Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

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  • #401
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article253760443.html

AUGUST 27, 2021 05:00 AM
I was hooked to a ventilator, fighting for life. Talk to me about ‘personal freedom’

For a certain subset of the population, everything related to COVID is tyranny now. Mask orders are tyranny. Vaccination requirements are tyranny. Contact tracing is tyranny. Which is odd, because all of these strategies have been used to prevent other diseases going all the way back to the Spanish flu.

But COVID is politicized, so now we have an environment in which public health is pitted against “freedom.” That ignores two hard truths: Personal liberty with no sense of civic responsibility is just selfishness, and no one has much freedom in an intensive care unit, regardless of what the government is or isn’t doing.
Yup, you don't want to lose your personal freedom to stupid Covid. That would be a really stupid thing to do. Why I got my vaccine and wear mask indoors and outdoors.

To unvaxxed/maskless: It's Covid, not the government that aims to take your freedom away. Don't let it!
 
  • #402
Rev. Jesse Jackson Moved to Rehab, Wife Transferred to ICU After Contracting COVID-19
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Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr., was transferred to a rehabilitation facility, and his wife, Jacqueline, was moved to the intensive care unit at Chicago's Northwestern Memorial Hospital as both continue to battle COVID-19, according to a statement issued by family Friday afternoon.

As the civil rights leader's "COVID-19 symptoms abate," he was moved to the Shirley Ryan AbilityLab to begin intensive occupational and physical therapy for his Parkinson's disease, the couple's son Jonathan Jackson said.

Jacqueline Jackson, 77, is breathing on her own and receiving increased oxygen in the ICU, but is not on a ventilator. Jacqueline Jackson has not been vaccinated, according to longtime family spokesman Frank Watkins. He declined to elaborate.
 
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US
One day (8/27/21)
US 190,370 Cases, 1,304 Deaths

Australia
18 months
48,816 Cases, 991 Deaths

Yeah, the US' population is larger but still...

COVID Live Update: 216,227,881 Cases and 4,499,271 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer
Future generations should refer to Australia’s protocols as a shining example of what to do in a pandemic. MOO. I can only hope that the division in my own country will be a good discussion of sociology for the history books.
 
  • #405
AstraZeneca vaccine is the best at keeping people out of hospital with just 1.52 per cent admitted | Daily Mail Online


AstraZeneca's Covid vaccine is best at keeping people out of hospital and preventing deaths from the virus, a study has found.

Just 1.52 per cent of people who got the Oxford-made vaccine were admitted to wards after they caught the virus.

And only 0.03 per cent, or one in 3,000, died from the disease.

For comparison, 1.99 per cent of those who got Pfizer were hospitalised with the virus, and 0.15 per cent died.

The AstraZeneca vaccine has formed the backbone of Britain's vaccine roll out, with 25million people having already received the jab.

But an alternative to the jab was recommended for under-40s in May, amid concern over a vanishingly rare blood clot. More than 21million have got the Pfizer vaccine.
 
  • #406
Future generations should refer to Australia’s protocols as a shining example of what to do in a pandemic. MOO. I can only hope that the division in my own country will be a good discussion of sociology for the history books.

I posted an article a little while ago that stated there are really only two ways through this pandemic.

Leaders can choose the economy.
Or leaders can choose public health.

We (and some others) chose the latter. Which has, so far, given us fairly good results all the way round.
Of course, now we have to tackle how to open up safely - if there is such a thing.
I imagine it is going to involve a zillion precautions.
 
  • #407
Well, I’ve had Covid AND spent six days in the hospital on O2 at age 75 in February. I was given every drug Trump got and I’m fortunate to be here. Is that really the way I’d want to get natural immunity to Covid? What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger? Seriously folks? Was that true of smallpox and polio? And what about those who end up with “long Covid” or die of Covid in their 30s and 40s with no chance to get “longer lasting and stronger protection”?

I’m not crazy, and if the study is correct that my “natural immunity” is stronger than offered by the vaccine, I’m not willing to gamble my health and what’s left of my life on having had Covid and hoping my immunity holds up. I got my two jabs in May and I will get a booster when offered. And I don’t just care about my own health. I care about others with whom I may come in contact. And I care about not becoming a human petri dish creating the next and worse variant.

Vaccinations have saved my generation from death and serious illness since childhood. Some of you younger ones might not be here if your parents had not been vaccinated as children. But now there are children losing parents who refuse the vaccines against Covid. One of the men who died in my county this month was 49 with two kids, unvaxxed. Every day someone in my county dies in their 40s of Covid, probably a parent. So much for freeeeeeeeedom. :mad: Those poor kids. :(

ETA: Yes, I realize the Israeli study recommends one shot for those who have had Covid because the natural immunity is so great. But in my community, one of the worst Covid counties in the country right now, people are arguing against getting any vax at all because they are confident in their immune systems (without having even had Covid). So most of my post is through that lens, not just referring to the Israeli study.

I do not believe that "natural immunity" is stronger: I just saw another physician state that the immunity from the vaccine is much better and stronger than that from contracting the virus. Besides all that, it is foolhardy to think oh yeah, if I get the virus I will have natural immunity so who cares if in fact I get the virus cause that will help my immunity- that is truly absurd thinking.
 
  • #408
Mask debate moves from school boards to courtrooms (clickondetroit.com)

WASHINGTON – The rancorous debate over whether returning students should wear masks in the classroom has moved from school boards to courtrooms.

In at least 14 states, lawsuits have been filed either for or against masks in schools. In some cases, normally rule-enforcing school administrators are finding themselves fighting state leaders in the name of keeping kids safe.

Legal experts say that while state laws normally trump local control, legal arguments from mask proponents have a good chance of coming out on top. But amid protests and even violence over masks around the United States, the court battle is just beginning.

Mask rules in public schools vary widely. Some states require them; others ban mandates. Many more leave it up to individual districts...
 
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I do not believe that "natural immunity" is stronger: I just saw another physician state that the immunity from the vaccine is much better and stronger than that from contracting the virus. Besides all that, it is foolhardy to think oh yeah, if I get the virus I will have natural immunity so who cares if in fact I get the virus cause that will help my immunity- that is truly absurd thinking.

I think their study is perhaps being misrepresented a bit, by some MSM. Here is some of what a science publication says.

What actually was observed was that out of 60,000 vaccinated people, only 238 became infected with Delta.

"that’s just 0.039% recorded infections, which shows that vaccines were incredibly (99.96%) effective at preventing infection en masse despite the spread of the highly infectious Delta."

"Secondly, there were only eight hospitalizations due to COVID-19 among the vaccinated group"

Also .... "the price you have to pay for such a natural immunity is high. Those who become sick with COVID-19 risk developing symptoms for months .. In the worst case, a person sick with COVID-19 can die."

Natural immunity from COVID infection is stronger than vaccine immunity, massive study in Israel finds
 
  • #411
I think their study is perhaps being misrepresented a bit, by some MSM. Here is some of what a science publication says.

What actually was observed was that out of 60,000 vaccinated people, only 238 became infected with Delta.

"that’s just 0.039% recorded infections, which shows that vaccines were incredibly (99.96%) effective at preventing infection en masse despite the spread of the highly infectious Delta."

"Secondly, there were only eight hospitalizations due to COVID-19 among the vaccinated group"

Also .... "the price you have to pay for such a natural immunity is high. Those who become sick with COVID-19 risk developing symptoms for months .. In the worst case, a person sick with COVID-19 can die."

Natural immunity from COVID infection is stronger than vaccine immunity, massive study in Israel finds

So here is a study from May that states the jab confers stronger immunity. It is way too confusing for me.

Immune Response From mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Is More Robust Than Natural Infection
 
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It would be good news if natural immunity led to strong protection against future infections, considering how many people have already been infected in the US, but I don't believe that to be the case. Many previous studies contradict this one study.
 
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Eight-year-old Bobby Campbell wanted more than anything to go back to school in person this year. But he’s acutely aware of the importance of masks in reducing COVID’s spread, as his second grade science project last year showed.

“He doesn’t understand why it isn’t happening at schools,” his mother Carmen Campbell, a physician in Plano, Texas, says.

Twenty minutes away from Bobby, in Garland, Texas, Kimi Hudgins Gray is terrified that her 15-year-old son, who is attending a special career school program in person, could infect his 6-year-old sister. She has a rare inherited disease that could make COVID deadly to her.

“Today alone I have cried five times because my child deserves a safe and free public education just like any other child,” Gray says. “It just shows me that nobody truly cares about her life.”

Both Gray and her best friend Britany Quick, who has children too young to be vaccinated and a husband and grandmother who have medical conditions that make them more vulnerable to COVID-19, are participating in a case filed by the Southern Center for Child Advocacy against (Governor Greg) Abbott.

The slew of lawsuits began in Arkansas, where Governor Asa Hutchinson has said he regrets signing the anti-mask legislation into law. Now at least five states are facing lawsuits.

“It makes me question my own sanity,” Hawthorne says. “It seems incredibly surreal to me that I'm fighting my own governor to try to take care of the health and safety of my community, of all of us.”

Gray, the mother whose daughter has a rare disease, takes it even more personally.
“Abbott is signing our kids’ death certificates, kids like mine,” Gray says. “He's banning a simple piece of cloth that could protect thousands of kids’ lives and the lives of their families.”

As kids head back to school, battles over masks are pitting parents against governors
 
  • #415
(google tells me this is a small school district with 3570 students total. Southern Minnesota)
COVID-19 outbreak in Albert Lea schools leads to mask mandate
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Albert Lea Area Schools had 36 cases of COVID-19 and 290 students in quarantine just five days after classes started on Aug. 19, far outpacing infections at the start of the last school year.

The district did not have a mask requirement, but one will start on Monday in grades six-12, where most of the cases originated.

"I just had no idea that it was going to take off like it did so fast," Superintendent Mike Funk said. "That was a surprise." o_O
 
  • #416
Covid: Vaccine complications dwarfed by virus risks
Mask debate moves from school boards to courtrooms (clickondetroit.com)

WASHINGTON – The rancorous debate over whether returning students should wear masks in the classroom has moved from school boards to courtrooms.

In at least 14 states, lawsuits have been filed either for or against masks in schools. In some cases, normally rule-enforcing school administrators are finding themselves fighting state leaders in the name of keeping kids safe.

Legal experts say that while state laws normally trump local control, legal arguments from mask proponents have a good chance of coming out on top. But amid protests and even violence over masks around the United States, the court battle is just beginning.

Mask rules in public schools vary widely. Some states require them; others ban mandates. Many more leave it up to individual districts...


What a dreadful waste of energy, time and money. Is there no Public Health authority that simply mandates the best practices? Why is it even an argument?

Sometimes I think we are living in the dark ages.
 
  • #417
(google tells me this is a small school district with 3570 students total. Southern Minnesota)
COVID-19 outbreak in Albert Lea schools leads to mask mandate
More at link
Albert Lea Area Schools had 36 cases of COVID-19 and 290 students in quarantine just five days after classes started on Aug. 19, far outpacing infections at the start of the last school year.

The district did not have a mask requirement, but one will start on Monday in grades six-12, where most of the cases originated.

"I just had no idea that it was going to take off like it did so fast," Superintendent Mike Funk said. "That was a surprise." o_O

I hope that Mike Funk isn't the person making the Public Health decisions. Yikes.
 
  • #418
Well, I’ve had Covid AND spent six days in the hospital on O2 at age 75 in February. I was given every drug Trump got and I’m fortunate to be here. Is that really the way I’d want to get natural immunity to Covid? What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger? Seriously folks? Was that true of smallpox and polio? And what about those who end up with “long Covid” or die of Covid in their 30s and 40s with no chance to get “longer lasting and stronger protection”?

I’m not crazy, and if the study is correct that my “natural immunity” is stronger than offered by the vaccine, I’m not willing to gamble my health and what’s left of my life on having had Covid and hoping my immunity holds up. I got my two jabs in May and I will get a booster when offered. And I don’t just care about my own health. I care about others with whom I may come in contact. And I care about not becoming a human petri dish creating the next and worse variant.

Vaccinations have saved my generation from death and serious illness since childhood. Some of you younger ones might not be here if your parents had not been vaccinated as children. But now there are children losing parents who refuse the vaccines against Covid. One of the men who died in my county this month was 49 with two kids, unvaxxed. Every day someone in my county dies in their 40s of Covid, probably a parent. So much for freeeeeeeeedom. :mad: Those poor kids. :(

ETA: Yes, I realize the Israeli study recommends one shot for those who have had Covid because the natural immunity is so great. But in my community, one of the worst Covid counties in the country right now, people are arguing against getting any vax at all because they are confident in their immune systems (without having even had Covid). So most of my post is through that lens, not just referring to the Israeli study.

Love this Lilibet.........

We ARE being killed by our own here...
 
  • #419
Preparations for Hurricane Ida are being complicated by Louisiana's huge Covid wave, with Gov. Edwards warning that patient evacuations "are just not possible" because "the hospitals don't have room." https://nytimes.com/live/2021/08/27/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine/covid-surge-complicates-preparations-in-louisiana-for-hurricane-ida

I live in Florida, I know Covid. I live in Florida, I know hurricanes.

But I am buckling at the knees thinking about what Lousianians are going through right now.....
 
  • #420
Future generations should refer to Australia’s protocols as a shining example of what to do in a pandemic. MOO. I can only hope that the division in my own country will be a good discussion of sociology for the history books.

i say this all the time....... "When History looks back'''
But I now am feeling we are letting the crazies win actually, because we don't know how to stand up to fake "freedoms" and fake "rights".

Many of us will be gone when HIstory might recorrect... to become humane again.
 
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