Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

[Lilibet]

I think you're correct. There is no chance of swaying certain people to put masks on their kids for school at this point, and the protesting and complaining about that is only steeling their resolve. Imo, pro-mask people should do what they believe will best protect their concerns -- whether that's their kids wearing masks in school; home-schooling; private schooling at schools that require masks; segregating school-age children from vulnerable adults in their own families...whatever.

Pro mask and pro vax people are definitely doing what they can to protect themselves and their families! But I hope where masks are mandated in schools that those who protest and complain about it will keep their kids home or send them to private schools where they don’t have to wear masks. If they don’t want to comply, they should be willing to pay the cost.

Those who won’t vax or mask where mandated seem to feel that those of us who are “frightened sheep” should just stay home so they can be freeeeeee!
JMO

 

[ringbearer]

Maybe certain people who refuse to mask their kids should be the ones keeping those kids at home.

There's certainly a difference of opinion.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I think those who are refusing to take recommended public health steps should be the ones quarantining their children, homeschooling them or seeking private schools.

It's not fair to expect the admin, staff and students to accept the risk of endangering their lives or long term health due to willful plague spreaders who flout the safety protocols in the name of 'freedom'. Yes, that's a deliberately charged term, but MOO that's exactly what they are.

 

[ringbearer]

Pro mask and pro vax people are definitely doing what they can to protect themselves and their families! But I hope where masks are mandated in schools that those who protest and complain about it will keep their kids home or send them to private schools where they don’t have to wear masks. If they don’t want to comply, they should be willing to pay the cost.

Those who won’t vax or mask where mandated seem to feel that those of us who are “frightened sheep” should just stay home so they can be freeeeeee!
JMO

I think people have no choice but to comply with mask mandates are complying if they have no other choice. But that's definitely what they're protesting. As they are certainly free to do.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Well they can protest from their homes, rather than spread the virus to the rest of the rule abiding public who at least are trying to be civic minded and protect everyone. I'm sorry but public health (especially when it comes to children) has to come first. Vaccinations have been required at many schools for decades. It's not a new concept.

 

[ringbearer]

Well they can protest from their homes, rather than spread the virus to the rest of the rule abiding public who at least are trying to be civic minded and protect everyone. I'm sorry but public health (especially when it comes to children) has to come first. Vaccinations have been required at many schools for decades. It's not a new concept.

Americans can actually protest from wherever they like so long as there is no Constitutionally valid mask mandate in place. Where I am, there is not.

And it's beyond dispute that healthy kids aren't at any remotely significant risk at all of becoming seriously ill from or dying from Covid.

From the American Academy of Pediatrics:

Hospitalizations (23 states and NYC reported)*

• Among states reporting, children ranged from 1.6%-3.6%of their total cumulated hospitalizations, and 0.2%-1.9% of all their child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization

Mortality (44 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)*

• Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.22% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 7 states reported zero child deaths
• In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...hildren-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

 

[nightowl1975]

Maybe certain people who refuse to mask their kids should be the ones keeping those kids at home.

Do you have suggestions on how to convince anti-mask mandate governors to require this? Because I don’t. So while it may be true that some believe that those who don’t want to wear masks or have their kids wear masks should be the ones to homeschool or stay home or whatever… I’m right back at the beginning. There’s no way for me to effectively force someone else to do what I think then should when it comes to masks. So I’m not going to waste my time or energy or effort trying to force something with zero chance of success. Others may willingly and happily take up the cause, whatever side they may be on, but I don’t have the time or patience for it personally. I do what I feel is necessary to protect myself and my family.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

COVID-19 is one of the top 10 causes of death in children in 2020

Child Covid-19 hospitalizations soar

While statistically the numbers are low compared to the adult population, tell that to the parents who have to watch their child suffer and struggle to breathe (and potentially die). From something that is preventable while following basic health measures. That's where the frustration and anguish comes from.

Who wants to play the odds that it won't be their child who gets sick or potentially develops long term complications or passes it on to a more vulnerable person in their family? Can you imagine how they'd feel if they infected someone who didn't recover?

I do think it's partly a cultural thing. There are plenty of countries around the world where children seem to have no problem wearing masks to school. They understand the importance of keeping themselves and their classmates and teachers as safe as possible.

 

[jjenny]

Healthy children with covid can spread it to other people who aren't at zero risk of dying from covid.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

From that link posted upthread:

• 4,593,721 total child COVID-19 cases reported, and children represented 14.6% (4,593,721/31,506,988) of all cases
• Overall rate: 6,103 cases per 100,000 children in the population

 

[ringbearer]

COVID-19 is one of the top 10 causes of death in children in 2020

Child Covid-19 hospitalizations soar

While statistically the numbers are low compared to the adult population, tell that to the parents who have to watch their child suffer and struggle to breathe (and potentially die). From something that is preventable while following basic health measures. That's where the frustration and anguish comes from.

Who wants to play the odds that it won't be their child who gets sick or potentially develops long term complications or passes it on to a more vulnerable person in their family? Can you imagine how they'd feel if they infected someone who didn't recover?

I do think it's partly a cultural thing. There are plenty of countries around the world where children seem to have no problem wearing masks to school. They understand the importance of keeping themselves and their classmates and teachers as safe as possible.

1/4 of 1% of CASES (not 1/4 of 1% of children) result in death per NPR this month:

The good news is that severe illness and death are still uncommon for children who contract the virus. In states reporting, children accounted for fewer than one-quarter of 1% of all COVID-19 deaths. Seven states reported no child deaths, while other states reported 0-0.03% of all child coronavirus cases resulting in death. As of July 29, a total of 358 children have reportedly been killed by COVID-19 in the U.S.

Serious Cases Remain Rare, But Coronavirus Infections In Children Are On The Rise

 

[ringbearer]

Healthy children with covid can spread it to other people who aren't at zero risk of dying from covid.

Maybe. And in that case anyone who feels vulnerable should take precautions rather than impose significant restrictions on children who have no say in the matter, imo.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

JMO, if the parents don't want to comply with public ordinances and mandates, they can take themselves out of the equation. They are the ones forcing the issue.

 

[musicaljoke]

Maybe. And in that case anyone who feels vulnerable should take precautions rather than impose significant restrictions on children who have no say in the matter, imo.

Except that it's a public health pandemic that we are discussing. All people everywhere need to follow the best protocols in order to bring it to an end.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Typhoid Mary wasn't allowed a choice to go on infecting people and neither should she have been.

I feel those people who have no concern for the health and well being of those they come into contact with, should be the ones who stay away from others, and if they have children they should make other arrangements, private teaching or whatever.

 

[ringbearer]

JMO, if the parents don't want to comply with public ordinances and mandates, they can take themselves out of the equation. They are the ones forcing the issue.

In the US, a "mandate" from a School Board, city or county, is an entirely different thing than a mandate from a State or Federal gov't -- especially when it comes to constitutional rights. I can see how people outside the US don't have an understanding of that, but it makes a huge difference and is a large part of the reason for the schism in the US on this issue. Everything any local political body does MUST be constitutional.

 

[Lilibet]

I think people have no choice but to comply with mask mandates are complying if they have no other choice. But that's definitely what they're protesting. As they are certainly free to do.

Well, they aren’t complying in my area of Southern Oregon and are loudly saying they won’t comply on FB. That isn’t protest. That’s defiance that endangers public health. The sheriff won’t enforce the Governor’s mandates, so they are emboldened to do what they want. That leaves the rest of us sequestered in our homes doing our best to protect ourselves from those who only care about their personal freedom and who scornfully view the rest of us as sheeple. Meanwhile, we are one of the worst places in the country…because of these people. It’s extremely depressing and distressing.
JMO

 

[ringbearer]

Well, they aren’t complying in my area of Southern Oregon and are loudly saying they won’t comply on FB. That isn’t protest. That’s defiance that endangers public health. The sheriff won’t enforce the Governor’s mandates, so they are emboldened to do what they want. That leaves the rest of us sequestered in our homes doing our best to protect ourselves from those who only care about their personal freedom and who scornfully view the rest of us as sheeple. Meanwhile, we are one of the worst places in the country…because of these people. It’s extremely depressing and distressing.
JMO

I was talking about compliance in the schools. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

 

[Lilibet]

I was talking about compliance in the schools. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Thats OK. I didn’t make it clear initially that that these mandates are statewide, from the Governor, not just local school boards or county commissioners. Communication isn’t always easy.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

COVID-19 testing clinic set on fire in Sydney's west

A COVID-19 testing clinic in Sydney's west has been badly damaged by fire overnight in a suspected deliberate arson attack.

The clinic, located on Forrester Road, North St Mary's, was "well alight" when officers responded to calls just before 11pm last night

Following a search of the surrounding the area, anti-COVID and anti-government sentiment was also found graffitied on a separate building.