Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

[nightowl1975]

JMO, if the parents don't want to comply with public ordinances and mandates, they can take themselves out of the equation. They are the ones forcing the issue.

We do not have mask mandates in my state. At all. So, I’m not sure what the solution is for people here who feel this way.

Should those who DO want masks be the ones expected to isolate themselves since we don’t have a mask mandate? Because here, your argument that those who don’t want to follow public ordinances and mandates should be the ones who isolate would mean those who DO want masks should be the ones isolating.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It would seem to be a no-brainer.

Except that it's a public health pandemic that we are discussing. All people everywhere need to follow the best protocols in order to bring it to an end.

 

[Lilibet]

We do not have mask mandates in my state. At all. So, I’m not sure what the solution is for people here who feel this way.

Should those who DO want masks be the ones expected to isolate themselves since we don’t have a mask mandate? Because here, your argument that those who don’t want to follow public ordinances and mandates should be the ones who isolate would mean those who DO want masks should be the ones isolating.

Personally, if there aren’t mandates, IMO it would be up to those who want masks to take themselves out of the equation and provide for their own and their children’s’ safety. Or if mandates aren’t enforced, we have to take personal responsibility. Some may file lawsuits, but we don’t have the energy for that, so we are on our own either way. The fact that it’s so different in each state makes it hard to know what we’re each talking about!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In the US, a "mandate" from a School Board, city or county, is an entirely different thing than a mandate from a State or Federal gov't -- especially when it comes to constitutional rights. I can see how people outside the US don't have an understanding of that, but it makes a huge difference and is a large part of the reason for the schism in the US on this issue. Everything any local political body does MUST be constitutional.

And the courts are allowing school districts to mandate masks over and over again. Look, if it's "unconstitutional" for a school district to mandate masks for public health purposes, then it's unconstitutional for them to send a girl home because her bra strap is showing.

You can't have it one way to protect these poor defenseless boys from thinking bad thoughts, yet be ok with exposing kids to an actual medical threat.

SMH. Unconstitutional...pfft.

edited to remove duplicate post

 

[SouthAussie]

New Covid hospital admissions for kids have reached their highest levels since the U.S. started tracking pediatric cases about a year ago, peaking at an average of 303 new admissions per day over the week ended Aug. 22

Some 4,404 children have gotten a rare, but serious, inflammatory syndrome caused by Covid known as MIS-C; 37 have died from it

in Jacksonville, Florida, 15 children were hospitalized with Covid, with six in the ICU on Monday

“We are not only preparing for acutely ill children but also MIS-C"

“We only have maybe six or eight weeks of data on delta and so this picture is going to continue to evolve over time”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/ped...n-record-in-us-as-doctors-brace-for-more.html

 

[KALI]

I have tried and tried to no success to convince my Very Smart 40 year old daughter to get a vaccine.
Yesterday after my plea, she sent me two Instagram videos about people discussing
Why it's not necessary to get the vaccine. Instagram videos! FGS sake.
Yes, she's healthy. Although it seems to me that this delta variant doesn't care about that.
She keeps telling me, "I'll be fine Mom".
She is smart, successful and busy (no children).
I try hard not to worry...

 

[ringbearer]

And the courts are allowing school districts to mandate masks over and over again. Look, if it's "unconstitutional" for a school district to mandate masks for public health purposes, then it's unconstitutional for them to send a girl home because her bra strap is showing.

You can't have it one way to protect these poor defenseless boys from thinking bad thoughts, yet be ok with exposing kids to an actual medical threat.

SMH. Unconstitutional...pfft.

edited to remove duplicate post

So if mandates are allowed over and over, complaining about protests taking the opposite position are pointless.

 

[ringbearer]

I have tried and tried to no success to convince my Very Smart 40 year old daughter to get a vaccine.
Yesterday after my plea, she sent me two Instagram videos about people discussing
Why it's not necessary to get the vaccine. Instagram videos! FGS sake.
Yes, she's healthy. Although it seems to me that this delta variant doesn't care about that.
She keeps telling me, "I'll be fine Mom".
She is smart, successful and busy (no children).
I try hard not to worry...

If you're worried for her, she's likely very correct. The death rate for her age is almost nil

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

 

[SouthAussie]

In the US, a "mandate" from a School Board, city or county, is an entirely different thing than a mandate from a State or Federal gov't -- especially when it comes to constitutional rights. I can see how people outside the US don't have an understanding of that, but it makes a huge difference and is a large part of the reason for the schism in the US on this issue. Everything any local political body does MUST be constitutional.

This is not a unique feature belonging to the US. And is understood.

NZ has a constitution that consists of specific legislation. (As do many other countries.)
Somehow we all manage to follow sensible public health advisements without too much fuss, when in a pandemic.

New Zealand's constitution is not found in one document. Instead, it has a number of sources, including crucial pieces of legislation, several legal documents, common law derived from court decisions as well as established constitutional practices known as conventions.
The Constitution Act 1986 is a key formal statement of New Zealand's system of government, in particular the executive, legislature and the judiciary.
New Zealand’s Constitution

The Australian Constitution – Parliament of Australia
Constitution of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
Constitution of Canada - Wikipedia.
The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa | South African Government.
Irish Statute Book

 

[155etta]

I have tried and tried to no success to convince my Very Smart 40 year old daughter to get a vaccine.
Yesterday after my plea, she sent me two Instagram videos about people discussing
Why it's not necessary to get the vaccine. Instagram videos! FGS sake.
Yes, she's healthy. Although it seems to me that this delta variant doesn't care about that.
She keeps telling me, "I'll be fine Mom".
She is smart, successful and busy (no children).
I try hard not to worry...

I'm so sorry. Kids can be hard. No matter their age. I'm so glad my son works with mrna and spike proteins all day and was beating the drum about us all getting the vaccine. (We didn't need any convincing.)

 

[nightowl1975]

This is not a unique feature belonging to the US. And is understood.

NZ has a constitution that consists of specific legislation. (As do many other countries.)
Somehow we all manage to follow sensible public health advisements without too much fuss, when in a pandemic.

Clearly the US is not like NZ or Australia in this regard. We are the “give me liberty or give me death” folks, after all.

21 months (give or take) into this pandemic, it’s almost amusing in a perplexing way that some seem to not grasp that the US is never going to handle this pandemic or respond to it like other countries. We just aren’t.

If the point of repeatedly perseverating on this is that the US is a bunch of idiots, ok. I get that thought process and can’t even say I necessarily disagree to an extent. But I’ll be honest, it’s amusing at this point that some still seem genuinely surprised or shocked by it. Or maybe there’s not any actual genuine surprise or shock and it’s just some who feel the need for whatever reason to continue pointing out the same thing for months on end.

 

[ringbearer]

This is not a unique feature belonging to the US. And is understood.

NZ has a constitution that consists of specific legislation. (As do many other countries.)
Somehow we all manage to follow sensible public health advisements without too much fuss, when in a pandemic.

New Zealand's constitution is not found in one document. Instead, it has a number of sources, including crucial pieces of legislation, several legal documents, common law derived from court decisions as well as established constitutional practices known as conventions.
The Constitution Act 1986 is a key formal statement of New Zealand's system of government, in particular the executive, legislature and the judiciary.
New Zealand’s Constitution

The Australian Constitution – Parliament of Australia
Constitution of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
Constitution of Canada - Wikipedia.
The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa | South African Government.
Irish Statute Book

The American Constitution is unique and not comparable to any other governing document in the world. It is based entirely on individual liberties and the consent to be governed by elected officials who are bound to implement the will of the citizens. Otherwise our whole country could potentially be on lockdown for a total of 26 deaths nationwide. Absurd, imo.

New Zealand: WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Those 26 deaths happened a while ago, by the way. And we are very proud of how low the personal cost has been. Other island nations aren't doing so well, such as Fiji.

We've been living mostly restriction free for the past year. But shorter, stricter lockdowns have helped us keep transmission from getting out of control and given us more freedoms in the long-term.

We're a team of 5 million and every life (and the quality of that life) is important to us. Civic responsibility is a thing here. We have a lot of social safety nets to provide for these kinds of emergencies. It helps not have the financial burden of medical costs hanging over our heads, for example.

We actually locked down over 1 COVID case getting into the community. It was the right decision because we are now at over 400 cases - thanks to Delta being so virulent. We've seen how bad has gotten in other countries. We are doing what we can to prevent our medical health system buckling under the pressure of exponential cases, using science, common sense and compassion to guide us.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

If you're worried for her, she's likely very correct. The death rate for her age is almost nil

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Its not about the individual though. This is a global pandemic. KALI has shared previously how devastating the pandemic has been for her business. Vaccines are the route to global freedom, return to some kind of normal without people (such as my close relative) dying and other people (like me) ending up with long covid.

A 40 year old may not (or may) die from covid but absolutely they will spread it to others. And while this continues, the catering industry as an example struggles go on.

I personally am glad that unvaccinated people are having personal freedom restricted over here. Its a bizarre kind of irony.

All JMO.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I am going to cut my own hair again. I went to the salon during low covid period a couple of months back, and nobody wore masks. That was after cdc said vaccinated people didn't need to wear masks.
Our covid numbers have dramatically increased since then. So I am not going to salons until numbers improve.

I've been doing my own hair since March 2020. Our salon's were closed, reopened, closed again and reopened again. I really wanted to stay out of any unnecessary enclosed spaces.
I can now cut my hair (with layers and everything) color it and add highlights! I pat myself on the back every time I do it. It looks as good (if not better if I do say so myself lol). AND....it's so much cheaper! I'll continue to do my own hair from now on.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Why do we keep hearing this? Rhetorical question

Anti-’Covid tyranny’ campaigner in hospital with virus

In an update on his condition on Saturday, Jessica told the New York Times that her husband would be transferred to hospice at the hospital, and the family will share their final goodbyes.

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Caleb Wallace, an anti-Covid restrictions campaigner, is now in hospital with the virus

The Huff Post reported that in July 2020, Wallace organized "The Freedom Rally" protests opposing the "government being in control of our lives."

He is also touted as a founder of San Angelo Freedom Defenders and orchestrated a rally "to end COVID tyranny," according to San Angelo LIVE! and the Standard-Times.

In addition, as the Standard-Times reported, Wallace wrote a letter to the San Angelo Independent School District asking them to overturn their COVID-related guidelines.

Texas anti-mask ‘Freedom Defender’ Caleb Wallace dies at 30

 

[LaborDayRN]

I have tried and tried to no success to convince my Very Smart 40 year old daughter to get a vaccine.
Yesterday after my plea, she sent me two Instagram videos about people discussing
Why it's not necessary to get the vaccine. Instagram videos! FGS sake.
Yes, she's healthy. Although it seems to me that this delta variant doesn't care about that.
She keeps telling me, "I'll be fine Mom".
She is smart, successful and busy (no children).
I try hard not to worry...

Does she spend time around you and your husband? I know she feels like she won't get the virus or will survive it if she does (although there is surely no guarantee of that), but she must also consider the fact that she could spread the virus to others. You and your husband included. I hope she will reconsider.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Due to the Delta variant, there seems to have been a shift in who is being most affected by it, age-wise. A visually simplified graph diagram:

Total number of COVID-19 cases by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

Ages 18-29 are the largest group now.

I think we need to stop assuming that it only severely impacts the elderly or infirm.

 

[SouthAussie]

Clearly the US is not like NZ or Australia in this regard. We are the “give me liberty or give me death” folks, after all.

21 months (give or take) into this pandemic, it’s almost amusing in a perplexing way that some seem to not grasp that the US is never going to handle this pandemic or respond to it like other countries. We just aren’t.

If the point of repeatedly perseverating on this is that the US is a bunch of idiots, ok. I get that thought process and can’t even say I necessarily disagree to an extent. But I’ll be honest, it’s amusing at this point that some still seem genuinely surprised or shocked by it. Or maybe there’s not any actual genuine surprise or shock and it’s just some who feel the need for whatever reason to continue pointing out the same thing for months on end.

Please feel free to roll and scroll. A few of us here who, like me, have lived in the US for years, are quite supportive and understand the US members here who are upset about the toll on the children.

There is no shock or surprise, there is frustration at the lack of foresight.

 

[JayWill]

The American Constitution is unique and not comparable to any other governing document in the world. It is based entirely on individual liberties and the consent to be governed by elected officials who are bound to implement the will of the citizens. Otherwise our whole country could potentially be on lockdown for a total of 26 deaths nationwide. Absurd, imo.

New Zealand: WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data

Yeah? Are you familiar with the rest of the dozens of countries in the worlds constitutions to feel confident that your constitution is 'unique' and superior to others?