Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

[margarita25]

I'm only watching because my son will be visiting tonight. I don't even know who is playing!

Would be a great opportunity for a PSA to play during commercial break - just a non-scary, general reminder to wash hands and cover coughs during the flu and virus season (well, all the time).

jmo

Great idea about the PSA!!! That is brilliant! I wish it could happen!

I just looked it up. I didn't know either. San Francisco 49ers and the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday in Super Bowl in Miami

Ohhh, @Niner and @MassGuy .. hope your Niners win!

Omg this cracks me up! You guys can tell us everything there is to know about the CV but don’t know who is playing in the SB...ROTF!

I only tune into Super Bowl at half time. I might take a peek just to see when the crowd is panned if there are clusters of empty seats, masks, things of that nature. Have fun all of you who enjoy and celebrate.

“Might peek to see if there are empty seats masks, things of that nature”
oMg you guys are killing me!!! On the floor!! I have tears, I’m not kidding.

WE ARE BEYOND OBSESSED


ETA:

Wouldn’t that be something:

Websleuths Solves Coronavirus Global Crisis

 

[MajorHoople]

"The University of Tennessee announced all study abroad programs to China this semester are suspended due to the threat of Coronavirus.

School officials said no students have been infected, but the decision was made as a precaution.

There were 21 UT students who planned to study in China this semester. According to UT, one student was already in China. The student was not near Wuhan, where the outbreak began. School officials said the student will return to the U.S."

UT suspends study abroad program in China

 

[Bravo]

OMG that puppy bowl is a scream. I wasn't sure if I could handle anything to do with dogs after what we learned about dogs in China. That's the stuff that keeps me awake at night.

 

[Bravo]

I'm happy to hear that some quarantined folk are able to watch the Game. If anyone needs a diversion it's these folks. I hope they have lots of yummy snacks (Individual portions)

 

[Inthedetails]

WE ARE BEYOND OBSESSED


ETA:

Wouldn’t that be something:

Websleuths Solves Coronavirus Global Crisis

Snipped.

Here's my take: Virus jumped from animal to human at the live market. Animal handlers at the market got sick and spread it to customers, who are the grandmas doing food shopping for their families and prefer to shop the old-fashioned way at the live markets. Some were elderly with underlying conditions, married to men in the same boat. Virus spread rapidly in that older population, then within hospitals when sick people sought medical care.

The new virus was not immediately recognized and not much attention was paid at first since grandmas and grandpas do get sick and succumb to pneumonia - that is not particularly unusual until the numbers got too big to ignore. Then the numbers were hidden until too big to hide. By then, the virus was spreading beyond elderly live-market customers.

Big disclaimer: I don't know if the customers at the markets are indeed mostly the grandmas in the community. And I have no idea if they were particularly hit with the virus in the initial stages. That is my imagining of the situation, based on nothing but speculation and observations of immigrant community shopping habits I witness in my city.

jmo

 

[Amonet]

Okay, here's my question that's on my mind today....

What's up with the death rate with this virus? There are a large number of deaths in Hubei province, where the virus originated. The current reported deaths in Hubei is 294 (though the number is likely much higher).

However, in the entire rest of China, there are only 10 deaths to date. Zhejiang and Guangdong provinces each have reported over 600 cases each, but zero deaths.

While Hubei has about 60% of the virus cases within China, it has 98% of the reported deaths.

Just seems odd that other places are not experiencing a similar rate of death from the same virus. Any ideas about that? Just mismanagement within Hubei when the virus first struck??

jmo

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

Totally OT, but Happy Groundhogs Day to USA folks. Six more weeks of winter!

I would think it's because the cases in Hubei have mostly been from people with symptoms (or who were caught by temperature scanners) going to hospital for confirmation. So they've been testing mostly the 10% or so with the strongest symptoms.

Outside of Hubei there's probably been a lot more testing of contacts of cases who've tested positive, and many of the contacts who test positive are those who would have much lighter symptoms and not present to hospital for testing.

So that would suggest that the numbers outside of Hubei are far closer to the 'true' number of cases, but inside Hubei there's a much larger multiplier needed to get an idea of the 'true' number of cases.

This is what epidemiologists have been saying all along, that the 'true' number of cases in Hubei must be much higher than only those who are confirmed. But we don't know if that's five, ten, or twenty times more than the confirmed cases.

I am hoping that the extended holiday in Hubei has reduced the Ro rate so that soon they will be able to do more effective contact tracking and have those who are connected to a confirmed case self-isolate while everyone else starts to get back to their normal lives.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

OMG that puppy bowl is a scream. I wasn't sure if I could handle anything to do with dogs after what we learned about dogs in China. That's the stuff that keeps me awake at night.

Bravo, and others, I watched this last night. Jimmy Fallon had his own puppy superbowl last night. This was so heartwarming and fuzzy feel after being here with y'all all day iykwim. You will melllllllllllllllllllt watching!

 

[KALI]

Yay. Glad they gave in
to the push back.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says Australians who are airlifted from the Chinese city of Wuhan to Christmas Island will not be charged $1000, as was previously announced.

Mr Frydenberg said it was a mistake to say they would be charged.
Government backflips on $1000 fee for coronavirus evacuees

 

[Bravo]

Awww dixie that was just the best. Good to have something uplifting as we watch this latest nightmare.

 

[Hatfield]

Thanks magz. I have Canadian Cable and an American Dish. I will check it out.

Dont forget the Kitten Bowl too which became popular too a few years back after there was a feline protest

Found a link that may help find the online streaming for both Puppy Bowl and Kitten Bowls.

Ive watched both in years past and they are hysterical. Great action.

How to watch ‘Puppy Bowl’ and ‘Kitten Bowl’ 2020 online without cable

 

[Amonet]

The same thought has been on my mind as well, and I agree with @Inthedetails 2 assessments.
My main concern with the death rate is that it currently appears to be a slow, but steady progression. I’ll be keeping a close eye on the death to recovered ratio over the course of the next week as I believe it will be very telling as to which direction this is heading.

I am a bit frustrated about this. The first daily status reports from the WHO were giving a breakdown of cases by region/municipality within China, and that seems to have stopped on the 25th January? We need those figures to help us understand more about the difference in mortality rates between Hubei and other places.

I think the latest estimates for the total 'wild' cases in Hubei are something like 100,000 to 150,000 and increasing daily. But, we can't do mortality rates based on today's figures, we need to go back about 7 to 10 days and then use the multiplier to account for cases that are out there but not presenting for testing. But how can we do that without the daily figures being broken down as they were the first few days? Are the numbers out there somewhere? The BNO site is doing wonderful breakdown figures, but they get replaced each day, as do the figures on the Johns Hopkins map portal page. Someone will be keeping these figures somewhere online, it's just a case of finding them.

 

[Bravo]

Awesome. Thanks Hatfield ^

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I would think it's because the cases in Hubei have mostly been from people with symptoms (or who were caught by temperature scanners) going to hospital for confirmation. So they've been testing mostly the 10% or so with the strongest symptoms.

Outside of Hubei there's probably been a lot more testing of contacts of cases who've tested positive, and many of the contacts who test positive are those who would have much lighter symptoms and not present to hospital for testing.

So that would suggest that the numbers outside of Hubei are far closer to the 'true' number of cases, but inside Hubei there's a much larger multiplier needed to get an idea of the 'true' number of cases.

This is what epidemiologists have been saying all along, that the 'true' number of cases in Hubei must be much higher than only those who are confirmed. But we don't know if that's five, ten, or twenty times more than the confirmed cases.

I am hoping that the extended holiday in Hubei has reduced the Ro rate so that soon they will be able to do more effective contact tracking and have those who are connected to a confirmed case self-isolate while everyone else starts to get back to their normal lives.

You have stated so eloquently what I'm thinking, thanks!

It appears to be a very slow day for new news on this subject.

It's 3:00 am, middle of the night in Wuhan as they move into Monday am. As others have posted here and even MSM, it may be in Wuhan they have test shortages and are turning away folks from being tested.

MOO I think so. We'll see.

But I'm 100% behind the idea of using well known viral therapeutics to treat, so they can use approved dosages even though it's not against the disease it was approved for. Those companies can ramp up quickly once approved. The side effects/approved dosages for folks are already known and documented. MOO

I think this will be a fabulous step and #2 for WHO and the world as to health, and the world economies and will fast track immediately getting researched and shared among the countries of the world. The Shanhai stock market opens tomorrow morning their time, and about ? 7 pm eastern US time... we'll see impact of both in the coming days.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'm immuno compromised. I don't give a @#$% what ppl think of me in a mask.

Good for you! DH and I both donned masks for our recent flights to and from Fort Lauderdale. I also packed surgical gloves to wear on the ship if there had been an outbreak of Norovirus or some other airborne illness onboard. We both get annual flu shots and have completed Prevnar13 protocol, but I have asthma and can't risk a respiratory infection that could trigger an asthma episode that lasts for weeks. Two years ago, we both came down with nasty post-cruise cases of bronchitis that had us down for 10 days. I coughed for at least another 2-3 weeks Stay well!

 

[Bravo]

Cough and colds going around this year have been horrendous. Now this. I'm sure folks even in areas with small numbers panic at any sign of illness.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I also use rubber gloves in my house often for chores like giving my dog a bath, etc.

I have found those blue colored ones are much better than the typical white ones that have a light coating of powder. The blue ones go on real easily and they dont leave your hands with a powdery residue.

They really come in handy for all sorts of household chores like cleaning the tub and toilet and giving pets baths, etc.

ETA - Thats a great idea to use them when shopping with a shopping cart. Its really hard to wipe the handle down good and I always feel like Im getting more germs just trying to wipe the handle down. Just wearing disposable gloves when pushing a cart around would make it easy and probably be safer for germs on the handle.

I use them for gardening. Toss them after use. Better than washing typical gardening gloves and easier on my hands/nails.

 

[Inthedetails]

I am a bit frustrated about this. The first daily status reports from the WHO were giving a breakdown of cases by region/municipality within China, and that seems to have stopped on the 25th January? We need those figures to help us understand more about the difference in mortality rates between Hubei and other places.

Snipped and bolded by me

The site linked below has a list of each province in China, plus if you scroll down, you'll see the diagnosed cases listed as they are reported, from around the world including by Chinese province. There are provinces listed for today.

I like the site because it gathers info from other sites and consolidates it - plus provides a link to the source where the numbers came from.

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

 

[dotr]

Wondering how many people behind closed doors are ill or already deceased?
Thinking of those people who live alone and have limited contact with others, the elderly, the frail, the homeless, mentally ill ect.
Cannot even imagine the conditions for those in jail, do they even know about CV and if so, do they have access to water, masks ect?
Wondering if any prisoners have been approached to be guinea pigs (by choice or otherwise) for the purpose of drug/vaccine testing?
Not to be crude, but have sex workers closed shop, or have access to um... specially tailored face masks?
imo, speculation.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I use them for gardening. Toss them after use. Better than washing typical gardening gloves and easier on my hands/nails.

Lmao, I was just envisioning my rubber gardening gloves that have the scrapers on the end and wearing them into the grocery store and when I was out! They are for hand digging in pots and loose soil. I just had to go take a picture and share with y'all can you imagine me wearing them to prevent infection while out?

 

[beatrixpotter]

Nice! I'm glad to have found the Coronavirus thread! I'll be sure to follow for updates. Warning though: I'm a glass half full kind of person in this situation. I like to assume the worst in these situations and then be glad when inevitably nothing pans out. I read someone's description of being horrifically ill and totally picture myself going through the same. I have some of my own scary extenuating health problems and rare diagnosis though that are probably why I just assume I'll get sick and die and need to make sure my children are prepared for and taken care of. (I also over share)