Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

[Amonet]

This article is about the 'naming' of this novel Coronavirus, to give it a name, like SARS had, that's easier for the public than "2019-nCoV". The article explains some of the rules regarding the choice of the name, and some of the difficulties that have been caused by unwise choices in the past. It says the official name should be announced in a few days.

The coronavirus will finally get a proper name

 

[Amonet]

I remember when SARS was the big "bug", and it sort of fizzled to nothing. Maybe this will also fade away.

I hoped for that 2 weeks ago, but I don't think that's likely now. I think the main thing now will be restricting the spread until a vaccine can be developed and enough doses made to go around.

It's possible that the virus won't spread so easily in spring and summer--flu is normally a winter thing, so maybe this will be, too.

I am a bit concerned about the isolation procedures in China. It's a good thing for people to get out of the house and go for a walk in the park and get fresh air. Being cooped up in a small area with many people is not a good thing for the people in the house/apartment.

The video of the drone talking to the boy in Inner Mongolia amazed me as they have so few cases there, the boy was walking in an empty street, the man on the truck was out completely alone....I don't see any need to tell them to return indoors.

In Wuhan/Hubei, that sort of quarantine seems to make more sense. To shut down public transport and schools, etc, to try and prevent the spread. And with good ring measures that would be a good thing. However, in some cases what could be happening is that the whole family end up 'locked up' in a small apartment with one infected person and then the whole family comes down with it. I can't criticise that response in Wuhan/Hubei, as the numbers there are such that whatever they do, there will be spread.

But outside of Hubei, I think there is a bit of a warning there, to not have one sick person stuck in a small apartment in close quarters with four or five others, especially when the elderly grandparents live there too and are more vulnerable to developing a more serious infection.

I think that if possible, people should let their asymptomatic kids out to play ball games in the garden, have people who are asymptomatic go out for a walk in the park. Just limit close contact and those things should be fine. Obviously in a city like Wuhan with massive tower block apartment housing, that is more difficult. But in the less-populated areas, I think it could be preferable to not lock people indoors for weeks at a time, and that could help to limit spread between household members, as well as keeping spread limited between different households.

 

[Hatfield]

It's scary enough for anyone to be in one of those isolation rooms, and the medical staff only entering when they're fully suited up. But I feel so awful for a little boy his age to be in that situation

So true. Yesterday I viewed one of the articles that showed people on a bus where they were getting their temperature checked and it was very scary looking. The poor people on the bus had to face the "Inspector" who was totally covered in plastic with full face/head protection and they were checking each passenger on the bus for a fever with one of those thermometers that they point at the forehead.

Trying to envision putting myself in that situation and it is nothing short of being in a Horror Movie like "Contagion", except it was all too real and happening to them.

Its bad enough trying to handle that as an adult. But for children to go through that, it will scare the beegeezus out of them. Im sure they will be traumatized by all this as they become witnesses to their parents worries and fears and all the bad news. So sad and I hope steps can be taken to consider the children's emotional state in all this.

 

[scandinavian girl]

I came across Chinas ghost cities a while ago, empty newbuild complexes, it is a very weird and mysterious phenomenon. My suggestion is make use of them now.

'An incredible amount of waste': What China's eerie ghost cities say about its economy

 

[Medstudies]

I believe the bbm is a misunderstanding. Yes, viruses are killed by disinfectants (when used according to the directions and not simply wiped over like you would a normal cleaning spray) and there's no reason to suspect that this coronavirus is any different from any other coronavirus in that regard.

But you can't do the same when the virus is inside the body. Inside the body you're restricted to general antiviral treatments and treatment of the symptoms. And some of those symptoms are actually caused by the way that the immune system responds to the virus. Fever, for instance, isn't caused by a virus, it's caused by the body trying to respond to the virus.

no misunderstanding on my part. Perhaps I missed where scientists/WHO have unlocked everything about this virus and released it to MSM?

To be clear, I never said products won’t be helpful, but I’m not willing at this point to say they’re bulletproof.

Lysol, Clorox sprays and wipes say they fight human coronavirus? Why?
“These products can also be used for the current strain, as approved by the EPA's Emerging Pathogen Policy, which allows some manufacturers "to make limited claims" of their products' effectiveness "against emerging viral pathogens."...
“they may not necessarily be effective toward this new form of coronavirus, currently designated as 2019-nCoV, or 2019 novel (or new) coronavirus.“


Scientists warn there is NO evidence Dettol can kill the deadly Wuhan coronavirus | Daily Mail Online
“Although Dettol says its products rid some coronavirus strains, such as that which causes the common cold, they have not tested it against the lethal Wuhan strain yet.

This is because it was only discovered in late 2019. It has since caused a global outbreak, killing 213 people and infected almost 10,000 in at least 24 countries and territories around the world, including the UK and...”


And YMMV I’m gonna leave this stuff to you all...

 

[Amonet]

no misunderstanding on my part. Perhaps I missed where scientists/WHO have unlocked everything about this virus and released it to MSM?

To be clear, I never said products won’t be helpful, but I’m not willing at this point to say they’re bulletproof.

Lysol, Clorox sprays and wipes say they fight human coronavirus? Why?
“These products can also be used for the current strain, as approved by the EPA's Emerging Pathogen Policy, which allows some manufacturers "to make limited claims" of their products' effectiveness "against emerging viral pathogens."...
“they may not necessarily be effective toward this new form of coronavirus, currently designated as 2019-nCoV, or 2019 novel (or new) coronavirus.“


Scientists warn there is NO evidence Dettol can kill the deadly Wuhan coronavirus | Daily Mail Online
“Although Dettol says its products rid some coronavirus strains, such as that which causes the common cold, they have not tested it against the lethal Wuhan strain yet.

This is because it was only discovered in late 2019. It has since caused a global outbreak, killing 213 people and infected almost 10,000 in at least 24 countries and territories around the world, including the UK and...”


And YMMV I’m gonna leave this stuff to you all...

No, that's fair enough, those quotes are well-chosen good ones that contain important information. Please don't feel that way Everyone here is contributing well with articles and thoughts and questions, you included!

However, I believe 10what they're talking about is making 'official' claims that those particular branded products 'will' kill this particular virus. If a brand has not been specifically tested against this strain, then they would get into trouble if they tried to use it as a claim/selling point. IMO those headlines are partly about legal claims and semantics of making those claims as opposed to whether or not disinfectants should likely be effective against this particular coronavirus. My personal preference would be to assume that, properly used, they are probably as effective against this one as against the others that they are effective against, because this coronavirus would have a similar physical make-up to other coronaviruses (that might not be the case for other viruses or bacteria which have different physical make-ups).

But my understanding is that properly used disinfectants can be effective against coronaviruses (the family) and that being so, it is 'likely' to also be the case for this virus. So, if in doubt, use it as the instructions state, and it can be a generic and not branded, and it is probably better than not disinfecting when appropriate.

 

[Hatfield]

I think the problem with the sprays and disenfectants is the way they sometimes make claims for their products. And in some cases, they are right but it can be very misleading to people.

Awhile back unrelated to this outbreak virus, there was a big rigamaroo about products claiming they are "Anti-Bacterial". Well, they kind of are , but so is regular soap and just hot water for that matter. When you use soap and water, you are effectively reducing germs and that can be considered anti-bacterial.

So the misleading marketing is clever but we as consumers have to be careful. I think a lot of people assume that when they see things like "Anti-bacterial" they think as soon as they use the stuff it immediately kills germs on contact but the reality is not so black and white. Scrubbing and using the products are a good thing and can help reduce germs but I dont think most of them kill all germs on contact as some would be led to believe by their marketing.

As we see new products that start to claim they can kill this virus, then it gets more complex and we have to be careful what we are hearing about the products on their labels.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

A 37-year-old man has become the fourth person to be confirmed with coronavirus in Queensland, taking the Australian total number of cases to 14.

It comes after an eight year old boy from Wuhan travelling in Queensland was diagnosed with coronavirus on Tuesday.

The child was a member of the tour group travelling with a man, 44, and woman, 42, confirmed with coronavirus on 29 January and 30 January 2020.

Queensland’s chief health officer Dr Jeannette Young said: “The child remains in isolation at the Gold Coast University Hospital and is currently stable.”
Coronavirus cases at Adelaide auction

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I must have missed it, but it appears that two, not one, flights from Wuhan to the US. One is landing right now at Travis AFB (North of San Francisco) , and another to land soon at March AFB (previous place of evacuees)





Kalitta Air (K4) #373 ✈ 05-Feb-2020 ✈ WUH / ZHHH - KSUU ✈ FlightAware



Kalitta Air (K4) #375 ✈ 05-Feb-2020 ✈ WUH / ZHHH - KRIV ✈ FlightAware

ETA: Yep, I missed it Coronavirus outbreak: China evacuees to be quarantined at Travis Air Force Base

Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield is providing facilities to house up to 250 people evacuated from China as a precaution over coronavirus. Four military bases are on standby to house those who need to be screened for coronavirus. Travis is prepared to quarantine those who arrive from China for at least 14 days within the month of February. The evacuees will be repeatedly screened for coronavirus before they ever land at Travis Air Force Base. They will be quarantined at the Westwind Inn on the base itself according to the Pentagon with the CDC in charge of their care and security. Pentagon Spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman said, "They have individual bathrooms for Jack and Jill bathrooms so individuals can be quarantined."

ETA Looks like both flights are going to Travis AFB. Kalitta #375 just changed destination while I was looking at it. Glad I took screenshot or else I would have thought I have gone nuts.



One flight is headed to Miramar Marine Corps Air Station (San Diego Californai area) after it refuels at the base.

3 things to know about coronavirus evacuation flight to Travis AFB

Flight Carrying Americans from Wuhan, China Will Land at MCAS Miramar

The two flights, Kalitta Air flights 373 and 375, were contracted by the U.S. Government to bring U.S. citizens stuck in China amid the coronavirus outbreak back to the United States..... That plane will land at Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield to refuel and continue to MCAS Miramar, according to the U.S. Northern Command. Passengers will be subject to a 14-day quarantine at the base managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The final destination of the second plane has not been announced, but officials at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside confirmed to NBC News before Captain Gregory's announcement that the base wouldn't receive either flight. There are about 350 combined passengers on the two planes.

Two more flights with about 500 more passengers are expected to leave Wuhan by Thursday.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

494 Deaths, 965 recovered currently
DATE ---- Mainland ---- Outside Mainland China
2/4----23,700----212
2/3-----19,700----188
2/2-------17,200----183
2/1Fri -- 14,300 ---- 173
1/31 ---- 11,200 ---- 153
1/30 ---- 9,700 ---- 118
1/29 ---- 7,700 ---- 105
1/28 ---- 6,000 ---- 87
1/27 ---- 4,400 ---- 64
1/26 ---- 2,700 ---- 57
1/25Fri -- 2,000 ---- 40
1/24 ---- 916 ---- 25

Mainland up to 2-4


Outside of Mainland up to 2-4



Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

 

[Amonet]

Johns Hopkins senior scholar Dr. Amesh Adalja told CNBC on Tuesday that the new coronavirus will likely cause yearly outbreaks, with most of the cases being mild.

“It’s going to become a part of our seasonal respiratory virus family that causes disease,” Adalja said on “Squawk Box.”


However, he expects the current outbreak to turn into a mild pandemic and spread further in the United States. Currently, there’s only 11 confirmed U.S. cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Johns Hopkins doctor says new coronavirus is here to stay, expects 'seasonal' outbreaks

 

[Bravo]

Toronto father grateful that daughter 'shortlisted' for Canadian flight out of Wuhan

 

[JerseyGirl]

Tokyo Olympics organizers raise concerns about coronavirus impact

Tokyo Olympics organizers said they are increasingly concerned about the disruption the coronavirus is causing ahead of the games, which open in just under six months.

“I am seriously worried that the spread of the infectious disease could throw cold water on the momentum toward the games," Chief Executive Officer Toshiro Muto said. “I hope that it will be stamped out as soon as possible.”

Tokyo organizers have repeatedly said there are no plans to cancel the Olympics. That position has been repeated by the Switzerland-based International Olympic Committee.

But some Olympic qualifying events have already been cancelled or relocated because of the outbreak.

 

[JerseyGirl]

One man's lies leave thousands in quarantine, state media claims

A man who lied about returning from Wuhan amid the coronavirus outbreak has led to thousands of people being quarantined, China’s state CCTV reported Wednesday.

The man, who was only named as Zhang, came to a village in China’s Fujian province in late January from Wuhan. CCTV reported that he lied to the villagers and told them he returned from the Philippines.

He then attended a number of events in the community, including a 3,000-people folk-custom banquet and a wedding banquet attended by nearly 1,000 people.

Xinjing newspaper quoted a local official as saying more than 4,000 people are currently under medical observation as the result of the man’s actions.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bae50c-47d3-11ea-91ab-ce439aa5c7c1_story.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Things to consider in regard to planes: (moo , Jmo, etc)

DO DISINFECTING WIPES WORK? Not necessarily.

➤ Many people mistakenly believe that disinfectants work instantly on contact. Truth is, they don’t. They have to be used exactly as directed in order to work. The process of disinfecting means a surface must first be cleaned, then the wet disinfectant applied and allowed to sit for a “dwell time,” allowed to dry, and rinsed clean. Only then will the surface be very temporarily free of most germs.
➤ All disinfectants have “dwell” times. Many require minutes at a time to be effective. Read the product label and use exactly as directed. Simply wiping will not disinfect, yet this is how the product is almost always used. Read the directions on the Lysol and Clorox wipes’ labels.
➤ Also...

We know that this virus is resistant to treatment, so I’m not going to be overconfident that it will be killed with the use current disinfectants.

I want to see the data on it. They are telling us the virus can live on surfaces 5 days (but length time is variable).

In my imaginary world, they’d disinfect, but they’d also take the planes out of rotation for 5 days...

eta: bullets sourced fromhttp://www.healthyschools.org/data/files/Disinfecting_Wipes_Guide.pdf

and Clorox label

This is why I question if planes can truly be disinfected. The seats are cloth and I’m sure they aren’t getting shampooed prior to being sprayed with a disinfectant. Once again, my understanding of cleaning comes from what I learned about animal shelters. Many believe they can spray the kennels down with bleach and it’s disinfected. But it has to be scrubbed clean of body oils and dirt first. Otherwise the disinfectant just sits on top of the body oils and does not penetrate to the surface to disinfect (this is also why hand sanitizer is not as good as washing your hands).

Clorox wipes are handy but spray cleaners are probably more effective because you can spray a counter or faucets and let the liquid sit for awhile and kill germs. The moisture from the Clorox wipes probably dissipates too soon to truly disinfect.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Cathay Pacific asks 27,000 workers to take 3 weeks unpaid leave amid coronavirus crisis

.. CEO said the deadly outbreak has put the company in “just as grave” a situation as the financial crisis of a decade ago.

Cathay Pacific employees will have the option to take unpaid leave from March 1 to June 30.

The air carrier has cut 90 percent of its flights to mainland China amid the coronavirus outbreak.

Cathay Pacific is also asking suppliers to cut prices.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/05/catha...to-take-unpaid-leave-amid-coronavirus-crisis/

 

[margarita25]

Boy, eight, becomes the third person to be diagnosed with coronavirus in Queensland after travelling to Australia with a Chinese tour group

Boy, eight, becomes the third person to be diagnosed with coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

I really hope this young man recovers.

I’ve been meaning to ask, I wonder how many illnesses and deaths in China are children.

 

[JerseyGirl]

The two flights, [snipped] That plane will land at Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield to refuel and continue to MCAS Miramar, according to the U.S. Northern Command. Passengers will be subject to a 14-day quarantine at the base managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The final destination of the second plane has not been announced, but officials at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside confirmed to NBC News before Captain Gregory's announcement that the base wouldn't receive either flight. There are about 350 combined passengers on the two planes.

Two more flights with about 500 more passengers are expected to leave Wuhan by Thursday.

... two planes carrying the Americans from Wuhan arrived at Travis Air Force Base, southwest of Sacramento, California.

One of the planes will offload passengers at the base while the other will refuel and continue on to Miramar Marine Corps Air Station in San Diego.

The passengers will be subjected to a 14-day quarantine upon arrival.

Coronavirus updates: The latest news on the outbreak and the global response

 

[Tadpole12]

I hoped for that 2 weeks ago, but I don't think that's likely now. I think the main thing now will be restricting the spread until a vaccine can be developed and enough doses made to go around.

It's possible that the virus won't spread so easily in spring and summer--flu is normally a winter thing, so maybe this will be, too.

I am a bit concerned about the isolation procedures in China. It's a good thing for people to get out of the house and go for a walk in the park and get fresh air. Being cooped up in a small area with many people is not a good thing for the people in the house/apartment.

The video of the drone talking to the boy in Inner Mongolia amazed me as they have so few cases there, the boy was walking in an empty street, the man on the truck was out completely alone....I don't see any need to tell them to return indoors.

In Wuhan/Hubei, that sort of quarantine seems to make more sense. To shut down public transport and schools, etc, to try and prevent the spread. And with good ring measures that would be a good thing. However, in some cases what could be happening is that the whole family end up 'locked up' in a small apartment with one infected person and then the whole family comes down with it. I can't criticise that response in Wuhan/Hubei, as the numbers there are such that whatever they do, there will be spread.

But outside of Hubei, I think there is a bit of a warning there, to not have one sick person stuck in a small apartment in close quarters with four or five others, especially when the elderly grandparents live there too and are more vulnerable to developing a more serious infection.

I think that if possible, people should let their asymptomatic kids out to play ball games in the garden, have people who are asymptomatic go out for a walk in the park. Just limit close contact and those things should be fine. Obviously in a city like Wuhan with massive tower block apartment housing, that is more difficult. But in the less-populated areas, I think it could be preferable to not lock people indoors for weeks at a time, and that could help to limit spread between household members, as well as keeping spread limited between different households.

I’ve been meaning to ask, I wonder how many illnesses and deaths in China are children.

Heyya Amonet,
Perhaps it is ill advised to exit your home, for anything other than necessities and medical attention.

Chinese Gov't did not apptove of the high rise dwellers opening their windows, even to shout out into the street.



@ m Read in the Mirror, iirc that mothers infected with coronovirus have given birth to babies that tested negative.
How many babies are born per day?
Those babies don't stop coming.

ETA: see post #747
"Babies tested positive 30 hours after birth ..."