Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

[otto]

Is anyone paying attention to how often they touch the face/head? Is anyone trying to break the habit? I am.

 

[mickey2942]

So, it is either 563 people officially dead or 25,000 officially dead.

Hmmm....

 

[otto]

From the same article/link that I just posted:

“....care would be handled under special protocols specified by the CDC and will include isolation in special “negative pressure” rooms with special equipment that keeps the air inside from entering the rest of the hospital.

Because the virus travels for up to six feet inside large water droplets made airborne when an infected person coughs or sneezes, all medical personnel will wear gowns, gloves, facemasks or goggles and custom-fitted N95 masks to cover their mouths and noses when they enter patients’ rooms.

Overall, she said, caring for a patient with coronavirus is really not different than caring for a patient with the flu which spreads in the same way. These kinds of precautions, she said, are so common that their use requires no additional training.”​

Also:

“She said that potential corona cases are not a severe enough threat to require the use of a special isolation ward created at UC San Diego Medical Center in Hillcrest during the ebola outbreak scare of 2014.”​

Seems odd to me. People are in hazmat suits elsewhere!

That confirms that the virus is contagious within a 6 feet radius through cough and sneeze, even on an airplane. It might be that one person can infect 3-4 other people. Statistics are not yet available due to reporting from China.

I think it would be foolhardy for countries to send all their supplies to China to fight the original outbreak. The goal today is containment, not prevention.

 

[otto]

I think the WHO is afraid of announcing a pandemic because it could result in social disorder

 

[mickey2942]

I think the WHO is afraid of announcing a pandemic because it could result in social disorder

Well, I think that people who pay attention, already know that this is serious. My first clue, was the fact that anyone around these folks are in full hazmat suits. Not a face mask, or gloves. Full hazmat suits?

 

[MJPeony]

I’m really having a hard time getting my head around the fact hazmat suits are being used all over the world to fight this, and yet here in my neck of the woods (San Jose/San Francisco) they are confident the man kept his germs to himself by wearing a paper mask at the hospital

And it was the SECOND doctor’s office he’d been to! Why is it we were so woefully unprepared on JANUARY 28th?!

Hazmats suits everywhere else..... I’m befuddled.

 

[dotr]

Coronavirus news and live updates: Death toll soars past 560 - CNN
''Countries are taking emergency action to stop the coronavirus -- but these measures are also hitting shipping companies hard, and threaten to disrupt global supply chains.

China's role in shipping: About 80% of the world's goods trade by volume is carried by sea, and China is home to seven of the 10 busiest container ports.

These ports handle shipping for goods ranging from cars and machinery to clothes and other everyday items.

But with China keeping factories shut and workers at home, shipping companies are reducing the number of ships between China and the rest of the world.

What this means: Some vessels can't get into Chinese ports. Others are stuck in dock, waiting for workers to return to ports so that construction and repairs can be completed, experts say.

Other ships are idling in "floating quarantined zones," as countries like Australia and Singapore refuse to allow ships that have called at Chinese ports to enter until the crew has been declared virus-free.''

 

[mickey2942]

I’m really having a hard time getting my head around the fact hazmat suits are being used all over the world to fight this, and yet here in my neck of the woods (San Jose/San Francisco) they are confident the man kept his germs to himself by wearing a paper mask at the hospital

And it was the SECOND doctor’s office he’d been to! Why is it we were so woefully unprepared on JANUARY 28th?!

Hazmats suits everywhere else..... I’m befuddled.

I have some theories on this, because it is confusing that people seem to be so cavalier right now. Do they believe that the Coronavirus is fairly localized and won't move on?

It reminds me of an episode of "Designated Survivor", when only red birds were dying of bird flu. Because the strain of flu, was targeted.

 

[gregjrichards]

So, it is either 563 people officially dead or 25,000 officially dead.

Hmmm....

Would the Chinese government be able to keep a death toll like 25,000 a secret if it was true? That’s a massive number of people.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks for all the posts updating. My like button is wonky. Again.

 

[gregjrichards]

Coronavirus news and live updates: Death toll soars past 560 - CNN
''Countries are taking emergency action to stop the coronavirus -- but these measures are also hitting shipping companies hard, and threaten to disrupt global supply chains.

China's role in shipping: About 80% of the world's goods trade by volume is carried by sea, and China is home to seven of the 10 busiest container ports.

These ports handle shipping for goods ranging from cars and machinery to clothes and other everyday items.

But with China keeping factories shut and workers at home, shipping companies are reducing the number of ships between China and the rest of the world.

What this means: Some vessels can't get into Chinese ports. Others are stuck in dock, waiting for workers to return to ports so that construction and repairs can be completed, experts say.

Other ships are idling in "floating quarantined zones," as countries like Australia and Singapore refuse to allow ships that have called at Chinese ports to enter until the crew has been declared virus-free.''

It is going to potentially cause big problems to companies like Apple who have temporarily suspended iPhone production in China on the order of the Chinese government if the crisis goes on for months as it appears it may. Apple make iPhones in India too now but they are mostly made in China.

 

[mickey2942]

Would the Chinese government be able to keep a death toll like 25,000 a secret if it was true? That’s a massive number of people.

'We can't stop': Funeral worker says Wuhan cremating ‘at least 100’ bodies a day amid coronavirus outbreak

 

[otto]

Coronavirus news and live updates: Death toll soars past 560 - CNN

Other ships are idling in "floating quarantined zones," as countries like Australia and Singapore refuse to allow ships that have called at Chinese ports to enter until the crew has been declared virus-free.''

Sounds quite serious, but would you feel silly stocking a month of food at the grocery store?

 

[mickey2942]

Sounds quite serious, but would you feel silly stocking a month of food at the grocery store?

We probably have a month or more of food in our house, hazard of shopping at Costco.

 

[otto]

'We can't stop': Funeral worker says Wuhan cremating ‘at least 100’ bodies a day amid coronavirus outbreak

This doesn't make any sense in the context of reported deaths. 28,000 infected, 24 thousand possibles, 1217 cured, 560 dead. That's not a good score card yet. Recoveries have exceeded deaths, but if there are unreported deaths, the numbers make more sense.

Numbers are : infected, possibles, recovered, death.
Could the recovered versus death numbers be skewed?

If there are only 73 deaths in all of China, why are the crematoriums going 24/7? How long does it take to cremate a body?

73 bodies in all crematoriums across the country means overload on the country, or overload in a quarantined area?

The rest of the world is fighting to contain this virulent and sometimes deadly. virus.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Transcript and audiofilefor CDC Telebriefing: CDC Update on Novel Coronavirus
Press Briefing 12:15 pm Wednesday, February 5, 2020

• FDA signed the emergency use authorization or EUA for our diagnostic test. Today the test kits will start shipping to the over 100 US public health labs
• Initially 200 test kits will be distributed to US domestic laboratories and another 200 will be distributed to selected international laboratories. Each test kit can perform 700 to 800 patient samples.
  
• Additional test kits are being produced and will be made available for ordering in the future from the International Reagent Resource or IRR.
• Distribution of these tests will improve the global capacity to detect and respond to this new virus as well as greatly enhance our national capacity. Availability of this test is a starting place for greater commercial availability of diagnostic testing for ncov.
• The plan is for the planes to arrive at the following locations in three states, Travis Air Force Base in Sacramento, California, marine corps air station Miramar in San Diego, California, Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas and Eppley Airfield in Omaha, Nebraska.
• The measures we are taking may not catch every single returning traveler returning with Novel Coronavirus given the nature of this virus and how it is spreading but if we can catch the majority of them, that will slow the entry of this virus into the United States.
• Now is the time to act so that we can slow the introduction and impact of this virus in the US. The Federal Government and public health systems have been preparing for an outbreak like this for years. All of the pandemic planning that we have done for influenza is the foundation for our response to this virus. There are different outbreak stages and different interventions used for the various stages.
• This is the beginning of what could be a long response. Right now we’re aggressively intervening to contain introduction into the United States. If community spread in the US is established, we’ll implement broader measures to mitigate the impact of the virus on our communities.
• FDA announced that it had developed an eua review template to test and detect the novel coronavirus which outlines the data to be developed in a pre-EUA package which is available to developers upon request. As of February 5, 2020, today, FDA has sent the template to 35 diagnostic developers.
• we want to make sure that when those personal protective equipment, masks and especially masks but also gowns and gloves are being used, they are being used appropriately to keep our staff and health care workers safe, but not excessively. Because we may need to be preserving them for later when the risk is higher.
  
• whether the case fatality ratios are being delayed because they are actually getting sicker later. I can’t answer that concretely because I don’t think that we have the data, however we also should be cautious in interpreting the data about a severity of illness including fatality or death in china right now because we know that early on in the response their case definitions were likely to focus on patients who had pneumonia and the disease and we know from experience with many other outbreaks that it tends to be early on that patients who are — [ inaudible ] more likely to seek medical care and be diagnosed.
  
• I don’t think that we’ve seen that right now there is any sign that this has stopped. I think that it is premature to comment on whether it has slowed down. But we do believe that we have a window of opportunity now to prepare the united states in case that there is a broader spread of this outside china as well as a broader spread in the united states. And so as i said before, we’re preparing as if this is a pandemic. That is just good common sense public health. But of course i’m hoping that it is not.

Much more at link

 

[otto]

We probably have a month or more of food in our house, hazard of shopping at Costco.

It's similar to income. People should first save 3 months salary in case things go south. Be prepared for job layoff due to pandemic.

I always prepare, but as time goes on and nothing bad happens, I deplete the shelves.

 

[dotr]

'We can't stop': Funeral worker says Wuhan cremating ‘at least 100’ bodies a day amid coronavirus outbreak

Oddly, perhaps fortuitously, in 2015 China held a cremation contest.
Why did China hold a cremation competition?
31 December 2015
''Earlier this week the Chinese government hosted an unusual competition. More than 50 of the country's best battled it out to be crowned the country's top cremator.''
''What's it like being a cremation worker in China?
They spoke of the long hours and the difficulties of working all day in rooms that can reach up to 50 Celsius in temperature and managing 600 Celsius furnaces.

"Usually we have to work 10 to 12 hours in each shift. When there's a peak in our workload, we can get up to 250 to 260 bodies a day, we wouldn't know when we'd knock off," said Liu Yong who works in a Shanghai crematorium.

Cao Lianxing from Jiangsu said cremation workers needed to be highly skilled''

 

[otto]

As more people travel the wold seeking survival treatment that might not be available in China, are desperate people infecting the global community?

Some countries think they have the virus under control, others think it has yet to be contained, but the question of whether a cured person is still contagious has not been answered.

 

[otto]

Was the animal cull (dog) related to a fear that the virus spreads through mammals, meaning people needed to kill house pets to prevent the spread of disease n China?