Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

[Medstudies]

One of the videos translated the man telling the people that once they entered the quarantine building they were NOT allowed to leave. He made it sound like it was optional to enter. But I think it was filmed before they publicly made the decision to quarantine all who were sick.

Sure. But i think the intent of these facilities were twofold, confinement and testing.

When entering medical care it’s a medical right to have informed consent.

Chinese authorities - in MOO, failed to obtain this.

 

[margarita25]

From the last thread:

“Dylan Boles on Twitter
Chinese authorities are also spraying what appears to be a disinfectant in cities across central China.”

It is insane watching all this disinfectant being sprayed in these videos! (I’m not stating an opinion on the use of disinfectant, just saying they are spraying a lot of “what appears to be a disinfectant”. ) They’re using what appears to be similar apparatus to what we see used by exterminators when they spray for bugs, moo.

 

[Medstudies]

And on the subject of Chinese government secrecy, I’ll mention
Xinjiang
the government established re-education camps by rounding up ethnic muslins.

Coronavirus: China's Xinjiang camps are a neglected high-risk area and should be closed | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP


“Estimates from the UN and US sources suggest China has detained more than one million and possibly as many as three million Uyghurs and other indigenous peoples in internment camps, forced labour factories and other detention facilities. Uyghurs in the diaspora fear the actual number may be much higher, especially considering the number of Uyghur children who have been separated from their families and detained in state orphanages and kindergartens.

Reports of overcrowding, malnutrition, physical and sexual abuse, organ harvesting and other grave human rights abuses in the camps suggest the region could become a breeding ground for the coronavirus. But China doesn’t seem to be allocating adequate resources to screen, diagnose and treat potential victims in East Turkestan, and has instead focused nearly all resources to combat the virus in Wuhan. Left ignored, the region could face mass outbreaks and much higher mortality rates than reported in Wuhan.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

when I think about it...

He first encountered it in early December. If he were going to get sick and die, I would have expected him to have been a much earlier fatality. He, of all people, was one who would have been hyper aware, who would have followed strict universal precautions.

.... Yep, I think someone deliberately exposed him as an act of retribution . They killed him and spared the bullet. - just my opinion.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ang-doctor-who-sounded-coronavirus-alarm/amp/

“Investigators are launching a probe into the death of Li Wenliang, the Chinese doctor who sounded the alarm on the spread of coronavirus in Wuhan — as the global death toll from the illness rose to 638.”

In several interviews with Chinese media while he was hospitalized, Dr. Li described how he was infected by a female patient who saw him for glaucoma in the second week of January. She had developed a fever and a CT scan showed an unknown virus in her lung. Two of her family members were also sick.

“It was such an obvious case of human-to-human transmission,” Dr. Li said, adding that he reported it to hospital officials right away.

A few days later, Dr. Li started coughing and his temperature rose. He booked a room in a hotel, worried that his child and his pregnant wife would be infected. A CT scan confirmed his fear; he was infected and was hospitalized on Jan. 12, he wrote in a Weibo post last week. He wasn’t counted as a confirmed case until Feb. 1, he wrote, nearly three weeks after he first showed symptoms.

The hospital put him under quarantine. Around the same time, he learned that his parents and some colleagues were infected as well.

“I was thinking then why the official announcement was still saying there had been no transmission between humans and of medical staff,” he wrote in his Weibo post."

Chinese Doctor Who Issued Early Warning on Virus Dies

Reminds me of the 3 doctors treating in West Africa and the nurse from Texas that all got Ebola while treating patients. (all flown to and treated in Georgia successfully) CDC and WHO have said that priority for masks etc is for health care workers to be protected.

So sad when the health care workers get ill from helping others, in addition if they have they can certainly pass the infection on to their patients, their coworkers, their parents, their spouses and babies. I do hope his wife and baby will remain virus free.

 

[margarita25]

And on the subject of Chinese government secrecy, I’ll mention
Xinjiang
the government established re-education camps by rounding up ethnic muslins.

Coronavirus: China's Xinjiang camps are a neglected high-risk area and should be closed | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP


“Estimates from the UN and US sources suggest China has detained more than one million and possibly as many as three million Uyghurs and other indigenous peoples in internment camps, forced labour factories and other detention facilities. Uyghurs in the diaspora fear the actual number may be much higher, especially considering the number of Uyghur children who have been separated from their families and detained in state orphanages and kindergartens.

Reports of overcrowding, malnutrition, physical and sexual abuse, organ harvesting and other grave human rights abuses in the camps suggest the region could become a breeding ground for the coronavirus. But China doesn’t seem to be allocating adequate resources to screen, diagnose and treat potential victims in East Turkestan, and has instead focused nearly all resources to combat the virus in Wuhan. Left ignored, the region could face mass outbreaks and much higher mortality rates than reported in Wuhan.”

Great new avatar, @Medstudies
RIP indeed, Dr. Li Wenliang!

ETA:

And on the subject of Chinese government secrecy, I’ll mention
Xinjiang
the government established re-education camps by rounding up ethnic muslins.

Coronavirus: China's Xinjiang camps are a neglected high-risk area and should be closed | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP


“Estimates from the UN and US sources suggest China has detained more than one million and possibly as many as three million Uyghurs and other indigenous peoples in internment camps, forced labour factories and other detention facilities. Uyghurs in the diaspora fear the actual number may be much higher, especially considering the number of Uyghur children who have been separated from their families and detained in state orphanages and kindergartens.

Reports of overcrowding, malnutrition, physical and sexual abuse, organ harvesting and other grave human rights abuses in the camps suggest the region could become a breeding ground for the coronavirus. But China doesn’t seem to be allocating adequate resources to screen, diagnose and treat potential victims in East Turkestan, and has instead focused nearly all resources to combat the virus in Wuhan. Left ignored, the region could face mass outbreaks and much higher mortality rates than reported in Wuhan.”

I had never heard about these Muslim groups until the CV thread here and started reading more about it.

(ETA: “Organ harvesting”? )

 

[Medstudies]

In several interviews with Chinese media while he was hospitalized, Dr. Li described how he was infected by a female patient who saw him for glaucoma in the second week of January. She had developed a fever and a CT scan showed an unknown virus in her lung. Two of her family members were also sick.

“It was such an obvious case of human-to-human transmission,” Dr. Li said, adding that he reported it to hospital officials right away.

A few days later, Dr. Li started coughing and his temperature rose. He booked a room in a hotel, worried that his child and his pregnant wife would be infected. A CT scan confirmed his fear; he was infected and was hospitalized on Jan. 12, he wrote in a Weibo post last week. He wasn’t counted as a confirmed case until Feb. 1, he wrote, nearly three weeks after he first showed symptoms.

The hospital put him under quarantine. Around the same time, he learned that his parents and some colleagues were infected as well.

“I was thinking then why the official announcement was still saying there had been no transmission between humans and of medical staff,” he wrote in his Weibo post."

Chinese Doctor Who Issued Early Warning on Virus Dies

Reminds me of the 3 doctors treating in West Africa and the nurse from Texas that all got Ebola while treating patients. (all flown to and treated in Georgia successfully) CDC and WHO have said that priority for masks etc is for health care workers to be protected.

So sad when the health care workers get ill from helping others, in addition if they have they can certainly pass the infection on to their patients, their coworkers, their parents, their spouses and babies. I do hope his wife and baby will remain virus free.

Oh I believe he was being a good citizen while on his deathbed. After all, wife, child and baby on the way...

“A new coronavirus infection has been confirmed and its type is being identified. Inform all family and relatives to be on guard,” Li Wenliang typed into a chat group with his former medical school classmates on Dec. 30, according to Caixin, a Beijing-based media group. Soon, Li’s message would resonate much farther. As the spiraling crisis emerged, he came to be known as the whistleblower of a virus that ultimately took his life....

...And yet Li was not dissuaded. He shared his ordeal online and carried out interviews with journalists through text message, conveying a picture of incompetence and mishandling of the virus at the crucial, initial stage of the outbreak. His insistence on speaking out defied a political system that does not tolerate dissent.“

...One doctor in Li’s chat group said they had always known him to have good judgment, according to one local media outlet. Many started stocking up on surgical masks and wearing other protective gear at work because of his warning. “


Doctor Who Sounded Early Alarm on Coronavirus Dies at 34

 

[margarita25]

Post by MJPeony from the last thread:

“A couple of articles were posted upthread about some studies showing Asian males are much more likely to get this CV. I really feel like there must be some truth in this. Otherwise I feel we’d be seeing far higher numbers at this point in non-Asian countries. MOO.”

Somehow I’ve missed these articles. Can @MJPeony, or someone else, please provide a link? Tia.

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Marking from the last thread / Bringing forward snippet and links via @Henry2326 (Hi Henry, long time no see ):

(Rsbm)
“We do not know the routes of transmission of 2019-nCoV; however, other coronaviruses are mainly transmitted by large respiratory droplets and direct or indirect contact with infected secretions. In addition to respiratory secretions, other coronaviruses have been detected in blood, faeces and urine.

Under certain circumstances, airborne transmission of other coronaviruses is thought to have occurred via unprotected exposure to aerosols of respiratory secretions and sometimes faecal material.”

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV): epidemiology, virology and clinical features

Mapping the Outbreak of China’s Coronavirus

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Post from the last thread, courtesy of @Medstudies, noting to google city Xiaogan to find out more:

Updated at 21:45 EST
21:35 EST
Second Chinese city, Xiaogan, records more than 2,000 coronavirus cases
The Chinese city of Xiaogan, around 70km north-west of Wuhan in Hubei province, has become only the second city in China (after Wuhan) to record more than 2,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.”

 

[Lillymac]

Post by MJPeony from the last thread:

“A couple of articles were posted upthread about some studies showing Asian males are much more likely to get this CV. I really feel like there must be some truth in this. Otherwise I feel we’d be seeing far higher numbers at this point in non-Asian countries. MOO.”

Somehow I’ve missed these articles. Can @MJPeony, or someone else, please provide a link? Tia.

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Marking from the last thread / Bringing forward snippet and links via @Henry2326 (Hi Henry, long time no see ):

(Rsbm)
“We do not know the routes of transmission of 2019-nCoV; however, other coronaviruses are mainly transmitted by large respiratory droplets and direct or indirect contact with infected secretions. In addition to respiratory secretions, other coronaviruses have been detected in blood, faeces and urine.

Under certain circumstances, airborne transmission of other coronaviruses is thought to have occurred via unprotected exposure to aerosols of respiratory secretions and sometimes faecal material.”

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV): epidemiology, virology and clinical features

Mapping the Outbreak of China’s Coronavirus

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Post from the last thread, courtesy of @Medstudies, noting to google city Xiaogan to find out more:

Updated at 21:45 EST
21:35 EST
Second Chinese city, Xiaogan, records more than 2,000 coronavirus cases
The Chinese city of Xiaogan, around 70km north-west of Wuhan in Hubei province, has become only the second city in China (after Wuhan) to record more than 2,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.”

Mapping Report behind paywall. fyi

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Post by MJPeony from the last thread:

“A couple of articles were posted upthread about some studies showing Asian males are much more likely to get this CV. I really feel like there must be some truth in this. Otherwise I feel we’d be seeing far higher numbers at this point in non-Asian countries. MOO.”

Somehow I’ve missed these articles. Can @MJPeony, or someone else, please provide a link? Tia.

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Marking from the last thread / Bringing forward snippet and links via @Henry2326 (Hi Henry, long time no see ):

(Rsbm)
“We do not know the routes of transmission of 2019-nCoV; however, other coronaviruses are mainly transmitted by large respiratory droplets and direct or indirect contact with infected secretions. In addition to respiratory secretions, other coronaviruses have been detected in blood, faeces and urine.

Under certain circumstances, airborne transmission of other coronaviruses is thought to have occurred via unprotected exposure to aerosols of respiratory secretions and sometimes faecal material.”

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV): epidemiology, virology and clinical features

Mapping the Outbreak of China’s Coronavirus

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Post from the last thread, courtesy of @Medstudies, noting to google city Xiaogan to find out more:

Updated at 21:45 EST
21:35 EST
Second Chinese city, Xiaogan, records more than 2,000 coronavirus cases
The Chinese city of Xiaogan, around 70km north-west of Wuhan in Hubei province, has become only the second city in China (after Wuhan) to record more than 2,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus.”

Yes, there are numbers out there which show more men than women. And I did a post upthread with a link that showed it was more due to smoking having increased cause (and NOT race etc) at Tobacco-Use Disparity in Gene Expression of ACE2, the Receptor of 2019-nCov ... It also disputes another article that said it was related to being an Asian.

If you go to this youtube at 3:23, (this is a training info by doctor... series on this that has about 12 episodes) it explains MUCH better about the smoking / male connection than reading a scientific article the ACE2 stuff, and he theorizes that since 48% of the men smoke in China vs. just 1.9% of the women.... it makes sense and he talks about such as related to the above link

This physician does daily updates to explain the medical stuff and other items in the media in layman's understanding re the outbreak.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

ita, it’s total human rights abuse. (IMO) RSBM these “hospital facilities” : MOO what we have is the first batch of research patient’s guinea pigs. They are skipping 1st round safety/efficacy studies with animals and going straight to human subjects... ((total violation of rules and ethics for clinical trials but China’s gonna do China)

(MOO of course)

I've not heard/read anywhere that they are going to be skipping 1st round safety/efficacy studies with animals and going straight to human subjects... Has anyone?

Research on folks in the US has already been done on the guy from Washington who was very sick, given Remdesivir under the compassionate exemption. He got better. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub=pubmed First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States Remdesivir was already approved for use in humans during the Ebola outbreak. (didn't work, but went through approval process for safety in humans)

To allow it to be used when the compassionate exemption ends, potential treatments must go through a double blind study, where unfortunately some folks will be getting a placebo, and others the drug. Possibly by end of April these trials can be completed in China, and the WHO is convening on that next week as to next steps.

This youtube explains it well starting at 2:25

 

[RobinCAL]

French health minister says all of the five new coronavirus cases in France are British nationals

 

[RobinCAL]

Coronavirus: Five Brits in French ski chalet catch virus

 

[pugmom]

Just saw this as I was checking my local news this morning. The Chinese community living here on Prince Edward Island is raising money to buy protective gear for the doctors and nurses in Chinese hospitals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prin...nese-community-fundraising-feb-2020-1.5456540

 

[IceIce9]

The first American citizen had died from coronavirus in China An American Dies From the Virus in Wuhan, China

 

[Barnabas]

I really wish my school would stop the study abroad trips for now. We are sending dozens of people to Philippines and Indonesia soon who will come right back to our classrooms and offices.

ETA that sounds so selfish but I’m just really worried about it. People here think it’s a joke.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Dunno, it is all Chinese to me!
rbbm.
Experts monitoring coronavirus for signs of tipping point in coming weeks
''The virus is currently fatal in 2 per cent of reported cases, although many experts suggest that percentage is likely to decline as more milder or asymptomatic cases come to light.

However, the total number of cases emerging at this point has experts puzzled, because it doesn’t fit with accounts that the virus emerged in mid-December, starting with a cluster of cases linked to a live animal market in the city of Wuhan.

To illustrate this, David Fisman, an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto’s Dalla Lana School of Public Health, created a model with minimal assumptions to try to fit the reported number of cases to what is known about the dynamics of an epidemic.

His results, published Wednesday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, strongly suggest the virus was more likely circulating in the human population of Wuhan as early as mid-November. This squares with other studies that argue there had to be more cases of the virus at an earlier time to match the current profile of the emerging outbreak.''

Interesting and makes sense to me. Not that I'm remotely an expert. But when we first heard about it emerging I actually found the situation and timing of emergence and discovery suspect. I mean how could they possibly detect an emerging virus when it has supposedly infected so few people if the symptoms were also not particularly striking as claimed? How does anyone suddenly notice a novel virus and detect it that early unless the symptoms were strikingly different? If it actually emerged well before they claimed then that just seems more logical.

 

[mickey2942]

I really wish my school would stop the study abroad trips for now. We are sending dozens of people to Philippines and Indonesia soon who will come right back to our classrooms and offices.

ETA that sounds so selfish but I’m just really worried about it. People here think it’s a joke.

I agree. And I am wondering why our federal government seems to be so cavalier about the situation. The government did not stop flights to or from China, private industry made that decision.

Is the low key attitude towards Coronavirus due to the fact that they don't want people to panic? In reality, are they behind the scenes trying to figure out what to do if people in the United States start getting sick?

I am not worried. What happens will happen, I can't control it. That being said, I am not traveling anywhere.

 

[Bravo]

Th8s is a MUST watch! Imo

Good gawd. Maybe China looks at this as population control! Thanks for all the posts. I am getting caught up and too many posts to thank.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Quote JerseyGirl from the last thread:

“China's Ambassador to the U.K. has continued the Chinese government's criticism of some Western nations' response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak. Ambassador Liu Xiaoming told journalists in London Thursday that British leaders' "words do not match with (their) deeds," pointing to the U.K. government's advice to citizens to leave China as soon as possible.

Liu said there had been an "overreaction by individual countries." China has also balked at U.S. warnings against all travel to the country.

The ambassador stressed that the head of the WHO, Dr. Tedros Gebreyesus, on Wednesday said that adopting a "blanket approach" — banning travel to and from all of China or urging people to leave the vast country when 80% of the confirmed cases of the illness were still in just one province, could prove unhelpful.

"It's hoped that governments of all countries, including U.K., should understand and support China's efforts, respect the professional advice of the WHO, avoid overreaction and creating panic and ensure normal cooperation and exchanges between countries."

Liu stressed that, "not the whole of China is an outbreak area. Life is still normal in most parts of China."

Coronavirus deaths mount as U.S. plans more evacuations from outbreak epicenter in China

yeah, right. :eyeroll: “

Double eye roll.

Overreaction, my bootie! How about if they had reacted more intelligently in the beginning? We would not be in this situation now.

 

[beatrixpotter]

A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at Hong Kong’s Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003.
Coronavirus Lurking in Feces May Reveal Hidden Risk of Spread

Gosh..that's quite the visual. An aerosol plume of diarrhea?