Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

[dixiegirl1035]

The numbers have been submitted for Hubei today

2/7.....2,841 new cases and 80 new deaths
2/6 .....2,447 new cases and 69 new deaths
2/5...... 2,987 new cases and 70 deaths

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

ETA @MJPeony, those are the numbers for just the Hubei Provence where Wuhan is, and not all of China

 

[asyousay]

Somebody else up thread pointed this out as well but it needs saying again.

In China this has been on going since December and we have 1000’s of cases so why are the 1000’s who have recovered by now not being on the news reassuring the masses from the hysteria and saying it’s not as bad as the media is portraying it?

 

[Pi Thoughts]

The Coronavirus threat did not deter thousands of couples, who attended a mass wedding ceremony in South Korea on Friday.

According to the church, there were 30,000 inside the venue and among them, were 6000 new couples getting married.

Others were renewing vows or watching.
Coronavirus threat doesn't stop mass wedding in South Korea

 

[Hatfield]

Twitter

@BNOdesk

China:
2841 new cases
80 new deaths

Anyone have the figures side by side to compare the past several days?

This link has two nice charts. The 2nd one shows the daily new cases

Coronavirus Cases: Total and Daily with Charts and Statistics - Worldometer

 

[dotr]

There's a good chance the Wuhan coronavirus will never disappear, experts say. There are only 3 possible endings to this story.
Aylin Woodward
2 hours ago
''A coronavirus outbreak that started in Wuhan, China, in December has killed at least 630 people and infected more than 31,500 people across 26 countries.

According to public-health experts, there are only three possible endings to this coronavirus story: The outbreak could be controlled via public-health interventions and disappear (as SARS did), a vaccine could be developed, or the coronavirus could become a permanent part of the repertoire of human viruses, perhaps like the seasonal flu.

That third option is the most likely, two experts told Business Insider — the new virus may never truly disappear.

"Right now, the actions being taken in China — the Draconian efforts — are what happens when you're trying to catch a galloping horse that's already left the barn," said Stephen Morse, an epidemiologist at Columbia University.''

 

[KALI]

Th8s is a MUST watch! Imo

"Chen Quisi" just posted another video from inside one of the newly built quarantine centers in Wuhan:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I have never been on a cruise and can state that cruises definitely are not for me. I know many love them, and that’s fine. To each his own.

Even before this I had always considered cruise ships to be floating Petri dishes.

That being said, I am questioning some of the actions these affected cruise lines are taking now.

The passengers who are quarantined intheir rooms are receiving food, beverages, board games and exercise equipment from crew members. I think the chances are considerable that the virus could be spread by crew members making delivers to the rooms of the passengers.

DH and I are avid cruisers (30+ since mid-80s) and, in fact, just returned from a Caribbean cruise last week. I don't disagree with your perceptions about onboard illness on cruise ships, but DH and I have learned to take precautions to keep ourselves healthy while enjoying visits to different places without having to travel by train, plane, or bus. The ship is our "hotel" as it sails from port to port, and there is always food and entertainment if we choose not to disembark at every port. That said, we take precautions to keep ourselves well and have altered our onboard choices as we age.

Even though our stateroom is cleaned daily, I pack Clorox wipes and clean any surfaces that we touch frequently: TV remote, door/drawer handles, bathroom faucet, etc. We have stopped eating in the main dining rooms and opt for the smaller specialty restaurants even if there's an upcharge. We absolutely never go anywhere near the buffet! We also wash our hands before we leave our stateroom and immediately upon returning. If we see/hear someone coughing or appearing to be unwell, we move away from them as quickly as possible. We don't touch elevator buttons with our fingers (knuckles work well) and try not to use stair railings. We don't use public restrooms onboard and only use our stateroom facilities. I pack surgical masks and gloves in case there's an airborne illness on the ship.

Your point about crew members is right on! Crew quarters are not as luxurious as passenger staterooms, and many crew members don't want their superiors to know when they are unwell. They don't want to be docked pay or sent home due to illness. They work long hours and are often sleep-deprived, but working on a cruise ship is their livelihood, so they probably do their jobs even when they're not well. It wouldn't surprise me at all if crew members might continue serving passengers even if they might have symptoms of Coronavirus.

 

[MJPeony]

Some of these videos that I’ve been seeing.... are these not human rights violations? I can’t stop thinking about the people. I feel it is abuse.


MOO.

 

[gitana1]

This brought a tear, it feels like a cattle herding, it has an air of concentration camp

That government always treats it's people like cattle. It's like every apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic movie but it's real in that nation.

 

[Hatfield]

DH and I are avid cruisers (30+ since mid-80s) and, in fact, just returned from a Caribbean cruise last week. I don't disagree with your perceptions about onboard illness on cruise ships, but DH and I have learned to take precautions to keep ourselves healthy while enjoying visits to different places without having to travel by train, plane, or bus. The ship is our "hotel" as it sails from port to port, and there is always food and entertainment if we choose not to disembark at every port. That said, we take precautions to keep ourselves well and have altered our onboard choices as we age.

Even though our stateroom is cleaned daily, I pack Clorox wipes and clean any surfaces that we touch frequently: TV remote, door/drawer handles, bathroom faucet, etc. We have stopped eating in the main dining rooms and opt for the smaller specialty restaurants even if there's an upcharge. We absolutely never go anywhere near the buffet! We also wash our hands before we leave our stateroom and immediately upon returning. If we see/hear someone coughing or appearing to be unwell, we move away from them as quickly as possible. We don't touch elevator buttons with our fingers (knuckles work well) and try not to use stair railings. We don't use public restrooms onboard and only use our stateroom facilities. I pack surgical masks and gloves in case there's an airborne illness on the ship.

Your point about crew members is right on! Crew quarters are not as luxurious as passenger staterooms, and many crew members don't want their superiors to know when they are unwell. They don't want to be docked pay or sent home due to illness. They work long hours and are often sleep-deprived, but working on a cruise ship is their livelihood, so they probably do their jobs even when they're not well. It wouldn't surprise me at all if crew members might continue serving passengers even if they might have symptoms of Coronavirus.

Thank you for sharing your experiences, and best wishes for many more healthy and fun cruises in the future.

I am in the "non-cruise" camp personally because of something that happened to my Dad on a cruise. It wasnt something I would have even thought about until it happened to my father. In the middle of his cruise at a far away place, he got a serious health condition and needed to be hospitalized but nobody realized how bad off he was at the time. He got very frustrated with the onboard physicians and he felt trapped there. They did offer to let him disembark if he wanted to pay for his own flight back to the states, but he elected to stay in his room until the ship finally made it back on its normal schedule days later.

Long story short, he ended up needing a heart bypass surgery once he was seen by his own doctors and local hospital once back home.

I know that is an exception and probably a rare event, but it was enough for me to join him in not taking cruises. I know they have really good doctors onboard as I have been told, but I am sure there are limits to what they can do for people while on a boat.

 

[MistyM]

china has such a huge population, it seems so much more freaky with the quarantine centers, people stacked up sick. if this thing sticks around i am hoping it eventually mutates into a common cold type virus. usually viruses that are very deadly burn out quickly because their hosts die too fast so they become less potent to gain that infectibility. this one already seems to have a high contagious rate though, and it's rather dangerous. i'm pretty anxious about what is going to happen when it occurs in my city. i am hoping it's not as serious as what we've seen so far in china. i don't want the hospitals and medical system overwhelmed with too many patients needing intensive care.

i remember freaking the heck out over H1N1 back in 2009 thinking it was going to be like the 1918 spanish flu (also H1N1) because it killed young healthy people. i know a lot of people did die but it wasn't 'apocalyptic'. by the end of this (if it ever ends) i am going to guess we will lose a lot of people in the world. which is so sad for countries with poor sanitation and bad medical care . mother earth likes to balance herself out every few hundred years. i just never thought it would happen in my lifetime.

 

[gitana1]

Just be glad you live in the western world and this would never be allowed to happen here.

Never say never.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This is another daily comparison, again, this is ONLY Hubei province (where Wuhan is), and not all of China. Note jump in hospitalized numbers today. They are in a pandemic SOP mode as to how they are handling it.

2/7
At present, 19,835 cases are still being treated in the hospital, of which 4188 cases are critically ill (e.d. see below, this should be "severe" MOO) and 1,007 cases are critically ill. They are all under isolation treatment at designated medical institutions. A total of 114,044 close contacts have been tracked, and 67,802 people are still undergoing medical observation.

http://wjw.hubei.gov.cn/fbjd/dtyw/202002/t20200208_2021418.shtml, using google translation

2/6
At present, 15,804 cases are still being treated in the hospital, of which 3161 are critically ill (e.d. see below, this should be "severe" MOO) and 841 are critically ill. They are all under isolation treatment at designated medical institutions. A total of 101,599 close contacts have been tracked, and 64,057 are still under medical observation.

2/5
At present, 14,314 cases are still being treated in the hospital, including 2328 cases of severe cases and 756 cases of critical cases, all of which are receiving isolation treatment at designated medical institutions. A total of 90,997 close contacts have been tracked, and 64,127 people are still under medical observation.

ETA: As of today from above link..running TOTAL = "1,115 patients have been cured and discharged. There were 699 deaths"

 

[Medstudies]

Some of these videos that I’ve been seeing.... are these not human rights violations? I can’t stop thinking about the people. I feel it is abuse.

MOO.

ita, it’s total human rights abuse. (IMO)

That government always treats it's people like cattle. It's like very apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic movie but it's real in that nation.

Yep with 1.5 billion people, if they lose 10 million people it will just be a drop. (Kinda like with bezos and his taxes)

these “hospital facilities” : MOO what we have is the first batch of research patient’s guinea pigs. They are skipping 1st round safety/efficacy studies with animals and going straight to human subjects... ((total violation of rules and ethics for clinical trials but China’s gonna do China)

(MOO of course)

 

[dotr]

China coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates
''Saturday, February 8
Latest coronavirus study implicates fecal transmission
Diarrhea may be a secondary path of transmission for the novel coronavirus, scientists said following the publication of the latest study reporting patients with abdominal symptoms and loose stool.

The primary path is believed to be virus-laden droplets from an infected person's cough, though researchers in early cases have said they focused heavily on patients with respiratory symptoms and may have overlooked those linked to the digestive tract.

A total of 14 out of 138 patients (10 percent) in a Wuhan hospital who were studied in the new paper by Chinese authors in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) initially presented with diarrhea and nausea one or two days prior to development of fever and labored breathing.

The first US patient diagnosed with 2019-nCoV also experienced loose bowel movements for two days and the virus was subsequently detected in his stool, and there have been other such cases in China documented in the Lancet, albeit infrequently.''

 

[IceIce9]

Just be glad you live in the western world and this would never be allowed to happen here.

Have you heard of TB sanitariums? Some of my older relatives have told me about them, and there were several here in Indiana.

My mom’s first husband had TB and was confined to a TB sanitarium in New Castle, Indiana. Mom was only 18 or 19 at the time, and she remarried several years later (to my dad)

 

[Amonet]

Better safe than sorry? wrt goggles

https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/coronavirus-and-your-eyes/

Coronavirus: How eyes may play a role in its spread

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Wrt to restaurants and takeout, it would be the number of people that
come in contact with your food that should be a consideration?

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Yep. Ben's a charmer.

Not just the food, but the number of people sitting in close proximity, and maybe also touching door handles and things like that?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Video from 2 days ago of the couple on the Princess cruise ship docked in Japan:

and an update just posted 8 hours ago:

 

[Inthedetails]

Th8s is a MUST watch! Imo

So this is in addition to the two new hospitals that were built in a week?

Egad.

jmo

 

[KALI]

This is beyond disturbing. Talk about a petri dish!

This is disturbing.