Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

[dixiegirl1035]

Didn't realize the Moonie cult was still so active. I don't think they're as popular in the US as they once were.

JMO, I question some countries reporting on the number of cases of the new coronavirus within their borders. Russia is only reporting 2 cases?

They are not members of the World Health Organization. So I'm surprised they are reporting it at all.

 

[gregjrichards]

There is one country that is (unsurprisingly) quiet about CV: North Korea.

They may not have an impact on us, but from a humanitarian standpoint, I wonder...

Understanding the China-North Korea Relationship (Council on Foreign Relations)


“China is North Korea’s most important trading partner. It has helped sustain Kim Jong-un’s regime, and has opposed harsh international sanctions on North Korea in the hope of avoiding regime collapse and a refugee influx across their 870-mile border.“...

“The two countries have expanded physical links in recent years. In September 2015, they opened a bulk-cargo and container shipping route to boost North Korea’s export of coal to China, and China established a high-speed rail route between the Chinese border city of Dandong and Shenyang, the provincial capital of China’s northeastern Liaoning Province. The same year, the Guomenwan border trade zone opened in Dandong with the intention of bolstering bilateral economic exchanges...”

And I apologize, I’m posting way too much here... and sounding too much of an alarmist.

Keep posting @Medstudies we need as much information as possible from as many sources as possible about this terrible crisis.

Thank you to you and everyone for all your posts they are all much appreciated.

 

[MJPeony]

Do you have a link regarding the virus being shed after they have recovered? I haven’t seen that info yet and I would love to learn more about it.
TIA

Oh that would horrible if it’s shed after recovery!

 

[mickey2942]

The one very scary issue with the areas affected by Coronavirus is the population density. China, India, which means a much higher amount of people who are affected, and will infect others quantified.

 

[gregjrichards]

British man claims he was turned away from Wuhan evacuation flight because he was too hot after wearing two jackets

British man claims he was turned away from Wuhan evacuation flight because he was too hot | Daily Mail Online

I feel sorry for him he must be desperate to get home.

 

[What if...]

The more I look at the known statistics, the varying opinions of scientists, China’s unprecedented actions for containment, etc, etc,

I really think we’re missing something here. I’ll go into more detail when I get a chance, but I stated early on that I believe this virus to be a whole new animal. I’m well aware that the genome of the virus is very similar to the genomes of other coronaviruses, but I also read early on that the middle portion of the genome is “very different” from what’s been seen before.
I’m thinking that some of the assumptions based on the history of similar viruses is flawed, or there is an anomaly that has not yet been recognized.
Just curious if anyone else has considered the same?

 

[MJPeony]

Do you have a link regarding the virus being shed after they have recovered? I haven’t seen that info yet and I would love to learn more about it.
TIA

Sorry Whatif.... quoting you again . I want to know if there is evidence of post-illness spreading as well.

I found this- its from January 31 though, so perhaps a bit dated at this point (?).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...s-spread-person-no-symptoms-found-germany/amp

“Meanwhile, one of her German colleagues fell ill on January 24 with a fever, sore throat, chills and muscle aches. His illness was brief, and he returned to work on January 27, the same day that the woman informed the company she carried the virus. Nasal swabs and sputum, or phlegm, samples from the man contained high levels of the novel coronavirus even though his symptoms had passed. More testing is needed to determine whether virus particles left after recovery from the illness are infectious, the researchers noted.”

“...These cases suggest that people shed the virus before they show symptoms and after recovery from the illness, say Camilla Rothe, a tropical medicine and infectious disease specialist at the University Hospital of Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Munich, and her colleagues.”

 

[mickey2942]

I believe that Africa and South America has probably already had cases, but they were not identified as "Coronavirus" due to the issues of not having diagnostic procedures to test for the virus.

People die in 3rd world countries routinely of pneumonia related diseases. It probably wasn't even noted, a month ago...

 

[LaborDayRN]

I'm a bit worried, a colleague of mine returned from her month long holiday (Australia / Bali with Hong Kong stop overs) on 25th Jan. She returned to work Mon 27th Jan.
Just last week she tells us her travelling companion had become unwell / was taken to hospital last week and is being tested for Coronavirus . My colleague stated last Friday that she was starting to feel unwell also, our office isn't the biggest and I'm feeling a bit nervous.

Your coworker needs to call her local hospital's ER and tell them her story. She needs to tell them she may have been exposed to the virus on an airplane and has started to feel unwell. It's important that she calls the hospital first before coming in so that they can have an isolation room and staff ready for her. She needs to wear a mask when she goes in. Self reporting is a critical step in controlling the spread of the virus. It can save lives.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Chinese in UK report 'shocking' levels of racism after coronavirus outbreak

 

[What if...]

Sorry Whatif.... quoting you again . I want to know if there is evidence of post-illness spreading as well.

I found this- its from January 31 though, so perhaps a bit dated at this point (?).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...s-spread-person-no-symptoms-found-germany/amp

“Meanwhile, one of her German colleagues fell ill on January 24 with a fever, sore throat, chills and muscle aches. His illness was brief, and he returned to work on January 27, the same day that the woman informed the company she carried the virus. Nasal swabs and sputum, or phlegm, samples from the man contained high levels of the novel coronavirus even though his symptoms had passed. More testing is needed to determine whether virus particles left after recovery from the illness are infectious, the researchers noted.”

“...These cases suggest that people shed the virus before they show symptoms and after recovery from the illness, say Camilla Rothe, a tropical medicine and infectious disease specialist at the University Hospital of Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Munich, and her colleagues.”

If this is true, is it unprecedented?
I’m definitely not a viral expert, but I’ve never heard of this occurring with other known viruses.
If unprecedented, this would definitely multiply the complexity of attempted containment!
If other known viruses are capable of this, then I have to consider myself thankful for prior ignorance on the subject!

 

[LaborDayRN]

I have asthma so I’m in the same boat. If I got this I couldn’t survive. The flu can easily kill me too. So I get a lot of vaccines and get paranoid about people coughing or sneezing around me. I will run, put my face over my nose and mouth, move where I’m sitting, etc.

Asthmatic her too Gitana. Every time I get sick it goes straight to my lungs. It stinks! My reward for never smoking a day in my life!

 

[JerseyGirl]

UAE confirms two new cases of coronavirus

 

[What if...]

I believe that Africa and South America has probably already had cases, but they were not identified as "Coronavirus" due to the issues of not having diagnostic procedures to test for the virus.

People die in 3rd world countries routinely of pneumonia related diseases. It probably wasn't even noted, a month ago...

We’re at the height of flu season here in the US right now. I believe it would be reasonable to assume that some cases could have been misidentified here as well. Especially if any occurred prior to global awareness.

 

[Inthedetails]

I was thinking the same thing when I read about the mass weddings! It wasn’t linked but I thought it had to be the Moonies. They’re still around?

I'm pretty sure they are still active here on the east coast - but then again, I haven't been paying attention. Just recall a few news articles popping up now and then about mass weddings.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

@Medstudies, please keep posting at full speed !

As a fellow “melodramatic alarmist”, I, unfortunately, haven’t had the time to keep up with all the new details the way I would like to, but you have represented us well !! And I for one appreciate it !!

At the same time, I also feel the need to express my gratitude to @Amonet (among others) for contributing from a level headed more optimistic view. Your view points probably won’t keep me from falling into a “Conspiracy Theory Alarmists Black Hole” - but each of your posts forces me to pause and re-evaluate, therefore slowing my decent!

In short, I hope everyone continues to post at full speed. Personally, I’ve gained knowledge and/or insight from nearly every post on this thread!!

I honestly don’t know of any other website I could go to that would provide raw data, human interest discussions, varying (and sometimes opposing) view points, etc,.. Combine that with bits of humor, cordial discussions, and the appreciation most of us have for differing opinions....

I’ll just say this platform is very unique, and this group has been awesome!!

So true. WS is always the best as serving as a clearinghouse of information, but I think this thread shines above and beyond as being polite about different points of view. I'm very interested in the topic but I'm not an alarmist....but I'm learning new things from EVERYONE here, not just people who agree with me.

My personal interest in the case is the communication (or lack thereof) about a crisis and how the information is handled with the public. I'm also interested in health, but the communication about it is what holds my attention.

Whatever WSers' individual interests are, all the contributions are creating a great thread.

Let's pat ourselves on the back....and then be sure to wash our hands.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

The one very scary issue with the areas affected by Coronavirus is the population density. China, India, which means a much higher amount of people who are affected, and will infect others quantified.

Because more people means more people are traveling, right?

 

[Inthedetails]

Chinese in UK report 'shocking' levels of racism after coronavirus outbreak

I'm so sorry to hear that. Not surprised, but disappointed.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

So true. WS is always the best as serving as a clearinghouse of information, but I think this thread shines above and beyond as being polite about different points of view. I'm very interested in the topic but I'm not an alarmist....but I'm learning new things from EVERYONE here, not just people who agree with me.

My personal interest in the case is the communication (or lack thereof) about a crisis and how the information is handled with the public. I'm also interested in health, but the communication about it is what holds my attention.

Whatever WSers' individual interests are, all the contributions are creating a great thread.

Let's pat ourselves on the back....and then be sure to wash our hands.

jmo

It’s easy to get alarmed. I was at a concert last night with a large population of Asians and I couldn’t help but wonder how many have travelled lately from Hong Kong or Singapore or Philippines. And there’s always so much coughing. One guy sneezed as I was walking nearby. I raced away as fast as I could while holding my breath.

But it’s kind of a ridiculous though because we are a global economy and just as many non-Asians travel to those regions probably these days.

And you know despite the hysteria I do think the west does well at isolating these diseases and preventing spread and treating them than other areas. At least nowadays.

 

[gitana1]

Sorry Whatif.... quoting you again . I want to know if there is evidence of post-illness spreading as well.

I found this- its from January 31 though, so perhaps a bit dated at this point (?).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...s-spread-person-no-symptoms-found-germany/amp

“Meanwhile, one of her German colleagues fell ill on January 24 with a fever, sore throat, chills and muscle aches. His illness was brief, and he returned to work on January 27, the same day that the woman informed the company she carried the virus. Nasal swabs and sputum, or phlegm, samples from the man contained high levels of the novel coronavirus even though his symptoms had passed. More testing is needed to determine whether virus particles left after recovery from the illness are infectious, the researchers noted.”

“...These cases suggest that people shed the virus before they show symptoms and after recovery from the illness, say Camilla Rothe, a tropical medicine and infectious disease specialist at the University Hospital of Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Munich, and her colleagues.”

Speaking of nasal swabs has anyone had one? My God it felt like they were poking my brain. Awful.