Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV

[Medstudies]

I can’t even fathom the fear, anxiety, and panic that the Chinese are currently experiencing. If a full blown outbreak occurs here in the US, I’m not so sure we would handle the situation as well as they have thus far.
All of the political bipartisan bickering we have going on would almost definitely hinder any immediate action plan.

*PLEASE NOTE*
I am not trying to bring politics to this thread ! Just adding my own opinion that our current political environment could hinder our response to such an outbreak. I’m sure there are several other countries that would face similar challenges based on regional politics and/or internal conflicts, religious conflicts, etc,...

How would the world as a whole deal with an outbreak if it occurred in Syria? Or similar regions of conflict around the globe?
China’s political structure has played a huge role in the efforts of containment. Again, not expressing ANY political viewpoints - I’m only expressing my own viewpoint that China’s political structure has been advantageous to their response to the outbreak, and openly wondering (doubting) that a similar response would even be possible in most other regions of the globe.

I’ll add that I live in Indiana, and there are already signs of anxiety spreading locally. There are the confirmed cases in Chicago, and there is a potential case in Porter County Indiana at the moment.

Far from panic, but many here are definitely on edge and on high alert.

Potential case of coronavirus identified in Porter County

I completely agree with your concerns. The Chinese people have lived for ages under heavy rule. There are cultural and societal demands to be orderly to be polite. Even more so with the implementation of the Social Credit System: China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you


( And not to deride any group of people) but there have been instances of looting and crime sprees, here in the States, during major events here. (Blackouts/floods). There is a difference between East and West.

back in the early 1900’s, Alfred Henry Lewis wrote, “There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.” This, is when survivor, desperation mode kicks in.

I think this is the main focus of preppers
On another note...

I just saw that “Tokyo is in talks with WHO and the IOC- about the 2021 games”. - so is this just an over abundance of caution or is there concern that this is going to be an extended crisis? Idk

edit: stupid auto correct

 

[Medstudies]

This will likely help prevent the virus from spreading, but I can't help but think the flights are canceled because the airlines currently don't have enough customers who WANT to take those flights - more of an economic decision than medical, or, more likely, a combination of both.

jmo

I agree that decreased demand has to have some influence in this decision.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just saw that “Tokyo is in talks with WHO and the IOC- about the 2021 games”. - so is this just an over abundance of caution or is there concern that this is going to be an extended crisis? Idk

Snipped.

Again, this might be an economic decision more than a medical one. Tickets, reservations, tourist agendas, etc. are typically made well in advance of the actual event, starting perhaps around now. Who is going to want to book a trip to a crowded, international event in that area of the world right now? Countries might not want to send their star athletes so there would be the publicity of teams pulling out. Even if Tokyo isn't the hardest hit area with the virus, plenty of people will still think it's "close enough" to want to avoid it.

FWIW, I wish the summer Olympics would be held in Greece every time with winter Olympics in Switzerland (because of its neutrality). Enough with the outrageous bidding process and huge expenses countries take on to be the host.

jmo

 

[What if...]

Checking on current numbers outside of China:

120 cases spread over 21 countries. ZERO deaths reported outside of China.

A change I'm noticing is "recovered" cases are now popping up on the list. That's great information to have for many reasons, and I hope countries continue to report "recovered." I wish it were required to report that number.

Top 5 countries outside of China:

Thailand. 19 cases. (7 reported as recovered.)
Singapore: 16 cases.
Japan: 15 cases + 2 diagnosed who don't have symptoms.
South Korea: 11 cases.
Australia: 9 cases (2 reported as recovered.)

9780 cases in China, with the majority (5806) of that number in the Chinese province where the virus originated.

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

jmo

I 100% agree that the number of recovered needs to be tracked and published in the same fashion the deaths are. It’s the only way to obtain the statistical data they need in order to know exactly what they’re up against. I really hope that amidst the chaos occurring in China, their statistical data reporting is fairly accurate.
In regards to “no deaths outside of China, I think it’s very important to keep in mind the volume of infected being dealt with outside of China vs the volume in China.
At the moment, all countries outside of China have the luxury to focus on the few cases they have. Treatment, testing, observation, safety protocols, etc,... are focused on a handful of individuals. This is definitely NOT the medical environment China is working with.

 

[Inthedetails]

I 100% agree that the number of recovered needs to be tracked and published in the same fashion the deaths are. It’s the only way to obtain the statistical data they need in order to know exactly what they’re up against. I really hope that amidst the chaos occurring in China, their statistical data reporting is fairly accurate.
In regards to “no deaths outside of China, I think it’s very important to keep in mind the volume of infected being dealt with outside of China vs the volume in China.
At the moment, all countries outside of China have the luxury to focus on the few cases they have. Treatment, testing, observation, safety protocols, etc,... are focused on a handful of individuals. This is definitely NOT the medical environment China is working with.

I agree. I trust the numbers outside of China (though I think there are cases that are not reported - people recovering on their own at home without telling anyone).

I do not trust the numbers from China. I suspect the virus was known and was spreading in the "origin area" weeks before it made the international press....and it got out of control and too big to hide.

I am quite hopeful that the international spread can be contained, not 100%, but with overall success.

jmo

 

[JerseyGirl]

A woman, among the 180 French nationals evacuated from China by plane, has been taken to hospital after she showed symptoms of the Wuhan coronavirus.

Nurses and psychologists were on hand at the resort near Marseille, where the French citizens will be quarantined for the next 14 days.

Inside the resort, the evacuees will have to wear a mask and their temperature will be checked twice a day.

Coronavirus news and live updates: UK confirms first cases as outbreak spreads - CNN

 

[JerseyGirl]

Canada evacuates diplomatic staff and relatives from China due to coronavirus

The Canadian government has evacuated a limited group of diplomatic staff, their family members and children from mainland China. People at risk, meaning the elderly or those with existing medical conditions or mental health concerns, were flown out of China on Thursday.

Coronavirus news and live updates: UK confirms first cases as outbreak spreads - CNN

 

[Bravo]

We know 3 couples who travelled (separately) to China past several years. Loved their trip and travelled extensively within. Yet they all said same thing. Food is terrible so pack lots of snacks as your always hungry. If your in line for anything be aggressive as the locals are. If u don't u will remain at the back of the line. Son and DIL travelled to Japan last April. Transit system amazing. On time down to the second. They travelled Japan extensively as well. Found it same wherever they went. Food ok and a McDonald's most everywhere lol Folks on transit are quiet, orderly entering and exiting and respectful. Spoke softly if they spoke at all. Tokyo so populated yet everything runs smoothly and efficiently. I'm sure this is affecting upcoming Olympics. So many athletes have to travel to qualify in their sport. The impact of this is so far reaching.

 

[Medstudies]

Snipped.

Again, this might be an economic decision more than a medical one. Tickets, reservations, tourist agendas, etc. are typically made well in advance of the actual event, starting perhaps around now. Who is going to want to book a trip to a crowded, international event in that area of the world right now? Countries might not want to send their star athletes so there would be the publicity of teams pulling out. Even if Tokyo isn't the hardest hit area with the virus, plenty of people will still think it's "close enough" to want to avoid it.

FWIW, I wish the summer Olympics would be held in Greece every time with winter Olympics in Switzerland (because of its neutrality). Enough with the outrageous bidding process and huge expenses countries take on to be the host.

jmo

Oh I agree that potential financial impact is an underlying reason (and maybe the major reason) but seeing this
“Wuhan mayor Zhou Xianwang said today that the task of containing the virus remains 'severe and complex' with the number of cases continuing to swell.” Coronavirus: China accused of lying about true death toll | Daily Mail Online

...is the driving force to why consumers aren’t interested in the potential risks


Oh, and I’d love to see the games back in Greece - or as you suggested, in neutral Switzerland. <3

 

[gregjrichards]

Virologist heading coronavirus vaccine efforts warns the killer disease could mutate and become even deadlier - as Qantas jet waits on standby to fly stranded Australians out of Wuhan

Virologist warns coronavirus could become deadlier as Qantas waits to fly Australians out of Wuhan | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bravo]

Deadlier Oh my. I had not really thought that far ahead as to it mutating. Oh and glad to read "some" Canadians are getting out. It must be frightening tho to sit on a plane that long, especially if u have no symptoms. Use the same washroom, and breath the recycled air etc. etc. I mean do u stay or do u go?

 

[Medstudies]

yep I’m going to be tagged as the “melodramatic” alarmist here. But I’m just going to say: if this hits India hard, it’s going to go bad to worse.

Put a couple of cases in areas that are densely populated, particularly in areas that have scores of marginalized citizens, it will be a virus cesspools’ dream.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Virologist heading coronavirus vaccine efforts warns the killer disease could mutate and become even deadlier - as Qantas jet waits on standby to fly stranded Australians out of Wuhan

Virologist warns coronavirus could become deadlier as Qantas waits to fly Australians out of Wuhan | Daily Mail Online

Where they still charged $1,000 from government?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Coronavirus can be spread even without symptoms, top US infectious disease doctor says

In the study, which was published in the New England Journal of Medicine, German researchers described four business associates who became infected through asymptomatic transmission.

“They were in workshops together, they went to the company canteen together,” Dr. Camilla Rothe, an infectious disease specialist in Germany who co-authored the paper.

A woman from Shanghai met with German business associates at a company near Munich on January 20. The Chinese woman was healthy during her visit to Germany.

Within eight days, four employees of that company were diagnosed with Wuhan coronavirus. None of them became seriously ill, but there was concern that they would pass along the infection to someone who could develop life-threatening complications.

Chinese health authorities said earlier this week the Wuhan coronavirus could be spread while people were asymptomatic, but the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it had not seen evidence of that.

Coronavirus news and live updates: UK confirms first cases as outbreak spreads - CNN

 

[Bravo]

yep I’m going to be tagged as the “melodramatic” alarmist here. But I’m just going to say: if this hits India hard, it’s going to go bad to worse.

Put a couple of cases in areas that are densely populated, particularly in areas that have scores of marginalized citizens, it will be a virus cesspools’ dream.

Yes and I think of Africa too. I guess we watch and wait. Sadly.

 

[Inthedetails]

yep I’m going to be tagged as the “melodramatic” alarmist here. But I’m just going to say: if this hits India hard, it’s going to go bad to worse.

Put a couple of cases in areas that are densely populated, particularly in areas that have scores of marginalized citizens, it will be a virus cesspools’ dream.

Yes, the potential is great. But, looking at current numbers, there is 1 diagnosed case in India, with the patient listed as stable.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes and I think of Africa too. I guess we watch and wait. Sadly.

So true. But looking at current numbers, there are zero diagnosed cases in Africa and I read upthread that African airlines have halted flights.

I'm hopeful that the spread of information on an international scale will be effective in preventing disaster outside of China.

jmo

 

[Medstudies]

Yes and I think of Africa too. I guess we watch and wait. Sadly.

Absolutely! We keep being told that hand washing is vital- umm yea. That works if one has accessible water, soap, home

 

[Bravo]

Absolutely! We keep being told that hand washing is vital- umm yea. That works if one has accessible water, soap, home

Exactly

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here Are the First Images of How Coronavirus Replicates in Cells

Magnified pictures of the microbial cause of the pneumonia outbreak were released by scientists at the University of Hong Kong Friday.

Thin-section electron micrographs of the novel coronavirus show part of an infected cell, grown in a culture, with virus particles being released from the cell’s surface.

Each infected cell produces thousands of new infectious virus particles that can go on to infect new cells.