Could ICA walk??

[chefmom]

BBM - Just out of curiosity, what would stop her from being executed, if convicted?

Absolutely nothing. I'm going on whether she gets the DP or Life. Either way, whats left of her life will be spent behind bars. Whether she dies there naturally or is given a lethal injection is what the jury will decide. I prefer the needle. Life will be a gift, imo. A gift that she doesn't deserve.

 

[chefmom]

Well at lease we have some Justice here in California (and that's saying a LOT):

Scott Peterson - convicted murderer of his pregnant wife, Laci and their unborn child, Conner.

David Westerfield - convicted of kidnapping and killing 7 year old Danielle Van Dam

Alejandro Avila - convicted of kidnapping and killing 5 year old Samantha Runnion.

Richard Allen Davis - convicted of kidnapping and murdering Polly Klaas.

Mikhail Markhasev - convicted of killing Ennis Cosby, son of comedian Bill Cosby.

Charles Ng - serial killer who tortured and murdered 11 people.

Richard Ramirez - serial killer known as "The Night Stalker"; convicted of killing 13 people.

Cary Stayner - convicted murderer who killed 4 women in Yosemite, California.

Brandon Wilson - convicted in the 1998 slashing death of 9 year old Matthew Cecchi.

Now I can only ask - when are we going to kill these animals!!! IMHO, ICA will not walk!

MOO

Mel

Can we send KC to California? Rumor has it she was planning a trip there anyway! :crazy:

 

[jharres]

Absolutely nothing. I'm going on whether she gets the DP or Life. Either way, whats left of her life will be spent behind bars. Whether she dies there naturally or is given a lethal injection is what the jury will decide. I prefer the needle. Life will be a gift, imo. A gift that she doesn't deserve.

I gotcha and I agree. What I was really getting at was this. The State has charged her with first degree or aggravated murder and is pushing for the DP. As I understand it, the case will be decided in two phases, guilt, then punishment, correct? Is it possible that she be found guilty of the charges, but not receive the DP? If so, what would make the difference? Is it the jury who decide the penalty or are they only to determine guilt? If the former, what options would they have?

My apologies if these are silly questions, this is my first go round in closely following a case like this.

 

[ynotdivein]

I gotcha and I agree. What I was really getting at was this. The State has charged her with first degree or aggravated murder and is pushing for the DP. As I understand it, the case will be decided in two phases, guilt, then punishment, correct? Is it possible that she be found guilty of the charges, but not receive the DP? If so, what would make the difference? Is it the jury who decide the penalty or are they only to determine guilt? If the former, what options would they have?

My apologies if these are silly questions, this is my first go round in closely following a case like this.

You're doing fine jharres.

The jury will determine guilt or innocence. If guilty they will recommend a penalty, but CJBP then has the power to confirm or change their penalty recommendation.

So the jury could find her guilty and recommend the DP, and the judge could change that to LWOP. Conversely, if the jury recommends LWOP, the judge could change that to a sentence of death. Or, he could agree with their recommendation.

Lots of Qs about this in the "Questions for Our Verified Lawyers" thread--if you search on AZlawyer's name and key words like penalty, you should be off and running.

 

[MaryAnn]

No way will she walk IMO. They have too much evidence against her.

I also think that JUDGE PERRY won't let that happen. :woohoo:

He's no fool and can see right through ICA and her dream team including CA.

 

[jharres]

You're doing fine jharres.

The jury will determine guilt or innocence. If guilty they will recommend a penalty, but CJBP then has the power to confirm or change their penalty recommendation.

So the jury could find her guilty and recommend the DP, and the judge could change that to LWOP. Conversely, if the jury recommends LWOP, the judge could change that to a sentence of death. Or, he could agree with their recommendation.

Lots of Qs about this in the "Questions for Our Verified Lawyers" thread--if you search on AZlawyer's name and key words like penalty, you should be off and running.

Thank you ynot! I appreciate the information and the direction.

 

[logicalgirl]

I gotcha and I agree. What I was really getting at was this. The State has charged her with first degree or aggravated murder and is pushing for the DP. As I understand it, the case will be decided in two phases, guilt, then punishment, correct? Is it possible that she be found guilty of the charges, but not receive the DP? If so, what would make the difference? Is it the jury who decide the penalty or are they only to determine guilt? If the former, what options would they have?

My apologies if these are silly questions, this is my first go round in closely following a case like this.

The punishment phase, also know as the penalty phase looks at additional evidence in support of the death penalty or in support of a life sentence.

So keeping in mind that I am a layperson and have no wish to impersonate a lawyer - and I fully expect AZLawyer or gitane to pop in and correct me, but reading from the Florida College of Advanced Studies re Conducting the Penalty Phase of a Capital Case......

State's Evidence in Support of the Death Penalty

-Aggravating Circumstances
-Prior Violent Felony and Under Sentence of Imprisonment, etc.
-Previous Conviction of Capital or Violent Felony
-Great Risk to Many Persons
-Felony Murder
-Avoiding Arrest or Escaping
-Pecuniary Gain
-Disrupt or Hinder Law Enforcement
-Heinous, Atrocious or Cruel (HAC)
-Cold Calculated and Premeditated
-Victim a Law Enforcement Officer
-Victim a Public Official
-Victim Less Than 12 Years of Age
-Victim Particularly Vulnerable Due to Age Etc.
-Defendant a Member of a Street Gang
-Capital Felony Committed By a Sexual Predator

 

[logicalgirl]

Defendant's Evidence In Support Of A Life Sentence

-Statutory Mitigating Circumstances
-No Signifcant Prior Criminal History
-Extreme Mental or Emotional Disturbance
-Victim Participated or Consented
-Victim was an Accomplice or Minor Participation by Defendant
-Defendant Under Extreme Duress or Domination by Another
-Capacity to Appreciate Conduct Substantially Impaired
-Age of the Defendant
-Other Statutory Mitigating Factors.

There is also a long list of Non-Statutory Mitigating Circumstances such as lack of intent to kill, support of family and friends, etc.

But what I see most of the fears about on this thread covering "Will She Walk" are actually covered in ICA receiving a Life Sentence or LWOP, instead of the Death Penalty.

So, my feelings are this is an either or question. ICA will either receive The Death Penalty or she will receive LWOP.

Will she walk - No!

 

[Solace]

The punishment phase, also know as the penalty phase looks at additional evidence in support of the death penalty or in support of a life sentence.

So keeping in mind that I am a layperson and have no wish to impersonate a lawyer - and I fully expect AZLawyer or gitane to pop in and correct me, but reading from the Florida College of Advanced Studies re Conducting the Penalty Phase of a Capital Case......

State's Evidence in Support of the Death Penalty

-Aggravating Circumstances
-Prior Violent Felony and Under Sentence of Imprisonment, etc.
-Previous Conviction of Capital or Violent Felony
-Great Rick to Many Persons
-Felony Murder
-Avoiding Arrest or Escaping
-Pecuniary Gain
-Disrupt or Hinder Law Enforcement
-Heinous, Atrocious or Cruel (HAC)
-Cold Calculated and Premeditated
-Victim a Law Enforcement Officer
-Victim a Public Official
-Victim Less Than 12 Years of Age
-Victim Particularly Vulnerable Due to Age Etc.
-Defendant a Member of a Street Gang
-Capital Felony Committed By a Sexual Predator

Another blunder by the defense according to Schaeffer - he said they should have never pled the felony charges before the criminal charges. Now the State has this also. And then of course the ultimate blunder getting rid of Strickland and getting Perry who has no problem sentencing someone to death he feels deserves it. That is 9 so far and no overturning except a partial ruling.

 

[logicalgirl]

The punishment phase, also know as the penalty phase looks at additional evidence in support of the death penalty or in support of a life sentence.

So keeping in mind that I am a layperson and have no wish to impersonate a lawyer - and I fully expect AZLawyer or gitane to pop in and correct me, but reading from the Florida College of Advanced Studies re Conducting the Penalty Phase of a Capital Case......

State's Evidence in Support of the Death Penalty

-Aggravating Circumstances
-Prior Violent Felony and Under Sentence of Imprisonment, etc.
-Previous Conviction of Capital or Violent Felony
-Great Risk to Many Persons
-Felony Murder
-Avoiding Arrest or Escaping
-Pecuniary Gain
-Disrupt or Hinder Law Enforcement
-Heinous, Atrocious or Cruel (HAC)
-Cold Calculated and Premeditated
-Victim a Law Enforcement Officer
-Victim a Public Official
-Victim Less Than 12 Years of Age
-Victim Particularly Vulnerable Due to Age Etc.
-Defendant a Member of a Street Gang
-Capital Felony Committed By a Sexual Predator

Yes, Solace, agree with your comments re prior Felony, and have added my own BBM for the one's I think will also bring ICA down for good.

 

[iluvmua]

Yes, Casey will walk..... Back & Forth to her Prison Cell everyday.

 

[Solace]

Yes, Solace, agree with your comments re prior Felony, and have added my own BBM for the one's I think will also bring ICA down for good.

Yep. Everyone wants to see her in the courtroom as all of this plays out - I think we will see a lot of anger from her as we did when Cheney mentioned bloggers way back and camera went to KC and she rolled her eyes.

She also somewhat rolled her eyes and shook her head in amazement when George said she was sitting handcuffed in the back of the car for about an hour. That lie was even hard for her to take in. But I think she could of at least tried - after all George was doing it for you KC.:waitasec:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Could ICA walk?? I would like to see her convicted. However, I'm bracing myself for the possibility one or more Jurors will have reasonable doubt. One can never predict what a Jury will do, imo.

:maddening: :maddening: :maddening:

BBM: I agree ... it is a "possibility" that a juror or two will have "reasonable doubt".

I hope and pray that the JURY will see ICA for who she truly is -- a heartless, cold-blooded, killer.

 

[MsRyber]

Who is going to support her during the penalty phase?

Two known liars (her parents) and her brother?
Mallory?
Maybe a teacher?

I am guessing Grandma and Grandpa and Uncle Rick won't be anywhere near her.
And none of her 'friends'.

That is what I want to know.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yep. Everyone wants to see her in the courtroom as all of this plays out - I think we will see a lot of anger from her as we did when Cheney mentioned bloggers way back and camera went to KC and she rolled her eyes.

She also somewhat rolled her eyes and shook her head in amazement when George said she was sitting handcuffed in the back of the car for about an hour. That lie was even hard for her to take in. But I think she could of at least tried - after all George was doing it for you KC.:waitasec:

BBM:

:cow: :cow:

I know this may sound "strange" or even "petty" ... but I personally "distrust" anyone who "rolls their eyes".

If I am sitting on a Jury and I see any one of the parties "rolling their eyes", that's it -- I would totally "distrust" what was said that triggered the "response of rolling eyes."

And ICA and Family have a "habit" of doing this ... and I am sure many of us know others who do it too.

I guess you could say it's just one of those "gestures" that just "gets on my nerves." Yes, sometimes eyes are rolled for "effect" but many times it is due to "dishonesty" or "sarcasm" ...

Well, thanks for the "rant" ...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Who is going to support her during the penalty phase?

Two known liars (her parents) and her brother?
Mallory?
Maybe a teacher?

I am guessing Grandma and Grandpa and Uncle Rick won't be anywhere near her.
And none of her 'friends'.

That is what I want to know.

Yep ... a very "short" list of supporters.

And I would guess that ICA, CA and GA have "alienated" all family, friends and neighbors ...

 

[Solace]

BBM:

:cow: :cow:

I know this may sound "strange" or even "petty" ... but I personally "distrust" anyone who "rolls their eyes".

If I am sitting on a Jury and I see any one of the parties "rolling their eyes", that's it -- I would totally "distrust" what was said that triggered the "response of rolling eyes."

And ICA and Family have a "habit" of doing this ... and I am sure many of us know others who do it too.

I guess you could say it's just one of those "gestures" that just "gets on my nerves." Yes, sometimes eyes are rolled for "effect" but many times it is due to "dishonesty" or "sarcasm" ...

Well, thanks for the "rant" ...

Cindy is really transparent when she is lying. She sometimes squints and slightly smiles when she is asked a question where she KNOWS she is going to lie. Her voice was extremely shakey and I wondered why because she has been through this a number of times and we have seen how self assured she is and how tough she can be. The only thing I could think of was Cindy is nervous - she knows she is going to be lying.

George just mumbles unbelievable and when he is caught on it, he fesses up. His testimony that Yuri said "you are never gonna see her again" was so ludicrous that even he had to keep talking. It was ridiculous.

And LDB has every page "-it ed" and she never has to go looking. ON the other hand, we could be there for days with the defense.

 

[Scamperoo]

Is anyone else deeply troubled and offended by that? And even the threat that the courts could be closed because of budget issues? Someone stop me if I am wrong here, but the courts are one of the constitutionally mandated roles of government, included right up front in both the US and every state constitution. They are supposed to get paid first, get cut last. They are one of the core functions of government. They are not supposed to be expected to be self financing at a local or regional level. They are something that the taxpayers are supposed to outright be paying for.

Agreed, but that's not the only troubling aspect, to me anyway, the fact that our courts system not only relies on but is dependent on the woes and financial distress of the public is morally repugnant. Is it possible that foreclosure is fast tracked to facilitate funding?, maybe, maybe not but they shouldn't have to be dependent on the fiscal responsibility of the general public.

 

[RR0004]

Yep ICA will walk.

After her appeals have been exhausted, and the Governor of FL refuses her families attempts at asking for a stay of execution.

She will take that long walk down the hall at Lowell correctional to a small room with a table. Her family and witnesses watching from behind a glass window. Then an EMT will begin with an injection of sodium pentothal, followed by pancuronium bromide, and finally given an injection of potassium chloride which will stop her heart. Then a physician will declare her dead.

From that point she will walk down another long hall towards a light where she will ultimately be judged.

So yeah ICA will walk.

I never thought I'd say this...not really a proponent of the death penalty...but I do hope I'm alive to see this.

 

[RR0004]

It wasn't until recently that I realized that Casey believes she WILL WALK. She has no doubt bought into whatever Baez is selling. It just amazes me that she is that detached from reality. Is it possible...and I don't mean this to be mean or anything...that she really isn't that smart? To be so unaware of what's happening around her just boggles my mind.