Could it be her brother?

[tiddermod]

I have been doing some reading

Where have you been doing this reading? This sounds like a bunch of misinformation spewed from JBRCE.

 

[Sophie-Renee]

Where have you been doing this reading? This sounds like a bunch of misinformation spewed from JBRCE.

Well acandyrose and past websleuth threads actually.

 

[Sophie-Renee]

s-Flight755-15thStreet.htm

From statements or evidence taken at the time, go down to "Neighbours" and there are a list of witnesses, with pieces of information to be considered how they all fit together, or not. I have read about the party on the 23rd many places , but one of the most discussed parts of it seems to be right HERE- The December 23 party- so I am simply bringing up discussions that are already being openly discussed on this site. It is not misinformation- or if it is, it is information that seems to be legitimate enough it is already up for general discussion. Maybe then my posts are in the wrong thread. If I am going off at too much of a tangent, I apologise but seems the "misinformation" is already doing the rounds.

 

[jaejae]

Here is a video with Laura Richards where she states the intruder theory was BS or as I might say b*****ks. Of course The Case Of JonBenet Ramsey concluded that Burke was the offender and they presented quite a lot of evidence to back this theory up:

 

[Swirlz]

The Case Of JonBenet Ramsey concluded that Burke was the offender and they presented quite a lot of evidence to back this theory up:

They showed video footage of Burke as a child giving police interviews and drew the conclusion from them that he was guilty even tho the professionals who actually conducted those interview sessions didn't think he even knew anything. They played the videos with creepy background noises in an attempt to make Burke's responses seem sinister.

They interviewed a friend of the family who described Burke not wanting her touch him and who said something about Patsy having told her Burke hit JonBenet on purpose once when he was 7.

Other than that they presented "evidence" of Burke having gotten fecal matter on a pair of pants and on a chocolates box in JonBenet's bedroom. Jim Kolar said in his AMA that neither of those items had either been collected or tested.

 

[jaejae]

They showed video footage of Burke as a child giving police interviews and drew the conclusion from them that he was guilty even tho the professionals who actually conducted those interview sessions didn't think he even knew anything. They played the videos with creepy background noises in an attempt to make Burke's responses seem sinister.

They interviewed a friend of the family who described Burke not wanting her touch him and who said something about Patsy having told her Burke hit JonBenet on purpose once when he was 7.

Other than that they presented "evidence" of Burke having gotten fecal matter on a pair of pants and on a chocolates box in JonBenet's bedroom. Jim Kolar said in his AMA that neither of those items had either been collected or tested.

Very good post and I will not disagree with anything you have said.

 

[Swirlz]

Thanks jaejae. That is nice of you.

 

[owsley]

They showed video footage of Burke as a child giving police interviews and drew the conclusion from them that he was guilty even tho the professionals who actually conducted those interview sessions didn't think he even knew anything. They played the videos with creepy background noises in an attempt to make Burke's responses seem sinister.

They interviewed a friend of the family who described Burke not wanting her touch him and who said something about Patsy having told her Burke hit JonBenet on purpose once when he was 7.

Other than that they presented "evidence" of Burke having gotten fecal matter on a pair of pants and on a chocolates box in JonBenet's bedroom. Jim Kolar said in his AMA that neither of those items had either been collected or tested.

Really good points, examples well-drawn, as always.

I think Burke was a child in the middle of a horribly twisted family, itself perhaps members of a larger coterie of evil, and Burke's actions, whatever they might have been, were not the reason for his sister's death.

 

[UKGuy]

All of this is very interesting. I have been doing some reading and as far as screaming goes , remember Melody Stanton? She was the neighbour over the road who seemed to change her story and be unsure. She went from saying she heard scraping sounds and screaming that awoke her between 12 and 2am. She later said it may have been a dream but also that she heard it 2 nights previous. None of the other neighbours report hearing screams on the night Jonbenet was murdered. But here's the thing - if she HAD heard it 2 nights previous and she believed it to be a childs' scream- that would have been early hours of December 24th- day after Patsy's Christmas party and this party is something that seems to keep coming up again and again.

One of Jonbenet's friends had apparently played with her on Christmas Eve and it was then Jonbenet mentioned she was expecting a sercret visit from Santa AFTER Christmas. The Ramseys claimed to know nothing about this. On the 23rd also is when 911 recieved a hang up call from the Ramsey number. It was alleged that Fleet White had tried to ring a hospital about some medication and rang 911 by mistake . Really??? Something does seem quite odd. Seems more likely someone was testing to see how long it would take for the police to get to the Ramsey home and how long they would have to leave the area after the murder.

Also, John Ramsey claimed he didn't know of Glenn Meyer who turned up at that party that day looking for his neighbour and friend, Joe Barnhill. Joe had taken Glenn Meyer in as a lodger and it must have been a recent thing because John Ramsey didn't seem to know the Barnhills even had a lodger. When he was asked if at the party Glenn Meyer had struck up a connection with Burke or JonBenet he said he didn't know. Again..Really? You happen to let anyone into your home even if they are someone's lodger, that you have never met before (as it tured out Glenn Meyer did have a criminal record.) and don't know or care if they are off alone with your kids?

Nearly if not all the Ramsey's neighbours were spoken to by police and taken tests. At the time Glenn Meyer was one of about 2 I think who is listed as unidentified- but we know his name because we know he was the Barnhills' lodger and Joe Barnhill named his lodger in his statment. Meyer said he went to bed at 9 with a virus and heard nothing. I am not saying he did it, but if he went to bed at 9, who knows if and when he may have sneaked out? (Perhaps she has an axe to grind) but was not so long ago Meyer's ex wife said she believed he was involved in JonBenet's murder (they had divorced in 1986) and he had been obsessed with her- whether she meant before or after she was killed, who knows. Police also found the letters S.B.T.C on a poster in the basement room he rented from the Barnhills. Meyer's handwriting sample had to be asked for twice- because first time around it was close to that of the ransom note. He was cleared by DNA but we already know that experts believe the DNA profile is of more than one person.So all this about suspects DNA being no match- NONE of them ever will be if they tested one piece of DNA at a time. I am not sure how all that works, but it seems to have been suggesting that if the DNA profile is mixed, just testing one of the people will give a negative result.

The Ramseys' seemed to have so many people coming and going from their home. On Decemeber 23rd there seems to have been so much going on too. The "accidental" 911 call, the scream that Melody Stanton heard , if not on the night of the 25th, then the night after the party, the scraping sounds, the first time Glenn Meyer visits the Ramsey home and the day BEFORE Jonbenet tells her friend that Santa will be paying her a "secret visit" after Christmas.

My hunch , assuming it was an intruder is they were at THAT party. My hunch is all involved may have even been there, assuming there was more than one involved..My hunch is it could explain why anyone there could have got a feel for the Ramsey home- while everyone is busy with the party and the kids, found information relating to John Ramseys' bonus and recent $1 billion landmark with Access Graphics, got hold of paper from Patsy's pad, Patsy's pen, put them in a bag and went away to prepare that long ransom note,to leave at the Ramsey home 2 nights later and make a beeline for JonBenets' bedroom which they now could locate in the home and picture in their mind. I may be wrong but it seems there is a bigger pitcure to the 23rd of Decemeber.

I can only assume the Ramseys' were asked about this party and all names of those in attendance were given and all people were tracked down and checked. But unfortunately if the Ramsey's didn't even know possibly the SURNAMES of all their guests whether invited or uninvited, that would cause a real problem. But I do believe this party is where and when this person may have got all they needed to plan for their dreadful crime 2 days later and of course, to talk to JonBenet .

Sophie-Renee,
Unless someone like Randall DeWitt Simons has crime-scene evidence in the form of photographs, then the intruder theory is dead in the water, it lacks forensic evidence. There is zero forensic evidence linking to anyone outside the Ramsey house.

In the early years of the case the intruder theory was assumed wisdom, over the years most of the evidence has been parsed showing there was no Foreign Faction, i.e. no multiple dna samples at the crime-scene, and that the killer needed inside knowledge, e.g. where the size-12's were kept, where Burke's longjohns were, etc. Not to forget that there was a wine-cellar in the basement.

So the case is now viewed through the prism of some Ramsey Did It.

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[sloane7777]

I have not read all the threads but I think that it might have have been her brother. I know what your thinking... how could a nine year old kill a little girl, much less his own sister. Whenever police got to the crime they found books in their house about sexually aggressive behavior and they think that Burke was sexually aggressive towards Jon Benet. One theory believes that her brother sexually assaulted her using an object and then killed her when something went wrong. (Or at least injured her. It's been awhile since I've heard it. Sorry.) So then we hen their parents found out they helped Burke kill her so that they would not have to lose another child. (They had lost another daughter before Jon Benet) I will leave a podcast. (Credit goes to them) JonBenet Ramsey Case – 129 from The Generation Why Podcast

I have never thought it was anyone other than him .

 

[UKGuy]

I have never thought it was anyone other than him .

sloane7777,
The case might be JDI, with Burke caught up in the circumstantial evidence along with Colorado's Statutes on protecting childrens privacy, etc.

Consider JR was involved with JonBenet prior to the day of her death. The forensic evidence suggests JonBenet was sexually assaulted in the days before she was killed, i.e. she had healed internal injuries.

This would give JonBenet's killer a motive to murder her!

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[sloane7777]

sloane7777,
The case might be JDI, with Burke caught up in the circumstantial evidence along with Colorado's Statutes on protecting childrens privacy, etc.

Consider JR was involved with JonBenet prior to the day of her death. The forensic evidence suggests JonBenet was sexually assaulted in the days before she was killed, i.e. she had healed internal injuries.

This would give JonBenet's killer a motive to murder her!

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I do agree with you , but the simplest explanation to me is B got pissed and whacked her in the head, if the scenario above happened I would think they had enough money to make things go away ( there's a million things I can think of to cover up that other than murder and why end the molesting) her attack seemed very angry personal , I just cant see any other reason to go into cover up mode like you are protecting someone else , I mean they were about to go on Vacay , if It were J , wouldn't it have been a lot easier to dispose of her in another way (like she wandered off and fell in lake etc) not bashing her head in and making an elaborate noose etc shouldn't he have known there would be a thorough autopsy that would be looked at , therefore essentially telling on yourself from the findings? this screams spur of the moment cover up , not planning for a few days to kill my child , I think this was done to save the other, its already known he had hit her several times , I think the kid is strange and I have one seriously autistic really unique child ( so that's coming from me ) and one that's on the spectrum somewhere, so I know how strange and violent kids can be, I see some familiarity in BR's actions etc. and I see two parents who are not willing to let the surviving child ruin the family name with a direct offspring murder, and I think they knew the kid had issues .

 

[Swirlz]

I think the point of the ransom note was to redirect police outside of the house in order to buy them more time. They had a trip planned to Michigan early that morning and relatives were expecting them, therefore their time was limited. I don't think John was intending to have the police camp out in his living room for an extended period of time.

Also, it isn't necessarily common knowledge that the Medical Examiner peels the scalp back.

I think a parent caused the death, unplanned. I don't think the head-blow was premeditated or intentional.

 

[owsley]

I think the point of the ransom note was to redirect police outside of the house in order to buy them more time. They had a trip planned to Michigan early that morning and relatives were expecting them, therefore their time was limited. I don't think John was intending to have the police camp out in his living room for an extended period of time.

Also, it isn't necessarily common knowledge that the Medical Examiner peels the scalp back.

I think a parent caused the death, unplanned. I don't think the head-blow was premeditated or intentional.

Accident, then, or unexpected byproduct of illegal activity?

 

[Swirlz]

Accident, then, or unexpected byproduct of illegal activity?

The scenario I think is most likely is that she screamed during a sexual assault (the scream the neighbor heard) and in a moment of rage and panic, the perpetrator struck her.

 

[UKGuy]

I do agree with you , but the simplest explanation to me is B got pissed and whacked her in the head, if the scenario above happened I would think they had enough money to make things go away ( there's a million things I can think of to cover up that other than murder and why end the molesting) her attack seemed very angry personal , I just cant see any other reason to go into cover up mode like you are protecting someone else , I mean they were about to go on Vacay , if It were J , wouldn't it have been a lot easier to dispose of her in another way (like she wandered off and fell in lake etc) not bashing her head in and making an elaborate noose etc shouldn't he have known there would be a thorough autopsy that would be looked at , therefore essentially telling on yourself from the findings? this screams spur of the moment cover up , not planning for a few days to kill my child , I think this was done to save the other, its already known he had hit her several times , I think the kid is strange and I have one seriously autistic really unique child ( so that's coming from me ) and one that's on the spectrum somewhere, so I know how strange and violent kids can be, I see some familiarity in BR's actions etc. and I see two parents who are not willing to let the surviving child ruin the family name with a direct offspring murder, and I think they knew the kid had issues .

sloane7777,
Sure BR had issues, but did he murder JonBenet, or did another family member do that because a visit to hospital or advance knowledge that an autopsy would reveal prior and current sexual abuse?

The Grand Jury charged both parents with counts of child abuse and child neglect, so I reckon you are right, they knew the kid had issues .

Not saying this is the correct interpretation, just one of many.

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[kay74]

Did anyone see on the news today, the guy who was jon benet's photographer was arrested for child ! Now that makes you wonder.

 

[owsley]

Did anyone see on the news today, the guy who was jon benet's photographer was arrested for child ! Now that makes you wonder.

It makes me wonder about child beauty pageants, the parents who enroll their daughters in them, and the hangers-on around that whole scene -- photographers who compile modeling portfolios for girls well-underage, like this guy. But it doesn't make me wonder if this guy entered an occupied dwelling in a well-policed neighborhood at night in the snow and killed JBR.

 

[kay74]

It makes me wonder about child beauty pageants, the parents who enroll their daughters in them, and the hangers-on around that whole scene -- photographers who compile modeling portfolios for girls well-underage, like this guy. But it doesn't make me wonder if this guy entered an occupied dwelling in a well-policed neighborhood at night in the snow and killed JBR.

They left I believe 4 doors unlocked out of 7. Also that broken window in the basement. They were gone for a long time, to a Christmas party.

 

[UKGuy]

Did anyone see on the news today, the guy who was jon benet's photographer was arrested for child ! Now that makes you wonder.

kay74,
Sure, does he have any illegal photographs of JonBenet, what does JR think of that?

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