Could Patsy's Cocktails Have Played A Part In Her Rage Attack?

[Tadpole12]

Craig Sliverman, former Chief Deputy DA in Denver was on Fox News just a little while ago. I will try to find the transcript for it, but until then...here is a little bit of what he said.

"Mary Lacy lost credibility with the Karr Fiasco."
"Karr arrest was gift to the Ramsey's".

Reporter and Silverman talk about the new DNA evidence....

Reporter: There has been new advances in Linquistics, tell us more about that.

Silverman: (Talking about the touch DNA that was found) "DNA evidence could be significant or contamination. There is a debate about that. As far as linquistics, we have the War and Peace of Ransom Notes here. There is alot of language, alot of handwriting, so it may be that some new sophisticated program can identify who wrote that ransom note, at least provide a good clue."

From Ames: We can ONLY HOPE!!!!

As far as linquistics, we have the War and Peace of Ransom Notes here. There is alot of language, alot of handwriting, so it may be that some new sophisticated program can identify who wrote that ransom note, at least provide a good clue."

That is an exciting proposition considering those possible advancements.
When did the case return to the DA's office, 2002?

 

[Tadpole12]

geese did not take down Pan Am 103, terrorists did!:furious:

Sorry kh, right ... "Pan Am 103" .... not water landing by heroic pilot in NY.... excuse my ignorance.

 

[Tadpole12]

Now, Tadpole, aren't you glad you asked me? -SD

Yes. You are super.

 

[BBB167893]

RDI should, at some point, concede that the DNA could be intruder DNA,

Holdon, I've ALWAYS said it COULD be intruder DNA. I'm just not convinced that it is.

And incidentally, why is it always RDI that has to concede things? You and I would get along a lot better if you would concede a few things. Actually, I take that back. Concede is too strong a word. Consider would be more appropriate. I'll settle for that.

and that likelyhood is raised beyond 'background DNA' to which you repeatedly refer. IMO without that concession, the argument appears as simple bias. That is, no matter what evidence is uncovered, RDI will persist its argument.

People in glass houses, my friend.

It is raised beyond 'background DNA' because it is found in multiple places that are associated with sexual assault activity.

True. I can see that. But you forget: you have to believe there was a legitimate sexual assault to start with. It's pretty clear there wasn't one. It's that little staging thing that bothers you so much.

Media reported DNA found in fingernails, longjohns, and underwear. These locations are not the same as face, hands, or feet.

Holdon, I didn't post all that about Dechaine for my health, you know. Sarah Cherry had been the victim of a REAL sexual assault, and Dechaine's defenders are and have been making the same claims about that DNA that you're making. Think about it.

They're where the criminal actions were taking place.

That's the kind of assuming that led to this mess in the first place, IMVHO.

The possibility that the DNA belongs to an intruder isn't considered at all, per your post.

Hey, don't give me that! You were the one who started it. YOU were the one who said that Tadpole should hear both sides and decide for him/herself. That's what I'm offering: a chance to make up your own mind.

It is, however, a real possibility that can't be rationally discounted.

A real possibility, yes. But you ask around here, Holdon. Many words can be used to describe me, and not all of them are flattering. But "irrational" is probably not one of 'em.

 

[BBB167893]

Nor was there any media comment on 'contaminated DNA' possibly belonging to evidence handlers.

Where do you get this stuff?

1) Actually, there was.

2) Where? Let's see: Bill Wise, Michael Baden, Craig Silverman...

 

[kh1967]

Sorry kh, right ... "Pan Am 103" .... not water landing by heroic pilot in NY.... excuse my ignorance.

I didnt mean to sound snarky, I lost a very good friend on that flight.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon, I didn't post all that about Dechaine for my health, you know. Sarah Cherry had been the victim of a REAL sexual assault, and Dechaine's defenders are and have been making the same claims about that DNA that you're making. Think about it.

A REAL sexual assault, as opposed to a FAKE sexual assault?

Does the FAKE sexual assault go along with the FAKE kidnapping, FAKE ransom note, FAKE spelling, FAKE wrist ligature, and the NON-CRIMINAL DNA?

 

[JMO8778]

A REAL sexual assault, as opposed to a FAKE sexual assault?

Does the FAKE sexual assault go along with the FAKE kidnapping, FAKE ransom note, FAKE spelling, FAKE wrist ligature, and the NON-CRIMINAL DNA?

YOU got it!! a staged assault along with a fake kidnapping (body never left the home);note was to point to someone other than occupants of the home;yes,Patsy,the Journalism major,surely did KNOW how to spell a 4th grade word;wrist ligature was so loose it fell off;and transferrable dna could have come from anyone.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

YOU got it!! a staged assault along with a fake kidnapping (body never left the home);note was to point to someone other than occupants of the home;yes,Patsy,the Journalism major,surely did KNOW how to spell a 4th grade word;wrist ligature was so loose it fell off;and transferrable dna could have come from anyone.

Its almost like everything is just erased.

No foreign faction, no ransom, no kidnapping, no sexual assault, no wrist ligature, no 'real' strangulation, no criminal DNA.

Wow thats a mighty big eraser you have there. How does a trace of critical evidence not get obfuscated by it.

I don't think the intruder has anything to worry about for a while.

 

[GingBreade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH9PesH7Wbg

Check out Patsy's hands starting at 1:14 till 1:18 or so. WTF?

 

[RiverRat]

A REAL sexual assault, as opposed to a FAKE sexual assault?

Does the FAKE sexual assault go along with the FAKE kidnapping, FAKE ransom note, FAKE spelling, FAKE wrist ligature, and the NON-CRIMINAL DNA?

Pretty much. The World is a Stage and since John blames The World for JonBenet's Murder.....the above was all staging!

 

[Gummishoe]

Did the Autopsy show evidence of alcohol in any of the tests?

 

[BBB167893]

A REAL sexual assault, as opposed to a FAKE sexual assault?

Precisely! Look, if you want me to go into the gory details, I don't like it, but I will!

Does the FAKE sexual assault go along with the FAKE kidnapping, FAKE ransom note, FAKE spelling, FAKE wrist ligature, and the NON-CRIMINAL DNA?

I believe that was the general idea I was trying to get across.

 

[JMO8778]

I don't think the intruder has anything to worry about for a while.

..then it's quite odd he hasn't struck again,considering there is no fear....

 

[BBB167893]

Its almost like everything is just erased.

No foreign faction, no ransom, no kidnapping, no sexual assault, no wrist ligature, no 'real' strangulation, no criminal DNA.

Think of it as "erasing" the mud from a car's paintjob.

I don't think the intruder has anything to worry about for a while.

Me, neither.

 

[DeeDee249]

Did the Autopsy show evidence of alcohol in any of the tests?

No. No drugs of any kind (including alcohol) were found in the toxicology report.
While some posters may be squeamish, reading the autopsy report (there are no photos in the written report) is really something every one interested in the case on the forums should do. It really will give you a better idea of the events of that night, and previous injuries that are suspect. While the language is technical, of course, it can be understood, and there will be people here who can answer some questions about some things if needed.

 

[JMO8778]

I wonder about that,though.Former prosecutor Wendy Murphy said that there can be more than one tox test sometimes.JAT.

 

[JMO8778]

Case in point, tadpole. This IS backpedaling.

oh don't be fooled.the RST loves it when we disagree,for without us...they'd wouldn't have a JOB

 

[BBB167893]

oh don't be fooled.the RST loves it when we disagree,for without us...they'd wouldn't have a JOB

It's a two-way street, JMO8778. Keeps it interesting.

 

[Ames]

Its almost like everything is just erased.

No foreign faction, no ransom, no kidnapping, no sexual assault, no wrist ligature, no 'real' strangulation, no criminal DNA.

Wow thats a mighty big eraser you have there. How does a trace of critical evidence not get obfuscated by it.

I don't think the intruder has anything to worry about for a while.

Yep, you got it. Even Marc Klaas (father of crime victim, Polly) doesn't believe that there was an intruder. I asked him about it on a webchat. He should have a better perspective of this, than anybody...since he has been there...and done that...unfortunately.