Court TV Jon Benet: Anatomy of a Cold Case will air Thurs. 06/29/06

[narlacat]

Sure.
But we all copy dvd's, pc games etc...I don't think too much comes of it.

Maybe they do know it is illegal I don't know, one of them has a cousin dying of cancer and is trying to raise funds for her treatment.

 

[Jayelles]

Sure.
But we all copy dvd's, pc games etc...I don't think too much comes of it.

Maybe they do know it is illegal I don't know, one of them has a cousin dying of cancer and is trying to raise funds for her treatment.

I know for a fact that there have been many, many prosecutions from illegal sales of copyrighted material on Ebay. If the programme makers find out that these kids are cashing in on their work, they won't be interested in cousins dying of cancer.

Selling copyrighted material is stealing. I won't be part of that.

 

[Camper]

IF any given person was in the circumstance of flying here and there on a private plane, and had friends whose families had planes, whats the chance someone could be in one state one minute and once they flew over the state line they are in another state, duh, huh. Plus they could sit at their own dinner table with family that night five states away from where they weren't, having waved at the neighbors while walking into dinner with the 'family'. I'd say it would be entirely possible. Concrete PROOF about WHO made the $10,000.00 offer for an accident was not chased down, MOO.

Almost like a Clinton like thingie, about the definition of 'is', er wuz, er wuzen't. He wuzen't 'in' the state.

A person could not be proven to have been someplace if no one they knew saw them, OR if the people who saw them, did not know them. OR IF like on the who done it shows, when the PI drags a picture around to the bars and places where the PI thinks the suspect or hunted person MIGHT have been likely to have visited, and asks, "Have you ever seen this person?"

I donut think Jane Harmer had a picture of the older son, ya think? Woulda been a nice touch for a detective.

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Hey I liked my post so much I am posting it again.

Wouldn't you think that BPD investigating a murder case, would have gotten a picture of the oldest son, and found BOATMAN themselves and showed him pictures of maybe 5 or six males, and included the picture of the oldest son to VERIFY his tale? OR would that have been violating someones rights?

Well apparently the only things that musta been done were to contact the Ramseys attorneys, who said the oldest son was not in Michigan during the time of the indecent proposal.

And BPD must have tracked the man by phone to the Waterford PD, somehow. This is all part of the mushroom country that WS'ers live in. Kept in the dark about precise information on the case.

Wouldn't you have thought a high priced attorney would have wanted to provide a picture to totally clear the son, nooooo probably not.

With the law such as it has become, police often have their hands tied behind their backs in many vital areas of an investigation. The bare lightbulb questionings of the past are gone.

When someone comes forth as a potential and VITAL witness, some slack should be allowed for investigative pursuit to get to the heart of the matter, imop.

I sadly missed the program on Court TV! Could someone post points of interest?

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[Cypros]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I followed this case, but not minutely. Last night was the first I'd heard of the teabag in the glass, nearby the bowl of pineapple. Teabags in glasses, rather than cups, is a mid-East practice. This ties in with the "faction" quote in the note. Garrots are also more common in the mid-East. Perhaps Jon Benet was one of the early victims of terrorists.

I needed a good laugh. First of all, I know many, many, good ole Americans who drink their tea from a glass -- and for some it is the preferred way. Secondly, people in the Middle East do not commonly use tea bags. They brew their tea the old fashioned way and usually cringe at the lousy tea bag version so popular with Americans. Thirdly, in the Middle East, tea is served in small glasses (a bit larger than shot glasses) not tall water glasses.

As noted elsewhere, Burke was known to drink tea, and the use of a tea bag in a water glass didn't cause any surprise with the parents, plus his fingerprints were found on the glass, so I think it is safe to concude that the tea was Burke's.

 

[Rupert]

Hey I liked my post so much I am posting it again.

Wouldn't you think that BPD investigating a murder case, would have gotten a picture of the oldest son, and found BOATMAN themselves and showed him pictures of maybe 5 or six males, and included the picture of the oldest son to VERIFY his tale? OR would that have been violating someones rights?

Well apparently the only things that musta been done were to contact the Ramseys attorneys, who said the oldest son was not in Michigan during the time of the indecent proposal.

And BPD must have tracked the man by phone to the Waterford PD, somehow. This is all part of the mushroom country that WS'ers live in. Kept in the dark about precise information on the case.

Wouldn't you have thought a high priced attorney would have wanted to provide a picture to totally clear the son, nooooo probably not.

With the law such as it has become, police often have their hands tied behind their backs in many vital areas of an investigation. The bare lightbulb questionings of the past are gone.

When someone comes forth as a potential and VITAL witness, some slack should be allowed for investigative pursuit to get to the heart of the matter, imop.

I sadly missed the program on Court TV! Could someone post points of interest?

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Camper,
When you think of it, no stone unturned, then indeed why wasn't a photo submitted to Boatman? (do we know that for sure?) And yeah I know - why no Christmas videos that year?

I would like to see the picture of the ATM alibi.

Also, who else would know all those kidnap/movie/crime/foreign faction stuff? But a young male student.

Just for fun:
Who else would know NI plus APAC? S.B.T.C = the S.B.T.C Group (the Stop Bombing Thirdworld Countries Group) (the "follow our instructions to the letter" Group).

 

[Camper]

Camper,
When you think of it, no stone unturned, then indeed why wasn't a photo submitted to Boatman? (do we know that for sure?) And yeah I know - why no Christmas videos that year?

I would like to see the picture of the ATM alibi.

Also, who else would know all those kidnap/movie/crime/foreign faction stuff? But a young male student.

Just for fun:
Who else would know NI plus APAC? S.B.T.C = the S.B.T.C Group (the Stop Bombing Thirdworld Countries Group) (the "follow our instructions to the letter" Group).

Hey Rupert, I like yer thinking! Undercover guys today I think wear teeny cameras in their eyeglasses, er disguised in their tie material patterning, er in their toupees, so they can TAKE a picture of the person to 'whom they are speaking'. The old saying a picture is worth a thousand words could have had this case solved by now.

However, I do think that the person who made the indecent proposal, was probably under the influence of something stronger than coffee. I for one would not want to plan a direct hit boating accident to kill my companion, and expect me to jump to safety at that last moment. Hirky to say the least.

Someone who wanted a direct hit accident in summer, could most certainly have killed the victim that December. MOO.

As to the veracity of the BPD investigation (whatever it was) all we folk in mushroom country read was that Jane Harmer made a phone call to verify. Then someone else posted, that BPD had sent investigators to MI, donut knot IF any of em went to Waterford or not.

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[Camper]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



I needed a good laugh. First of all, I know many, many, good ole Americans who drink their tea from a glass -- and for some it is the preferred way. Secondly, people in the Middle East do not commonly use tea bags. They brew their tea the old fashioned way and usually cringe at the lousy tea bag version so popular with Americans. Thirdly, in the Middle East, tea is served in small glasses (a bit larger than shot glasses) not tall water glasses.

As noted elsewhere, Burke was known to drink tea, and the use of a tea bag in a water glass didn't cause any surprise with the parents, plus his fingerprints were found on the glass, so I think it is safe to concude that the tea was Burke's.

Cypros, my daughter in law, brought me two boxes of Turkish tea, and they were both 'tea bags'. She and my son lived in Turkey for two years and are going back on assignment this year. Tea drinkers are persistant, and will drink tea anyway they can get it. imop.

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[Cypros]

Cypros, my daughter in law, brought me two boxes of Turkish tea, and they were both 'tea bags'. She and my son lived in Turkey for two years and are going back on assignment this year. Tea drinkers are persistant, and will drink tea anyway they can get it. imop.

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Yes, that is true. A normally brewed tea drinker will drink tea from a teabag if there is nothing else. I am not arguing that. I am arguing against the ludicrous theory that it was probably Middle Eastern terrorists because there is a tea bag in a glass. That's all.

 

[K777angel]

The one piece of evidence - THE most important piece of evidence - in this case that is pivotal and will forever link Patsy Ramsey to the crime scene is of course the Note.

Even at first glance it screams FAKE. The sheer length of it was a huge red flag. That's before ever reading the content - not to mention the familiar "lingo" unique to Patsy. Who just HAPPENED to be in the house the night of JonBenet's death. Out of the 6 or 7 Billion people in the world....

And her handwriting, even though disguised, cannot be excluded.

On the infamous LKL show where Steve Thomas confronted the Ramsey's, Steve Thomas point blank asked Patsy Ramsey why she "changed her handwriting after the murder."
Of course she denied it.
I remember reading a post long ago by someone (before the LKL show with Steve Thomas) who claimed to have been on a flight that Patsy Ramsey was on and this person observed her practicing handwriting. Experimenting writing letters different ways.
Of course we cannot prove this happened - but it was believable at the time I read it I remember.

The note was fake.
The note was meant only to divert attention away from what really happened.
The note claimed they kidnapped JonBenet.
JonBenet was not kidnapped.
The note demanded money.
No money was ever sought.

Who would write a lengthy, dramatic ransom note that was fake?
Someone who knew and was horrified at what had happened during the night and terrified of the consequences.
Someone who was desparate.
Either for themself - or someone they were desparately trying to protect.

Of all the people in the world that Christmas night, the evidence and circumstances all point to no one but Patsy Ramsey.

That's just the truth of it.

May she rest in peace.
~Angel~

 

[RPPaolin]

Was there any blood or blood spatter due to the head injury any where in that house? I am just curious.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Was there any blood or blood spatter due to the head injury any where in that house? I am just curious.

nope, not a drop. It was a closed injury, never broke the skin, just her little skull

 

[Camper]

Well said K777angel. One other tiny note, from the latest LKL rehash TV show, I noted Patsy swung both arms one time or another for emphasis.

I repeat, she was an artist, she was proved to be ambidextrous, and she was a creative person both with words and in her life in general.

I do in fact believe she spent the remainder of her life protecting a family secret.

Many mothers would have perhaps done the same, given the same disastrous circumstances.

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[BBB167893]

Sure is nice when someone sums it up, K777angel.

There was something else. A handwriting expert said that her left-handed samples were an almost perfect match.

 

[sissi]

I watched the program last night when it re-aired. I saw NOT ONE autopsy photo, nor did I hear any mention of male caucasian dna. Was it edited out?

 

[Camper]

I too watched it for the first time last night on court TV.

Lots of individual highlighting of individual experts, who gave their side of their expertise on specifics.

NOW I would like to see all the smart detectives you could line up from all over the world and put them in ONE ROOM, and have them analyse and come up with a COURT CASE.

You can have some eggs here, two lemons there, flour in a bag, and you do not have a lemon pie.

LETS get the finest heads together to make a LEMON PIE case.

I do not remember them classifying the dna as a males last night and it certainly was not mentioned that it was Caucasion unless my memory is totally shot. I will watch for this program again and tape it next time. Too much to assimilate in one sitting.

The actual picture of the blood in JonBenets panties was more substantial than I had expected to see. Anyone remember if the autopsy reported whether the hyman was previously broken? All I sort of remember was that the area was larger than most. Perhaps from slow and steady stretching to enlarge, I am guessing that could be possible.

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[Jayelles]

I watched the program last night when it re-aired. I saw NOT ONE autopsy photo, nor did I hear any mention of male caucasian dna. Was it edited out?

Perhaps the programme makers read here, checked their facts and edited it out...?

Or perhaps the RST who claimed the programme stated "male caucasian DNA" cleaned their ears out...?

Or perhaps the RST who claimed the programme stated "male caucasian DNA" only heard what they wanted to hear the first time around?

Thanks for reporting back.

 

[BBB167893]

That's a groovy thought, Jay, but it's more likely it was never there. It happens. I can watch something and remember it completely different than when I see it the second time. Happens to me quite frequently.

"The actual picture of the blood in JonBenets panties was more substantial than I had expected to see."

Camper, the fact that there were only spots of blood, and not a large area of it, is yet another indication of prior abuse, at least according to Dr. Judianne Densen-Gerber (former wife of Michael Baden).

"Anyone remember if the autopsy reported whether the hyman was previously broken?"

The autopsy said that the hymen was greatly worn away, not broken. About seven pathologists said that there was almost no hymen left in that area, if any.

"All I sort of remember was that the area was larger than most."

That is correct. It measured 1x1 cm, which is twice the normal size. Your guess would seem to be the correct one, for all I know. But even then, I can't be sure it wasn't just two kids messing around. For me, the question is not "if." It's who and why. That's the real mystery.

 

[sissi]

Camper I made a one am phone call to the person that joined me in the first viewing. They agreed that if I didn't see it last night, it must have been edited out,or I missed it, now the question is why. Was I having blank spots in my vision and hearing last night or was it "removed"? They paused it last time to keep still shots of the autopsy photo, there was no such photo last night. The male caucasian dna was mentioned at least three times in the first airing, I didn't hear it at all last night.

 

[Jayelles]

I do think it's possible that she was murdered to shut her up re abuse. Either that or her killer really hated her.

 

[BBB167893]

"I do think it's possible that she was murdered to shut her up re abuse."

That one keeps me wondering, too.