Crime Scene Animation by Websleuths Member grayhuze

[SevenSins]

well, I actually increased the brain size to make it more likely to be hit by a bullet.

But you're still using a rigid model inside a skull that it wasn't "made" for. If you took out my brain, turned it into plastic and then placed it inside of your skull, it wouldn't fit correctly, regardless of how many times you could magically increase or decrease its size without making any other changes.

 

[grayhuze]

But you're still using a rigid model inside a skull that it wasn't "made" for. If you took out my brain, turned it into plastic and then placed it inside of your skull, it wouldn't fit correctly, regardless of how many times you could magically increase or decrease its size without making any other changes.

I don't know what you are trying to say at all. Oh well.

 

[grayhuze]

Granted it initially looks like he could be posing in the shots with his arms up and his back to her, but then he rinses his hair under the spray, and that convinced me he was just taking a shower, plus after that he looks totally startled to see her there. I think if he was sitting out of fear/being forced, then that was when she had stun gunned him to get him into position. I agree she wanted to kill him in the shower and not have to clean up all the mess. She clearly abandoned those efforts.

So you are all in on the stun gun?

 

[grayhuze]

If you took out my brain, turned it into plastic and then placed it inside of your skull, without making any other changes.

I purchased an anatomically correct software package for over 300 bucks. the brain fits right inside the head where it is suppose to be. I did enlarge it though to make it more likely the bullet would hit the brain, but it did not.

 

[Hatfield]

We all bring our own experiences to the table as we listened to the trial evidence and to some extent our own experiences in life help drive how we interpret things.

I'm in the shot first camp and have been for a very long time. I can list some of the reasons how I got to where I am at.

One of the reasons is I can relate to a jammed gun because like I mentioned before, it has happened to me on many occasions. I have a .22 semi-automatic that jams every time unless I use a certain type of ammunition. Once I get this certain type, it works fine. So I think its very possible Jodi intended to shoot him dead in the shower and would have kept on shooting had her gun not jammed. So I tend to believe her gun jammed after that 1st shot and she threw the gun to the floor and ran backwards some since she no longer had the advantage without her weapon.

The 2nd thing I can relate to.
I actually have the same type of gun JA used. I have a small .25 and so I know the type of shell it uses which is very small. Not much bigger than a .22 It is a small caliber round and not very powerful as compared to larger guns.

So with my experiences, I can easily see where that small round may not have dropped Travis to the point where he could not get up. Especially if the round only just glanced the brain area.

And I have heard of many real life stories of people taking severe shots to various portions of their body and still able to walk at least for a little bit. One burglar was shot 5 times and he still kept going. Placement of that shot is just too much of a question as to whether it would have dropped him and so that is one thing I take into consideration.

And I know this is a silly example but it brings up a good point that living beings can still function sometimes with extreme injuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken

The 3rd thing
is just trying to understand what happened before the sink, and I can just envision Travis being shot and getting to the sink area to investigate his injury. When people get shot, they sometimes have a tough time understanding where they got shot. Travis may have been in somewhat shock and managed to get to the sink so he could identify where the wound was so he could help himself. Where if it was a knife wound first, I think Travis would not have been as likely to investigate the wound in the mirror. With a knife wound first, I think he would have known exactly where the wound was and in JMO he would not have needed to go to the mirror and would have just grabbed for a towel or something else to stop the bleeding.

These are just 3 things that are all JMO and just wanted to share them to show how my own personal experiences come into play with how I interpreted the evidence presented.
I think we all bring things to the table and this helps explain how we all can have differing views on something like this, when the evidence was not solid enough to know for sure one way or the other.

 

[SevenSins]

I don't know what you are trying to say at all. Oh well.

"Square peg, round hole."

Do you or do you not agree that skulls come in all different shapes and sizes? Do you or do you not agree that brains are "squishy," for lack of a better term, rather than solid objects, and tend to take on the form of the cavity that they grow within? Were you present during the autopsy of Travis Alexander? Have you ever viewed a series of MRI images taken of the victim's brain while he was alive? If not, how did you determine the shape and size of the "skull" used in your animations, and how did you determine the shape and size of the brain that you put into it? Now add to that the fact that there aren't big, empty spaces in between structures inside the head, and that bullets don't always travel in a perfectly straight line(as the evidence shows that this one did not), particularly small-caliber bullets passing through bone and aforementioned structures inside the head.

 

[Hatfield]

Ive been researching if people can sometimes function even if that shot did enter the space in question and I have concluded that since the bullet was relatively small, that under just the right conditions, i think it is possible he could have gotten up after the shot. Below is just 1 article along these lines. There are many other examples of severe brain injuries where people had mobility after the injury. So IMO, I think its possible in this case that Travis had mobility even if the shot glanced the area in question.

"Valadka, chief of neurosurgery at Houston's Ben Taub General Hospital.....did not work on Hayman's case, but said a few years ago he handled the case of a teenager who recovered from a nail gun wound to the brain."

"Medical and popular literature contains other examples of people who lived through such wounds, and in many cases remained lucid and functioning during their injuries."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116626&page=1

 

[grayhuze]

Ive been researching if people can sometimes function even if that shot did enter the space in question and I have concluded that since the bullet was relatively small, that under just the right conditions, i think it is possible he could have gotten up after the shot. Below is just 1 article along these lines. There are many other examples of severe brain injuries where people had mobility after the injury. So IMO, I think its possible in this case that Travis had mobility even if the shot glanced the area in question.

"Valadka, chief of neurosurgery at Houston's Ben Taub General Hospital.....did not work on Hayman's case, but said a few years ago he handled the case of a teenager who recovered from a nail gun wound to the brain."

"Medical and popular literature contains other examples of people who lived through such wounds, and in many cases remained lucid and functioning during their injuries."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116626&page=1

It happens and is not all that rare, despite what some people think

 

[grayhuze]

We all bring our own experiences to the table as we listened to the trial evidence and to some extent our own experiences in life help drive how we interpret things.

I'm in the shot first camp and have been for a very long time. I can list some of the reasons how I got to where I am at.

One of the reasons is I can relate to a jammed gun because like I mentioned before, it has happened to me on many occasions. I have a .22 semi-automatic that jams every time unless I use a certain type of ammunition. Once I get this certain type, it works fine. So I think its very possible Jodi intended to shoot him dead in the shower and would have kept on shooting had her gun not jammed. So I tend to believe her gun jammed after that 1st shot and she threw the gun to the floor and ran backwards some since she no longer had the advantage without her weapon.

The 2nd thing I can relate to.
I actually have the same type of gun JA used. I have a small .25 and so I know the type of shell it uses which is very small. Not much bigger than a .22 It is a small caliber round and not very powerful as compared to larger guns.

So with my experiences, I can easily see where that small round may not have dropped Travis to the point where he could not get up. Especially if the round only just glanced the brain area.

And I have heard of many real life stories of people taking severe shots to various portions of their body and still able to walk at least for a little bit. One burglar was shot 5 times and he still kept going. Placement of that shot is just too much of a question as to whether it would have dropped him and so that is one thing I take into consideration.

And I know this is a silly example but it brings up a good point that living beings can still function sometimes with extreme injuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken

The 3rd thing
is just trying to understand what happened before the sink, and I can just envision Travis being shot and getting to the sink area to investigate his injury. When people get shot, they sometimes have a tough time understanding where they got shot. Travis may have been in somewhat shock and managed to get to the sink so he could identify where the wound was so he could help himself. Where if it was a knife wound first, I think Travis would not have been as likely to investigate the wound in the mirror. With a knife wound first, I think he would have known exactly where the wound was and in JMO he would not have needed to go to the mirror and would have just grabbed for a towel or something else to stop the bleeding.

These are just 3 things that are all JMO and just wanted to share them to show how my own personal experiences come into play with how I interpreted the evidence presented.
I think we all bring things to the table and this helps explain how we all can have differing views on something like this, when the evidence was not solid enough to know for sure one way or the other.

right on! Not sure if this gives you a scarlet letter, but I agree with everything you wrote. All of those things I used in my conclusions.

 

[grayhuze]

Ive been researching if people can sometimes function even if that shot did enter the space in question and I have concluded that since the bullet was relatively small, that under just the right conditions, i think it is possible he could have gotten up after the shot. Below is just 1 article along these lines. There are many other examples of severe brain injuries where people had mobility after the injury. So IMO, I think its possible in this case that Travis had mobility even if the shot glanced the area in question.

"Valadka, chief of neurosurgery at Houston's Ben Taub General Hospital.....did not work on Hayman's case, but said a few years ago he handled the case of a teenager who recovered from a nail gun wound to the brain."

"Medical and popular literature contains other examples of people who lived through such wounds, and in many cases remained lucid and functioning during their injuries."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116626&page=1

You are going to get the classic the nail doesn't cause "a shock wave" in response. I show people Phineas Gage http://www.carmelodimauro.com/?tag=phineas-gage and I get the same response.

 

[SevenSins]

I mentioned the structures of the head in my previous post. The human head contains a fairly complex vascular system. A bullet tearing through these structures should have caused hemorrhaging in a person who was alive at the time. As per the medical examiner's report, "without gross evidence of significant intracranial hemorrhage." Please explain how this evidence fits into your theory.

 

[SevenSins]

whoever put the notes in that video is wrong. How could the entry point be in the lower half of the skull? That makes no sense.

The entry point isn't in the lower half of the skull. The ME made it very clear during his testimony that the skullcap was removed above the entry wound. Since he's the one who performed the autopsy, I'm going to go ahead and take his word for it that what he's pointing out in the video as being the entrance wound is, in fact, the entrance wound.

and then a rod from the entry hold through the hole when the bullet reenters the face

You still appear to be under the assumption that bullets always travel in a straight line when passing through matter.

 

[grayhuze]

I mentioned the structures of the head in my previous post. The human head contains a fairly complex vascular system. A bullet tearing through these structures should have caused hemorrhaging in a person who was alive at the time. As per the medical examiner's report, "without gross evidence of significant intracranial hemorrhage." Please explain how this evidence fits into your theory.

without "significant" means there was bleeding but no much remained. Travis bled out. You can see from the autopsy there was blood in his nose...but after the neck wound Travis completely bled out as Dr. Horn suggested. Anyhow, we just disagree and I have had these exact same debates over and over. some people agree and some don't.

 

[grayhuze]

The entry point isn't in the lower half of the skull. The ME made it very clear during his testimony that the skullcap was removed above the entry wound. Since he's the one who performed the autopsy, I'm going to go ahead and take his word for it that what he's pointing out in the video as being the entrance wound is, in fact, the entrance wound.



You still appear to be under the assumption that bullets always travel in a straight line when passing through matter.

Well you are also incorrect. You can see the foramen magnum which is on the lower half of the skull where the spinal chord connects with the brain. That is the portion of the skull we are looking at. How could the entry point which was in Travis' forehead be in that image when that part of the skull is not showing?

 

[grayhuze]

The entry point isn't in the lower half of the skull. The ME made it very clear during his testimony that the skullcap was removed above the entry wound. Since he's the one who performed the autopsy, I'm going to go ahead and take his word for it that what he's pointing out in the video as being the entrance wound is, in fact, the entrance wound.



You still appear to be under the assumption that bullets always travel in a straight line when passing through matter.

I do see that the frontal lobe would be settling in that area and Horn does say there is and entry and an exit point I wish we had where he put the arrows not the one making the video. Anyhow, I too, believe the bullet traveled into the skull, I just think it either only grazed the brain or missed it, going right under it like the arrows even suggest. Horn said the brain was symmetrical and that there was no signs of a bullet track (althought the brain was "somewhat" decomposed" Somewhat means mild.

 

[SevenSins]

without "significant" means there was bleeding but no much remained. Travis bled out. You can see from the autopsy there was blood in his nose...but after the neck wound Travis completely bled out as Dr. Horn suggested. Anyhow, we just disagree and I have had these exact same debates over and over. some people agree and some don't.

It doesn't really work that way. If you shoot a person or animal through the skull while that person or animal is still alive, and particularly if they remain alive, those tissues swell, hemorrhage, and trap blood which then would form clots and not simply "drain out" through an open neck wound.

 

[grayhuze]

The entry point isn't in the lower half of the skull. The ME made it very clear during his testimony that the skullcap was removed above the entry wound. Since he's the one who performed the autopsy, I'm going to go ahead and take his word for it that what he's pointing out in the video as being the entrance wound is, in fact, the entrance wound.



You still appear to be under the assumption that bullets always travel in a straight line when passing through matter.

You might also notice that the image that Kevin Horn is talking about isn't the image that the producer of the video chose to put arrows on. If you notice juan is about to put this image on the overhead. the image horn was discussing was already on the overhead. So, this image is not accurately depicting what horn was talking about. unless there is another projector over there.

 

[SevenSins]

Horn said the brain was symmetrical and that there was no signs of a bullet track (althought the brain was "somewhat" decomposed" Somewhat means mild.

Have you ever examined a brain after over a week of decomp? If not, you should, and then you might better appreciate and understand the significance of the term "somewhat."

 

[grayhuze]

View attachment 69590
I captured and changed the contrast of that image. It is interesting.
You can kind of make out a little better perhaps what the person was trying to display in the video. I do see two dark spots.

 

[grayhuze]

Have you ever examined a brain after over a week of decomp? If not, you should, and then you might better appreciate and understand the significance of the term "somewhat."

No thanks.