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[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

I tend to agree. It's unlike any outer doors that I've ever seen here in the US.

Also, if you look at identifying clues in the photos, and the angles at which they're taken, I don't believe that the house is as elevated as you might think. Look at the tree and the blue bins in the background at the end of the porch. The land definitely appears to be sloped but I'm as sure as I can be that Raven is standing at or near a set of steps to the front lawn and path to the driveway. (It actually reminds me very much of one of my uncle's homes with the big bushes out front.)

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG

This image finally opened for me. The steps are behind Janet, in front of the front door. There's a welcome mat at the top of the stairs.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Look again at the bins by the tree. Is it possible that that could be stuff that they were taking with them for the trip? If so, it looks as if it's stacked there so that it could be carried to the car.
And in the following photo, you can see the Abaroa's driveway but it also appears that you can see a second road or driveway in the right side of the photo, closer to the top. This would seem in line with the satellite image of the Abaroa's driveway and the driveway for the house to the south of them. But I also wonder if that is the main road itself.

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0403.JPG

I wonder if the paved area behind Janet is actually the neighbor's driveway - see how it turns and goes away from the house in the left of the picture. There's an area on the right edge of the photo, about 1/3 of the way from the bottom - right next to and between the bush looks like it could be a paved area. I'm wondering if that is part of the Abaroa's driveway.

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http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

This might also be the neighbor's driveway, and the road in the middle of the photo on the right edge might actually be Ferrand Drive.

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The two driveways are as close as twelve yards at their closest points. That's not quite as spread out as I originally thought.

 

[Jenifred]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

Have you ever seen a closet door that's got a dead bolt, blinds and windows on it? It's got to lead outside.

 

[Jenifred]

The land definitely appears to be sloped but I'm as sure as I can be that Raven is standing at or near a set of steps to the front lawn and path to the driveway. (It actually reminds me very much of one of my uncle's homes with the big bushes out front.)

Switch back and forth between Raven on the porch and Janet on the porch. Raven's not closer to the steps, he's about where Janet is, but the photographer is taking the picture from a different angle, more toward the road that's in the background.

 

[blaize]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

I can see why you'd say that, it does seem to be a very large base board for an outside door.

On the other hand could it be like any of these french doors found by doing an image search on google.


I cropped the image of the door in question and uploaded it here.

The image includes marked areas A, B & C.

A seems to be a lock of some sort?

B is a door handle.

C is the base of this door.

Does it resemble the base of any of the doors in the google search?


Hope the uploaded image is reasonably clear.

blaize

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[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

Actually, now that I look at it again, I don't think that that's a baseboard. I think that it's the bottom of the door. So they could be doors to the outside. I have seen THESE types of doors often leading to a patio or deck.

 

[Timex]

Still think it goes to a laundry room or something like that.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Switch back and forth between Raven on the porch and Janet on the porch. Raven's not closer to the steps, he's about where Janet is, but the photographer is taking the picture from a different angle, more toward the road that's in the background.

I agree. I was just trying to show that this isn't a deck. But now that I've seen the picture of Janet again, you can see the handrail for the steps and the welcome mat behind her. I had originally thought that Raven might be near the steps in the photos. And I wondered why the steps were so far away from the front door. But in the picture of Janet, you can see that the steps and the front door line up with each other.

 

[Samurai]

Regarding the French Doors----how weird looking! Blaize, the image is great. When I look at it, it looks to me like there is a shadow caused by the louvered part next to the door handle. As if someone for some reason had simply hung the louvered part over a conventional door. Gone down to home Depot or somewhere, purchased the louvers, and then just slapped them up there. The thing that looks like a baseboard would then just be the bottom of the door.

I cannot imagine anyone doing this, unless the door were mostly glass, and really, not even then.

And I have always had an unusual sense of perspective, to say the least. But that's what it looks like to me.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Hello all,

this cases greatly interests me too, moreso because LE are being so very tightlipped about it.

Anyway I had a look at the image you've linked (IMGA0416.jpg), and had to download it so I could see it properly. I brightened it in photoshop just as Golfmom did but I numbered the individual areas so that I can refer back to them as the posters identify them on this thread. The image is linked here and called brightIMGA0416.jpg
I also tried to make a very rough visual using PrayersForMaura's Second Map (hope that's ok), as the basis for the approximate positioning of the kitchen counter and the approximate positioning of the photo taker.

You can view this rough map here (housemapDiningRoom.jpg)

You'll notice that brightIMGA0416.jpg has numbered areas and that housemapDiningRoom.jpg has the numbers 1, 5 & 8 on it. These numbers correspond to the what I understand be the same areas in brightIMGA0416.jpg, ie kitchen counter, window & french doors.

This was the only way I could think of checking with you to see if I had a somewhat clear idea of the layout.

Am I on the right track?

blaize

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(edited to correct spelling)

thanks for doing that withthe image, so much clearer now!! I definitely think those doors lead out back.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I dont think those french doors lead outside. They appear to be more of a closet, as the base board under them is too large for a door that would lead to the outside.

most closets don't have locks on the doors like a house lock
when you look at the image that blaise has brightened, it's most clearly a door, and that IS a baseboard... but the blinds stop about a foot from the floor.

 

[Moxie]

:waitasec:

This is the first I've seen of the total amount of change found. Ten dollars is quite a bit of change, even if its all in quarters. This has got me extremely curious.

Hi all,

Wanted to ask - after reviewing the search warrant again, it looks like it might just be .10 - not $10 - especially because the detective's notes state regarding the currency that "the above item", which is singular tense, not plural. The search warrant copy isn't the best, but it looks like there may be a decimal point in front of the 10. What do you all think, and what could be the significance?

 

[Jenifred]

Hi all,

Wanted to ask - after reviewing the search warrant again, it looks like it might just be .10 - not $10 - especially because the detective's notes state regarding the currency that "the above item", which is singular tense, not plural. The search warrant copy isn't the best, but it looks like there may be a decimal point in front of the 10. What do you all think, and what could be the significance?

Here's page 15 of the warrant where they list the amount found.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=15;w=800
I was trying to read what it said in the column heading about it because it's pretty unclear on this page, so I looked on a different page. Here's page 12
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
It says "Value $ Recovered"

But there is a little smidge/dot right before the 10, so maybe it does mean 10 cents. And they possibly picked it up to see if they could get a print? And it does say "the above item."

At least we are leaving no stone unturned!

 

[blaize]

Here's page 15 of the warrant where they list the amount found.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=15;w=800
I was trying to read what it said in the column heading about it because it's pretty unclear on this page, so I looked on a different page. Here's page 12
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
It says "Value $ Recovered"

But there is a little smidge/dot right before the 10, so maybe it does mean 10 cents. And they possibly picked it up to see if they could get a print? And it does say "the above item."

At least we are leaving no stone unturned!

Hello,

I looked at page 15 and found it hard to tell if there was a decimal point there or not too so I saved the image, cropped it and then enlarged the cropped section which can be viewed here

As you can see even in the enlarged image it's very hard to tell.

Anyway hope that saves on some eye strain.

blaize

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[lauriej]

Hello,

I looked at page 15 and found it hard to tell if there was a decimal point there or not too so I saved the image, cropped it and then enlarged the cropped section which can be viewed here

As you can see even in the enlarged image it's very hard to tell.

Anyway hope that saves on some eye strain.

blaize

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...............i find it hard to believe that LE would note finding a DIME!...it was beside the creek, surely there was an old button lying around too, or a safety pin.......................they didn't list that on their report.....

...i still think, ( and yes i see the decimal point ) that it was $10.....

 

[lauriej]

Here's page 15 of the warrant where they list the amount found.
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=15;w=800
I was trying to read what it said in the column heading about it because it's pretty unclear on this page, so I looked on a different page. Here's page 12
http://www.wral.com/slideshow/4444879/detail.html?qs=;s=12;w=800
It says "Value $ Recovered"

But there is a little smidge/dot right before the 10, so maybe it does mean 10 cents. And they possibly picked it up to see if they could get a print? And it does say "the above item."

At least we are leaving no stone unturned!

...good catch.....it does say above item ( singular ) was ( and not were...)recovered.............

...then why say 'silver currency' , and not just..............DIME ?

...good grief..... does LE have to be sooooooooooo technical ?.....(and by the way, unless it was a dime minted 40 years or so ago, it would NOT be silver..........dimes now are so light, and are made of alloys...mostly copper/ni ckel...)

...( just trying to be a technical as the warrant...............)

 

[Moxie]

...good catch.....it does say above item ( singular ) was ( and not were...)recovered.............

...then why say 'silver currency' , and not just..............DIME ?

...good grief..... does LE have to be sooooooooooo technical ?.....(and by the way, unless it was a dime minted 40 years or so ago, it would NOT be silver..........dimes now are so light, and are made of alloys...mostly copper/ni ckel...)

...( just trying to be a technical as the warrant...............)

Hi guys - thanks - yeah, this one is tough. Well, we will figure it out one way or the other!

 

[golfmom]

Still think it goes to a laundry room or something like that.

Timex, I had doors just like that leading to my back patio. One door is stationary and the other side opened. Mine were exactly the same way.