Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #6

[CeeKer]

As a former abused woman, I can't count how many times I stated to others that I didn't think my husband would ever hurt me or my children; of course this wasn't true. I said it because I was conditioned to, because this is what the majority of people wanted to hear & I was a people-pleaser, & because my abuser could tell me how much he loved me while he was hurting me at the same time(For example- "How could you tell your sister that I did that to you, you lying *****; you know I'd never hurt you, you stupid ***** *smack, *pop, *slam).....In my state of mind, I believed it. It's hard to understand what goes on inside an abused woman's head if you've never been one; however, pretty much all victims can recant the same experiences & confusion though. Your abuser keeps you in a constant state of confusion & self doubt. Most women who are abused by their partners were abused as children as well & it's all they know; that mind-set is normal for them. My point is, maybe this is why Crystal said at one point that she didn't think Ron would hurt Haleigh. MOO, of course!

My heart goes out to you SleepingHeart. I hear what you're saying and know what your saying is the absolute truth about abused women. I haven't been abused but I've seen it up close and personal. I just don't view CS, from everything I've seen of her, her affect, her choices, as an abused women. I realize I could be totally wrong. But six months of watching this circus and I just can't get on board with it just because she "says" so. I don't think she's abused, or evil, or even she, personally, had anything to do with taking Haleigh. I think she's kind of "simple" and go with the flow and she got very bad advice from some close to her. I think she's more afraid of disappointing her mother or her former attorney than she is of RC but that's just my opinion.

 

[CeeKer]

I am sorry .. I to was an abused wife for years and had to go into counciling after finally leaving him to gain back everything that he had taken from me... bruises fade and broken bones heal, but, the damage remains. I have and will continue to advocate against abuse when it is commited, but, we have not seen one thing that gives credibility to this statement from Crystal. It is called a lie with out proof.She gives you so little to shout from the roof tops with and no police report, no restraint order EVER no visit to a hospital no pictures of abuse no person has came forward in this family to agree with her other than Marie. Tell me again what did Ron do to her again that she called abusive?
I can not see how anyone gives it a thought after watching Crystal hold and comfort Ron the first day that HaLeigh was found to be missing.
The 911 call is something I will argue that he was a whole lot calmer than I would of been and I would shoot the piece of trash too.

My heart goes out to you too TexasMommy, and I totally agree with your post.

 

[texasmommy39]

My heart goes out to you SleepingHeart. I hear what you're saying and know what your saying is the absolute truth about abused women. I haven't been abused but I've seen it up close and personal. I just don't view CS, from everything I've seen of her, her affect, her choices, as an abused women. I realize I could be totally wrong. But six months of watching this circus and I just can't get on board with it just because she "says" so. I don't think she's abused, or evil, or even she, personally, had anything to do with taking Haleigh. I think she's kind of "simple" and go with the flow and she got very bad advice from some close to her. I think she's more afraid of disappointing her mother or her former attorney than she is of RC but that's just my opinion.

She has come far from her first appearance in front of the cameras. It was all a credit to KP, did she all of a sudden get an IQ from KP too? You keep seeing what she wanted everyone to see until she wanted you to see she could handle HaLeigh bug headquarter. It is not what it look like is a comment that keeps coming to mind.

 

[texasmommy39]

My heart goes out to you too TexasMommy, and I totally agree with your post.

Thank you:blowkiss:
The thing is I have never used it as an excuse for my actions or nonactions and am sickened when others find it easier to blame someone else instead of excepting their responsibility in every given situation.

 

[texasmommy39]

I mentioned the fact that we where able to see Crystal in the frame of mind to be the one to comfort Ron and TN during that first day and night. Take a look, again and tell me does this really make sence? I still can not get past this mother having that much composure in those horrifing hours ,but, falls apart for the cameras 3 months later at the JC Press Release when she was given a chance to beg and plead for the return of HaLeigh. It was after this she retained KP.


ETA: This is actually when I took a step back and took another look at Crystal.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18901816/index.html

 

[texasmommy39]

This article broke the day before the JC presser.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...mberalerts&maven_referralObject=1057261600ind

http://www.wesh.com/video/18901816/index.html
The coincidence of the presser to the article sent my hinky metor off with Crystals behavior. Her change in her appearance from all her previous media coverage, also gave my metor a pull. It was vastly approved upon by KP, but, that is what money can do for a women that has her priorities in the wrong place.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Texasmommy39, I see a world of differences in you and Crystal, you are articulate and very intelligent and I value your opinion. You are also self assured. If you consider this just an excuse for Crystal, I am sorry, but I guess its because I see so plainly what Ron is.

I have heard too many young mothers crying and trying to explain what is happening and why they have allowed things to happen and saying "do you understand what I am trying
to say?". And I do understand that most domestic situations are clear as mud. I hear Crystal's anguish even through this haze that we are seeing everything, Im not saying she is always right, I'm not always right and these are just opinions.

 

[texasmommy39]

Texasmommy39, I see a world of differences in you and Crystal, you are articulate and very intelligent and I value your opinion. You are also self assured. If you consider this just an excuse for Crystal, I am sorry, but I guess its because I see so plainly what Ron is.

I have heard too many young mothers crying and trying to explain what is happening and why they have allowed things to happen and saying "do you understand what I am trying
to say?". And I do understand that most domestic situations are clear as mud. I hear Crystal's anguish even through this haze that we are seeing everything, Im not saying she is always right, I'm not always right and these are just opinions.

I know it is asking alot after 5 + months to take a look again and look at the accusations and how they where delivered and any substaniating evidence to support those claims and tell me again after all that has been revealed you still believe her claims of abuse to warrant the sideshow. Please. The media thread would be easy and most helpfull in your search.

 

[PorcineGranny]

thank you texasmommy. But, I believe Ron is an abuser in no uncertain terms. He abuses his children by allowing a juvenile that he was having sex with and possibly supplying drugs to to care for his most precious possessions. He puts them in a living situation surrounded by child molesters. He sets no example for moral responsibility. yes, he provided for them, but we are not clear as to how for any extended period of time. I don't think he held regular jobs on a continuous basis, so how was he providing? And it appears that Haliegh had one blanket, no sheets and no pillow for her crib mattress. But during the first few days of being missing, Ron had no lack of beer. Ron always puts
himself ahead of any needs of others including his children. Ron needed sex, so he has a live in juvenile for sex and Ron needs a babysitter, so she can do that too. Ron needs beer and possibly drugs, so there isn't adequate bedding. Ron needs privacy to do what he wants so they live in a pedophile infested area where he can afford minimal rent. It is my opinion that Ron didn't want to pay child support, so Ron does anything he can for custody of those children. Ron upholds the tale of his child bride who was in charge the night Haleigh went missing. This is abuse to me and I'm noting even stating everything he does. MOO

 

[texasmommy39]

thank you texasmommy. But, I believe Ron is an abuser in no uncertain terms. He abuses his children by allowing a juvenile that he was having sex with and possibly supplying drugs to to care for his most precious possessions.

Please, help me understand this hear say is abuse? The fact he was involved in an intimate relationship with a minor is a crime and should be taken up by the State of Florida , but, in no way does his relationship to Misty indicate abuse.

He puts them in a living situation surrounded by child molesters.


You will have to accuse every parent in that neighborhood of the same crime IMO


He sets no example for moral responsibility.


yes, he provided for them, but we are not clear as to how for any extended period of time.

But we know what Crystal did not provide and I can imagine the strain it was for Ron with out her help. Have you ever considered he might of had difficulties keeping a job because he was a single father and daycare is not cheap. Who keeps the kids if they are sick? You keep sticking it to him for what reason?
I don't think he held regular jobs on a continuous basis, so how was he providing? WTH?





And it appears that Haliegh had one blanket, no sheets and no pillow for her crib mattress. But during the first few days of being missing, Ron had no lack of beer. Ron always puts himself ahead of any needs of others including his children. Ron needed sex, so he has a live in juvenile for sex and Ron needs a babysitter, so she can do that too. Ron needs beer and possibly drugs, so there isn't adequate bedding. Ron needs privacy to do what he wants so they live in a pedophile infested area where he can afford minimal rent. It is my opinion that Ron didn't want to pay child support, so Ron does anything he can for custody of those children. Ron upholds the tale of his child bride who was in charge the night Haleigh went missing. This is abuse to me and I'm noting even stating everything he does. MOO

BBM And
Ok I see you are way more into this Bashing thing than I feel comfortable discussing.

 

[texasmommy39]

I also would like to remind us how these lies grew wings.
Also, these statements are labled violent abuse? WTH?

PattyG says: fftopic: Also, does it seem strange that Johnny seems disinterested with this interview for some reason. fftopic:
YouTube - Did Ronald cummings abuse Haleigh and her mother?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I would like to note that Crystal used past tense in reference to Haleigh. At 3:36, she says, "Ronald LOVED Haleigh".

Isn't that interesting?! Hmmm...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Moving this over from the Ronald thread:

Why would she need coaching from marie at that moment, when she did well enough answering on her own accord prior to. They know something. The way the reporter leads her into that question stumped her. Why?
I have another example of how a reporter leads her into another question that stumps her with an odd reaction.

(See video below)

When the reporter mentions the word suspision, please take note of her behavior. Also take note of her on/off stink face (Fake cry) throughout the interview.
She seems to have a few stubles in her plea for the return of Haleigh when she says "em" and corrects her self and when she disagrees with Marie and states "We get along, but, I want my baby back." Now I am no expert but this is a good indication of previous knowledge under the circumstances. Jr. could of very well been on the list to grab and the reason for the propped door to get both children and her defiant statement said a whole lot more to Marie than we even know or paid close attention to. IMO
AT: Misty was in the home asleep in the master bed with Jr. that is the only reason they did not take him. IMO

YouTube - Crystal Sheffield Mother of Missing Haleigh Cummings

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Moved over from the Ronald thread:

YouTube - Haleigh Cummings Mother & Grandmother - CFLNewschat.com
BBM
Well, her answer is better? What the heck does she need to look at her mom for; when asked?

YouTube - Haleigh Cummings Mother & Grandmother - CFLNewschat.com

 

[CeeKer]

I also would like to remind us how these lies grew wings.
Also, these statements are labled violent abuse? WTH?
PattyG says: fftopic: Also, does it seem strange that Johnny seems disinterested with this interview for some reason. fftopic:

YouTube - Did Ronald cummings abuse Haleigh and her mother?

PattyG adding this is: fftopic:Johnny's demeanor is interesting. LOL fftopic:

This video bring to mind one of the examples why I don't think the reason for CS's inconsistencies have anything at all to do with being afraid of RC and why I don't think she was abused by him.

1. CS has a whole dang bunch of relatives in Putnam Co more than RC by a longshot. I won't name them but anyone who's searched out the family trees knows exactly what I mean. And a whole bunch of them are intimidating/authoritative people IMO, including but not limited to, her father, ex-Marine Johnny, and Chad who looks like he could snap RC in two. There were reports in the early days by WS people who went to the campgrounds that CSs tent was always packed with people and RC's.. not so much. So I find it extremely hard to believe that anything CS said after Haleigh went missing was because of a latent fear of RC. It really doesn't seem realistic.

2. This report by CS of RC smacking her in the head is one of the most telling things to me and a good example of why I think she wasn't really abused and how it can appear she changes stories to "fit" what the theme of the day is.

First, if she had just found out she was pregant that would put her at about 17 1/2.. roughly Misty's age (based on 8/15/03 DOB of Haleigh and 8/30/83 DOB for CS). So at Misty's age she wasn't afraid enough of Ron to confront him when he was in the middle of using cocaine??? I "know" what it's like to live with someone on drugs... confront him at that time?? I wouldn't have, I know how scary it would be to confront someone who WASN'T a regular abuser never mind when they were using. So to me that says if she wasn't scared of him when he was high, she wasn't scare of him when he wasn't.

Second. Can someone explain to me how if she walked in and turned around and he hit her in the head (the way she described it at first) how the heck did she get kicked OFF the bed by the end?? This statement always made me wonder if she's actually "gone" after him on the bed and he was pushing her away.

SHEFFIELD: We were living in Leesburg at his mother’s house. And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.

And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me after I just found out I was pregnant and I just stopped? And he got very pissed off and I had my — I was facing — I had my back turned to him. He punched me in the head and then I turned around and he kicked me off the bed.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

 

[texasmommy39]

I keep thinking that early morning timeline for this side of the family is a good indication that more was going on than getting out the door to Satsuma.

 

[CeeKer]

And to add to the above:

IMO would someone just coming off of how many months/years of cocaine use, cold turkey, possibly in withdrawal, just calmly walks into a bedroom and says nicely "And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me"??? I think it is a possibility the one physical abuse she's accused him of was really him fending her off off.

And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

And from the same interview, this was her response to "are you afraid of him"

RIVERA: Are you fr— frightened that he’ll come after you?

SHEFFIELD: Sometimes I am. I mean he’s called and wanted me to come back several times and I have went back a couple times just to be with my kid and he was still the same and I left. It hurt to leave em but I’m not gonna put myself through that.

I find her answer "odd" it seems as if she thought GR meant "go after her" cuz he stills wants her back. Odd thing to misinterpret in the middle of an abuse discussion..

 

[texasmommy39]

And to add to the above:

Do you really think someone just coming off of how many months/years of cocaine use, cold turkey, possibly in withdrawal, just calmly walks into a bedroom and says nicely "And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me"??? I think it is a possibility the one physical abuse she's accused him of was really him fending off her attack on him.

And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

And from the same interview, this was her response to "are you afraid of him"

RIVERA: Are you fr— frightened that he’ll come after you?

SHEFFIELD: Sometimes I am. I mean he’s called and wanted me to come back several times and I have went back a couple times just to be with my kid and he was still the same and I left. It hurt to leave em but I’m not gonna put myself through that.

I find her answer "odd" it seems as if she thought GR meant "go after her" cuz he stills wants her back. Odd thing to misinterpret in the middle of an abuse discussion..

I am sure her drug abuse was and has been a problem between these two.

 

[Pondering Mind]

After almost 6 months it is MO that WS has covered every single lie that has been uttered as truth and I am not going to list for you the obvious. I will offer you this one though Misty hurt, harmed,or killed and hid Haleigh all lies. They have stated she is not a suspect even with her inconsistancies.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y200...

Really? Guess I missed LE clearing Misty (ie, saying that she is not a suspect) or stating that she did not harm, kill or hide HaLeigh. You are the only person that I have EVER heard say that as a fact. Since you have stated this as fact and not the usual rumor, opinion or speculation, I'm sure that you would be glad to share the source for that info, right?

Also, how do YOU know (as you stated as fact in another post) that Crystals allegations of abuse are LIES? Just because in DCF's findings, they were not able to prove it DOES NOT mean it never happened. That is YOUR opinion and nothing more. I too was abused by my ex, but guess what? NOBODY knew until we split up after 19 yrs because I was too embarrassed to tell them.

IMVHO this is not about being right, it is about finding HaLeigh. While you state that is your focus also, your posts say otherwise. :waitasec:

ALL of the above is nothing more than MY OPINION, which last time I checked I am entitled to.....whether anyone agrees with me or not.

 

[mysticrose]

I am sure her drug abuse was and has been a problem between these two.

Does anyone not think that if Crystal had a drug abuse problem that Ron did as well ? Ron has been busted in the "past" with not only pot but much harder drugs Herion , date rape drugs, and so on. Those are serious drugs. He did have them on his person.
Crystal admitted to her problem's with drug's and Ron flat out denies his involvement with drugs. I am sorry but whats "good for the goose is good for the gander", and know one involved in Haleighs life is clean..with maybe the exception of TN and that is a big maybe.