Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #7

[Shelby77]

Since you have been on the receiving end of such parenting perhaps you are more inclined to judge the situation as you do. Who knows. Although you perceive RC to be a violent man, I have not seen evidence that he was violent with Haleigh. If I am missing some information on that please let me know because all I seek is the truth. I see that we are in the wrong thread to be discussing RC, so I will ask you this. Do you think that Crystal thought RC was violent to Haleigh, and if she did then why didn't she seek custody of Haleigh and RJ before Haleigh went missing in your opinion? TIA

Just kinda bouncing off your post here, elle Not necessarily directed towards you, but feel free to reply lol
Even if Crystal did not feel that he was or would be violent towards HaLeigh, and if it were true that he was indeed violent towards the women in his life, why in the world would she not fight harder for custody? Did she think that the children witnessing their father beat on a woman would be ok for them? Crystal stated that she went back to him more than once, and Ronald was still the same and she couldn't take it, so she left (her children there). If his behavior was so abhorrent she could not live with him herself, why leave the kids? So his behavior wasn't good enough for her to be around, but ok for the kids to witness?? This is one of the things I don't get.

I understand she did not take the kids because she did not have custody to do so, but still, couldn't she take pics of this abuse or something to take to authorities to try and prove it and therefore save her children? There had to be something her and her mom could've schemed up to try and get them back.
It just seems more likely to me that there was nothing to prove and that's why that course of action was not taken. Just one of the reasons I don't buy the abuse thing. JMO of course.

 

[debs]

Just kinda bouncing off your post here, elle Not necessarily directed towards you, but feel free to reply lol
Even if Crystal did not feel that he was or would be violent towards HaLeigh, and if it were true that he was indeed violent towards the women in his life, why in the world would she not fight harder for custody? Did she think that the children witnessing their father beat on a woman would be ok for them? Crystal stated that she went back to him more than once, and Ronald was still the same and she couldn't take it, so she left (her children there). If his behavior was so abhorrent she could not live with him herself, why leave the kids? So his behavior wasn't good enough for her to be around, but ok for the kids to witness?? This is one of the things I don't get.

I understand she did not take the kids because she did not have custody to do so, but still, couldn't she take pics of this abuse or something to take to authorities to try and prove it and therefore save her children? There had to be something her and her mom could've schemed up to try and get them back.
It just seems more likely to me that there was nothing to prove and that's why that course of action was not taken. Just one of the reasons I don't buy the abuse thing. JMO of course.

Crystal initially left Ronald and took the children. After having been gone for a time, Ronald asked Crystal if he could take them to TX for work (or vacation....I've heard both things). He never returned them. She states she didn't feel right keeping the children from their father and that was the reason she gave for agreeing to allow them to go with their father. She never expected him to never return them, and she was then served with papers for an emergency custody hearing.

The jury is out whether he railroaded her and took advantage of her, or whether he was rescuing his children from a drugged up mother. Since he never offered any documentation or proof that she was, in fact, impaired at the time he left with the children, and the court allowed as testimony that "he heard she was" and ignored her statement that the last time she'd used was "over a year ago"...well, make up your own mind.

But here we sit, Ronald retaining custody of Jr and now (according to the dockets in Putnam County), Crystal has filed to make sure that Jr receives counseling. I believe it is the right thing to do.

 

[Shelby77]

Crystal initially left Ronald and took the children. After having been gone for a time, Ronald asked Crystal if he could take them to TX for work (or vacation....I've heard both things). He never returned them. She states she didn't feel right keeping the children from their father and that was the reason she gave for agreeing to allow them to go with their father. She never expected him to never return them, and she was then served with papers for an emergency custody hearing.

The jury is out whether he railroaded her and took advantage of her, or whether he was rescuing his children from a drugged up mother. Since he never offered any documentation or proof that she was, in fact, impaired at the time he left with the children, and the court allowed as testimony that "he heard she was" and ignored her statement that the last time she'd used was "over a year ago"...well, make up your own mind.

But here we sit, Ronald retaining custody of Jr and now (according to the dockets in Putnam County), Crystal has filed to make sure that Jr receives counseling. I believe it is the right thing to do.

Thanks, but I am extremely well versed in the facts and documents available. Why didn't she do anything after all that? She claims to have gone back and forth with him, leaving the children there each time, even though he was so horrible. I just don't get that part.
I realize she left him with the children, and allowed him to take them to Texas. She admitted that much herself. She then waited 25 days before taking any action about getting her children back, even though she supposedly couldn't get ahold of him (according to MG IIRC). But Ronald had already taken action against her, just a few days prior.
I don't think the judge feels like she was a drugged up mother, just that Ronald was more fit. I don't think it helped her that she admitted to last using at a time that she would have been preggers with Jr, but hey that's just me. The judge gave her a few opportunities to correct that statement, I think he said something like a year or 2, and she answered again, she last used a year prior. I'm sure that did not help. So I don't agree with you that the judge ignored her when she said that was the last time she used, quite to the contrary. That would be why she was given so many chances to correct her answer, IMO. I think that combined with a few other things, is what cost her custody of the children. The judge did not seemed to be concerned about current drug issues with either parent. I noticed a few other things that may have helped make his decision.



ITA with you about the counseling for Jr. I think it's an excellent idea and I am glad to hear that Crystal is taking an active interest in what is best for her child. Both of those things (therapy and his mothers caring) will be quite beneficial to him, IMO. I'd hate to see Jr get stuck in the middle of these feuding families, I hope everyone continues to do what is best for him

 

[debs]

If you can answer the question of why any abused woman goes back to her abuser, with or without kids in tow (happens both ways), you will answer a question older than which came first, the chicken or the egg.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Crystal initially left Ronald and took the children. After having been gone for a time, Ronald asked Crystal if he could take them to TX for work (or vacation....I've heard both things). He never returned them. She states she didn't feel right keeping the children from their father and that was the reason she gave for agreeing to allow them to go with their father. She never expected him to never return them, and she was then served with papers for an emergency custody hearing.

The jury is out whether he railroaded her and took advantage of her, or whether he was rescuing his children from a drugged up mother. Since he never offered any documentation or proof that she was, in fact, impaired at the time he left with the children, and the court allowed as testimony that "he heard she was" and ignored her statement that the last time she'd used was "over a year ago"...well, make up your own mind.

But here we sit, Ronald retaining custody of Jr and now (according to the dockets in Putnam County), Crystal has filed to make sure that Jr receives counseling. I believe it is the right thing to do.

Her own statement is very inconsistent with the suggestion he was abusive....if your spouse was abusive, I think you would "feel right keeping the children from their father" and she says she felt the exact opposite, so IMO, it's blatantly obvious they weren't being abused.

Re her drug use in Court, you must remember she also told the Judge that sometimes Haleigh didn't get to Dr's appointments because she didn't feel like getting out of bed to take her. If the Judge formed the view she was still using drugs, it's easy to see why, IMO. What kind of sober/straight mother would refuse to bring a special needs child to the doctor because she doesn't feel like getting out of bed.

I also think the fact she still hasn't filed for custody of RJ, even when KP was saying she would, speaks volumes. If Ron was abusive, there is just no excuse for her not to have tried to get custody of RJ while Kim was representing her...the only explanations I can see is that she is hiding something and/or making up the abuse stuff

 

[debs]

Her statement was that he loved his children and she didn't believe that he'd hurt them. Her reasons for leaving were that he was hurting HER.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Her statement was that he loved his children and she didn't believe that he'd hurt them. Her reasons for leaving were that he was hurting HER.

She accused him on national tv of bashing Haleigh and causing injuries to her. Thank goodness NG contacted the principal of that school and busted her on that malicious lie.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

She accused him on national tv of bashing Haleigh and causing injuries to her. Thank goodness NG contacted the principal of that school and busted her on that malicious lie.

LOL Actually, Geraldo's own team had to add it at the end of the malicious fiasco of reporting it, too...IIRC.

 

[stilettos]

She accused him on national tv of bashing Haleigh and causing injuries to her. Thank goodness NG contacted the principal of that school and busted her on that malicious lie.

I notice Miss Nancy hasn't said much in defense of him lately. Wonder why the new arrest wasn't in the show? Maybe she will interview Crystal and get her opinion on RC's volatility and propesity for violence.

 

[debs]

She accused him on national tv of bashing Haleigh and causing injuries to her. Thank goodness NG contacted the principal of that school and busted her on that malicious lie.

She made statements regarding things people had told her about abuse in Ronald's home. She appropriately took it to the authorities. It was resolved.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I notice Miss Nancy hasn't said much in defense of him lately. Wonder why the new arrest wasn't in the show? Maybe she will interview Crystal and get her opinion on RC's volatility and propesity for violence.

Maybe, but somehow I doubt it. NG seemed disgusted that false accusations of that nature were being made against RC. I think it would be very sad if Crystal kept up with the Ron bashing....it obviously hasn't helped find Haleigh and it might be time for her to focus on finding Haleigh rather than bashing her ex (actually I think that time was a looooong time ago, but better late than never). Perhaps she should get some counselling re her bitterness towards her ex....imo, she made an absolute fool of herself trying to pass those pics off as evidence of abuse, and it would be nice if someone counselled her in the right direction.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

She made statements regarding things people had told her about abuse in Ronald's home. She appropriately took it to the authorities. It was resolved.

You must have missed the NG show where they tried to pass off pics of a schoolyard injury as evidence of abuse. The link is here somewhere if you want to watch it.

 

[stilettos]

Maybe, but somehow I doubt it. NG seemed disgusted that false accusations of that nature were being made against RC. I think it would be very sad if Crystal kept up with the Ron bashing....it obviously hasn't helped find Haleigh and it might be time for her to focus on finding Haleigh rather than bashing her ex (actually I think that time was a looooong time ago, but better late than never). Perhaps she should get some counselling re her bitterness towards her ex....imo, she made an absolute fool of herself trying to pass those pics off as evidence of abuse, and it would be nice if someone counselled her in the right direction.

bunny...I thought I saw her attorney represent concern for the severity of pictured injuries documented by school authorities as "a scratch". They were much more than that. It was questioned and brought before the media and DCF. Crystal did not hold the picture up on screen on Nancy Grace and scream look how Ronald bashed my baby's face in. There are alot of bad feelings in this relationship. You see cause on RC's side, I see it on Crystal's...maybe we can meet in the middle and say that we would like to see HaLeigh brought home and the criminal who hurt her brought to the most severe justice possible.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

bunny...I thought I saw her attorney represent concern for the severity of pictured injuries documented by school authorities as "a scratch". They were much more than that. It was questioned and brought before the media and DCF. Crystal did not hold the picture up on screen on Nancy Grace and scream look how Ronald bashed my baby's face in. There are alot of bad feelings in this relationship. You see cause on RC's side, I see it on Crystal's...maybe we can meet in the middle and say that we would like to see HaLeigh brought home and the criminal who hurt her brought to the most severe justice possible.

IIRC, there was no mention of it being a schoolyard injury at all, until NG busted them on it and effectively forced them to admit it.

I've never really seen RC bash Crystal, though I see lots of it the other way. I don't think the bashing helps find Haleigh at all, in fact I think it worked against finding Haleigh, and if RC resents her for that, and for attempting to publicly humiliate him by painting him as a child abuser at such an awful time, I can't blame him for that.

In any event, we can surely meet in the middle re both wanting Haleigh brought home and the perp brought to justice! I am sooooo hoping she gets home for her birthday.

 

[badme102]

I notice Miss Nancy hasn't said much in defense of him lately. Wonder why the new arrest wasn't in the show? Maybe she will interview Crystal and get her opinion on RC's volatility and propesity for violence.

I believe Nancy dropped this case completely because she realized she was backing the wrong horse. OOPS.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I believe Nancy dropped this case completely because she realized she was backing the wrong horse. OOPS.

I don't think that by having Kim on there she was "backing" her in any way. In fact, I thought she made her disgust with Kim very clear and did the right thing by investigating the ridiculous false allegations that were made and exposing them for what they were. I don't see how that would stop her from covering the case at all.

I think even NG saw that Kim was unable to do an interview without trashing Ron and she had enough of it and didn't want to give her any more air time to put forward any more false allegations. Again, I've said it many times before, Crystal making those false abuse allegations did nothing to help find Haleigh, quite the opposite.

 

[badme102]

I really wonder why Crystal had to file an emergency motion to get JR into counseling? Maybe Ron doesn't think it's important enough...

2009-08-05 069.FAMILY COURT MINUTES

2009-08-10 070.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - CAROL CALDWELL FOR MOTHER

2009-08-10 071.MOTHERS EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION FOR COUNSELING

2009-08-10 FOR MINOR CHILD

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

 

[atherella]

I really wonder why Crystal had to file an emergency motion to get JR into counseling? Maybe Ron doesn't think it's important enough...

2009-08-05 069.FAMILY COURT MINUTES

2009-08-10 070.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - CAROL CALDWELL FOR MOTHER

2009-08-10 071.MOTHERS EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION FOR COUNSELING

2009-08-10 FOR MINOR CHILD

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

Did Crystal ever discuss counseling with Ron? Or is she using the Court system now that she has a new attorney? Perhaps she is going to try and make herself look "good" so she can position herself to try and file for custody. She didn't make any headway with Kim.

Crystal and Ron just filed an agreement. Why wasn't counseling discussed back then if it was an issue?

 

[Busylady]

I am not sure if they even have to agree on the counseling? It appears they can take the children to the dr etc without permission from the other parent but counseling may be different. I am curious why Crystal didnt do this when she had JR for 6 weeks, why did she wait until she returned JR to RC to file the motion?

 

[stilettos]

I am not sure if they even have to agree on the counseling? It appears they can take the children to the dr etc without permission from the other parent but counseling may be different. I am curious why Crystal didnt do this when she had JR for 6 weeks, why did she wait until she returned JR to RC to file the motion?

It would appear that she would like the minor child to receive counseling while with the custodial parent. It is an emergency motion which means there is some urgency. Perhaps there were indicators during the summer visit that Jr. needs help. She obviously has reason to feel RC would be resistant, hence the filing.