Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #8

[elle1919]

I remember that Pondering, I think that the attorney's response was that it was ludicrous, or another one of those big words...preposterous maybe.

Misty also said that she didn't think Crystal was involved or had knowledge of it.

About when RC moved to Green Lane, it was in November. I searched that link up a bit ago but not sure if it is on this thread. I linked to a comment from the Bards who said when he moved in. I never read a lot from player because it was all mostly done downstairs did he say he moved there in December?

 

[Flossie JMO]

This video has Crystal's comments on man in black, serving of the papers, custody decision, drug use etc

YouTube- Crystal Sheffield interview 03/09/09

 

[Flossie JMO]

And on bloggers running their mouth about her, and loving Kim etc

YouTube- WSKY-FM TJ Hart Checks In With Haleigh Cummings Mother Crystal Sheffield

 

[curvecuti]

Is it just me or in that first video, are there no tears? IMO, there's alot of wiping and alot of squeaky voice but no tears? I find that strange.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Flossie, Thank you for posting this interview. I hadn't seen it before. It's very informative. There's the lie about the papers for the custody hearing, right up front. I can see why she blamed Ron for what she did, because here she is on TV and what can she say? It would take a person with enormous self-confidence to just tell the truth in that moment: "I didn't make it to the custody hearing." When people have major drug or alcohol problems, lying goes with the territory as the goal is always to rationalize away or deflect the consequences for their actions. This looks like a classic example.

And Crystal says that the story about the man in black taking "sissy" is the first thing Jr. told her. That seems to me to be the "best evidence" any of us have about what happened.

 

[azwriter]

Why wouldn't Junior know what a ski mask is? I live in Alabama and when the sun goes down in the winter months it gets very chilly. Early mornings are also cold during late November, December and January. We hang our Christmas lights after Thanksgiving dinner, in shorts, taking pictures all the while to send to our family in New York that are shoveling snow and eating pumpkin pie. : )

Thanks for your post elle. I too live in a warm area of the country, the Valley of the Sun in Arizona. We too have cool weather in the winter months but not cool enough that we would ever wear ski masks, unless of course one is a regular visitor to northern Arizona where it is know to get 100 inches of snow from mid-October through March for the skiing season.
Can I ask you this: do you think little Ron Jr. has a ski mask living in Florida?
Is there that much opportunity for snowy cold weather in his part of the state? Just wondering.

 

[elle1919]

Thanks for your post elle. I too live in a warm area of the country, the Valley of the Sun in Arizona. We too have cool weather in the winter months but not cool enough that we would ever wear ski masks, unless of course one is a regular visitor to northern Arizona where it is know to get 100 inches of snow from mid-October through March for the skiing season.
Can I ask you this: do you think little Ron Jr. has a ski mask living in Florida?
Is there that much opportunity for snowy cold weather in his part of the state? Just wondering.

Do I think that Ron Jr has a ski mask? Probably not, but I never said he had a ski mask, I said that I believed he knew what a ski mask was despite living in Florida. Just because he doesn't own one doesn't mean he has never seen one.

The point that I was trying to make was the change in the man in black story. I believe Jr was interviewed by professionals specifically trained to deal with children soon after the 911 call. GGS used the description of a man in a ski mask and LE stated they had JR interviewed by a team of specialists and they were following up on any information he was able to give. Connie omitted the ski mask from the description and when Crystal did the Geraldo thing with Jr she said "the man in black"as well. Might mean absolutely nothing, or it might mean something. The stories are different and I was just curious why. Same as I was curious about the changes in the stories that Misty has told. Thats all.

 

[elle1919]

I just wanted to add that the man in black story and it's variations is not the only story that has given me pause. There's the man in black story, the fight over the gun story, the laundry detergent story, Hank Jr banging on the MH story...There sure is no lack of mystery here.

 

[cajun]

Actually Whisperer, I was reading back thru some old posts of Players last night. He stated that Ron moved to Green Lane on Dec. 1, 2008. IF he is correct, then all this time we thought that he moved there sometime in November. So, I don't know that it makes a difference, but they were only there just shy of 3 months when HaLeigh disappeared.

He did move to Green in Nov. that was per Mrs. Bard owner of the mobile home. He lived next door to her from Aug. - Nov. and then moved to the Green address

 

[Pondering Mind]

He did move to Green in Nov. that was per Mrs. Bard owner of the mobile home. He lived next door to her from Aug. - Nov. and then moved to the Green address

TY! I thought so too, but when I came across Players post where he specifically said December 1st, I wondered how in the world he would have remembered the exact date. :waitasec: Highly unlikely I thought unless there was a reason to remember, you know?

 

[Pondering Mind]

Flossie, Thank you for posting this interview. I hadn't seen it before. It's very informative. There's the lie about the papers for the custody hearing, right up front. I can see why she blamed Ron for what she did, because here she is on TV and what can she say? It would take a person with enormous self-confidence to just tell the truth in that moment: "I didn't make it to the custody hearing." When people have major drug or alcohol problems, lying goes with the territory as the goal is always to rationalize away or deflect the consequences for their actions. This looks like a classic example.
And Crystal says that the story about the man in black taking "sissy" is the first thing Jr. told her. That seems to me to be the "best evidence" any of us have about what happened.

I still don't understand what is SO important about "THE LIE" concerning the custody hearing papers ASSUMING it is true. But again, I suppose if catching Crystal in a lie (about something that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with HaLeigh's disappearance) ranks that high on ones priority list then so be it.


bbm~
btw, in case you missed it Crystal DID admit her drug use on national television and I feel sure that it wasn't something that was easy to do, but she did it anyway. Ron, on the other hand admits NOTHING regarding drug use, except of course the medication that he takes for his "accidental injuries" whatever in the he!! that is. So she gets slammed for being putting her dirty laundry out there and despite his drug arrests, since he admits nothing he must be innocent. :waitasec: I just hate it when I keep getting picked up for drugs that I don't have or use. :banghead: As you say, lying about it goes with the territory and he sure is good at rationalizing and deflecting. And IMHO he has never had to deal with the consequences of his actions....YET..

 

[elle1919]

I laid awake in bed last night thinking about Haleigh....again. Turning over and over all the thoughts in my mind and it occurred to me that the lie about the custody proceedings might not lead to Haleigh now, 9 months later, but, I believed that Crystal truly was being forthcoming about what happened. Does one lie make you a liar? I tell my children not to lie because if they do, Mommy will always wonder if she can trust them, even when they are telling the truth. My sister once told me when we were both very young and I found out that she had taken a pack of gum from the store without paying for it, she told me.."Everyone lies", back then I said " No they don't!" I still believe that today. I don't lie, people lie to deceive and bury the truth.

What does all of that mean? When you lie, you become a liar.
Who has been 100% truthful in this case?

 

[Baznme]

I laid awake in bed last night thinking about Haleigh....again. Turning over and over all the thoughts in my mind and it occurred to me that the lie about the custody proceedings might not lead to Haleigh now, 9 months later, but, I believed that Crystal truly was being forthcoming about what happened. Does one lie make you a liar? I tell my children not to lie because if they do, Mommy will always wonder if she can trust them, even when they are telling the truth. My sister once told me when we were both very young and I found out that she had taken a pack of gum from the store without paying for it, she told me.."Everyone lies", back then I said " No they don't!" I still believe that today. I don't lie, people lie to deceive and bury the truth.

What does all of that mean? When you lie, you become a liar.
Who has been 100% truthful in this case?

Haleigh Cummings is the only one I can honestly say has been 100% completely truthful here. Somewhere in this pile of blind clues is an answer. She is trying to tell us something but for some reason, we all tend to get so lost in the muddle, we aren't reading the messages that could tell us what truly happened here. Do we not have a "facts" thread for this case? Can we work together on that and see if we can put things into perspective that way? Maybe work up Scenarios 1,2 and 3 with the WHO, WHAT, WHERE, HOW AND WHY and allow posters to add clues to them as they see fit, much like the calendar we did for the Caylee Anthony case? It still remains to be seen but I think posters here were able to get the timeline down to the last hours of Caylee's life and one or two posters here had even guessed the area her body was eventually found in. It might be easier to see some things more clearly and come together based on what we actually know and what can be substantiated in Haleigh's case.

 

[debs]

Haleigh Cummings is the only one I can honestly say has been 100% completely truthful here. Somewhere in this pile of blind clues is an answer. She is trying to tell us something but for some reason, we all tend to get so lost in the muddle, we aren't reading the messages that could tell us what truly happened here. Do we not have a "facts" thread for this case? Can we work together on that and see if we can put things into perspective that way? Maybe work up Scenarios 1,2 and 3 with the WHO, WHAT, WHERE, HOW AND WHY and allow posters to add clues to them as they see fit, much like the calendar we did for the Caylee Anthony case? It still remains to be seen but I think posters here were able to get the timeline down to the last hours of Caylee's life and one or two posters here had even guessed the area her body was eventually found in. It might be easier to see some things more clearly and come together based on what we actually know and what can be substantiated in Haleigh's case.

In order to do that, the two people in whose home she lived would need to start telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The peripheral people (grandparents, Crystal, aunts uncles, cousins, siblings) need to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Until and unless that happens, we can only speculate. We can't even agree that she was seen after she got off that bus because the story has never been consistent.

 

[elle1919]

Haleigh Cummings is the only one I can honestly say has been 100% completely truthful here. Somewhere in this pile of blind clues is an answer. She is trying to tell us something but for some reason, we all tend to get so lost in the muddle, we aren't reading the messages that could tell us what truly happened here. Do we not have a "facts" thread for this case? Can we work together on that and see if we can put things into perspective that way? Maybe work up Scenarios 1,2 and 3 with the WHO, WHAT, WHERE, HOW AND WHY and allow posters to add clues to them as they see fit, much like the calendar we did for the Caylee Anthony case? It still remains to be seen but I think posters here were able to get the timeline down to the last hours of Caylee's life and one or two posters here had even guessed the area her body was eventually found in. It might be easier to see some things more clearly and come together based on what we actually know and what can be substantiated in Haleigh's case.

I have gazoodles of notes, lol. Yes, there is a fact thread up in the sticky section but there are in total maybe 3 pages, 4 tops. I had the same thought that you did Baz, as far as how a calendar of days and the events that occurred on that day. Then as the case went on we could go from days to weeks because there was a lot of time there that we were getting very little news. I found a lot of patterns forming and things made a lot more sense when I looked at when they were actually occurring.

For example: February 10th could be a starting point. Make that one thread and add anything significant that happened that day. Then continue on with the 11th, 12th and so on. I think by going back through the media links and researching the info for that date would be easy and something that we all could agree on. Of course we would have to start after Haleigh went missing because the events leading up to her disappearance are what we seem to disagree on. I personally wouldn't mind if someone wanted to add a specific event to the time line that happened before the abduction as long as we have the link to support the event. The days could go as deep in events as people wanted to add.
I don't know if a time line like this would be allowed by the mods but if it was I would suggest we do it up in the Sticky threads so we can keep the days in order and nothing slips back despite the number of posts in that thread....ya know what I mean? Keep the days in chronological order no matter if not much happened that. This way anyone who was looking for information could go right to that day and anyone on the internet that was researching information about Haleigh and what happened to this point would have to look no further than Websleuths to find it. I would be willing to devote the time to do this if others are interested as well.

 

[texasmommy39]

I laid awake in bed last night thinking about Haleigh....again. Turning over and over all the thoughts in my mind and it occurred to me that the lie about the custody proceedings might not lead to Haleigh now, 9 months later, but, I believed that Crystal truly was being forthcoming about what happened. Does one lie make you a liar? I tell my children not to lie because if they do, Mommy will always wonder if she can trust them, even when they are telling the truth. My sister once told me when we were both very young and I found out that she had taken a pack of gum from the store without paying for it, she told me.."Everyone lies", back then I said " No they don't!" I still believe that today. I don't lie, people lie to deceive and bury the truth.

What does all of that mean? When you lie, you become a liar.
Who has been 100% truthful in this case?

Good Morning ELLE, I too tossed and turned and woke often with HaLeigh on my mind thru out the night. Lying hides the truth and in this case HaLeigh, it is that simple. IMVHO it is time for all the lies to be uncovered and expose all that told them.
To prove my point here is a list of just a few lies:
Crystal unfairly lost custody of HaLeigh and Jr.
Ron abuses HaLeigh and Jr.
Ron does drugs
Ron was not at work
Misty was not at home
Misty took the children to a party and HaLeigh OD.
Crystal does not do drugs
Haleigh's injuries in November where caused by Ron.
Crystal only owed $4,000 in back child support
My point is do any of these lies help find HaLeigh or Hide truths that could clearly allow HaLeigh to be found? So if lying muddies the water so you can not clearly see .....
Ron was fairly awarded custody of HaLeigh and Jr.
Ron does not abuses HaLeigh and Jr.
Ron does not do drugs
Ron was at work
Misty was at home
Crystal does drugs
Crystal owed $12,000 in back child support.
IMO all the lies surround the issues of custody & support. It seems this is all about and between Ron and Crystal with Misty thrown in as the rug. A lie can also shows a motive to protect or harm. This is just my opinion. I also want to make it clear that yes I am excited that new information is being revealed that sheds light on the truth and all that has been lied about will be revealed. It may not be relevant to finding HaLeigh 9 months later, but, will give us the right direction to be looking in IMO since we can clearly see the truths surrounding HaLeigh and understand the possible from the impossible. LE has for 9 months claimed it was not a stranger abduction and yet they have not made one arrest. Why? If they know way more than we do and have ruled out a stranger to HaLeigh and her family. Is the circle of family and friend so extended for this 5 year old that LE is not able to determine who, why and WHERE IS HALEIGH? If these families truely love HaLeigh they will tell the truth and bring HALIEGH HOME.

 

[texasmommy39]

He did move to Green in Nov. that was per Mrs. Bard owner of the mobile home. He lived next door to her from Aug. - Nov. and then moved to the Green address

Thank you cajun I was not aware that Ron had only lived in Hermits Cove for only 6 months. This does make things a little clearer. I really wonder who called DCF on Ron back in sept./ oct.? I know have more suspicions as to why Ron was not allowing Crystal to pick up the children at his home and why he was so concerned to change locks and become in the habit of locking doors. I now can understand why Ron chose not to return to the mobile home in a community he was already concerned with and others agendas within it. Sooo Sad.

 

[elle1919]

I could add a few more confirmed lies to that list but rather than contribute to more bickering I am choosing to forget and move forward. Gosh what a mess.

 

[elle1919]

According to Kim p Marie Griffis was outspoken, demanding and completely controlling of Crystal. She was in control of the statements that were released to the media, mostly the negative rumors about Ronald Cummings.

 

[curvecuti]

According to Kim p Marie Griffis was outspoken, demanding and completely controlling of Crystal. She was in control of the statements that were released to the media, mostly the negative rumors about Ronald Cummings.

elle, I think this behavior on MG's part could be seen in all the interviews with CS and MG together. IMO. As I have posted many, many times, CS HAS been beaten down but it was NOT by RC. imo.