Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #8

[Indiana at Heart]

What do you think about the part where she says she never "blogged" (her word for posting on the forums), when we know she did? I guess she could say she never actually typed out the words, she told her asst. what to say, but that is cutting a lie awful thin, imo.

Yeap here she blogged and a couple more places that I seen. She didn't tell the "Truth"

 

[elle1919]

I think there are a lot of assumptions going on here based on what people read. I prefer to listen and observe and read what they themselves have written to get an idea of what kind of person they are.

Constantly using words of a reporter without a source or an article is not the best way to judge the victim or the perp. What I have observed with Crystal is somebody who speaks slowly and quietly. She does not appear to have a mean bone in her body. I will stand by that unless I SEE otherwise. A little insight into her feelings can be had by reading her words to Haleigh.

If anyone feels she is guilty of harming Haleigh, I suppose there is nothing any article or observation can change that person's mind...so be it.

IMO, Crystal is not involved in this crime. For those who believe she is, carry on.

Who is saying that Crystal is guilty of harming Haleigh? I don't believe that at all. However after reading the documents from the Florida Bar it is obvious to me that there are those around Crystal that took action based on Crystal's inaction in regards to her children. Of course that is my opinion, but no, I do not feel that Crystal knows where Haleigh is or what happened to her in the early hours of February10th

 

[curvecuti]

Who is saying that Crystal is guilty of harming Haleigh? I don't believe that at all. However after reading the documents from the Florida Bar it is obvious to me that there are those around Crystal that took action based on Crystal's inaction in regards to her children. Of course that is my opinion, but no, I do not feel that Crystal knows where Haleigh is or what happened to her in the early hours of February10th

I have not seen anyone say that at all since I started posting here. Not one person. MOO. However, if you say anything to the effect of CS owning up to her part in the circus this whole case has become, it is automatically assumed that you are judging CS (and imo, while that is ok to do to RC, it is not ok to do to CS), saying CS harmed Haleigh, saying CS had Haleigh kidnapped, when no one has said anything even close to that. It can get frustrating. MOO, IMO.

 

[texasmommy39]

IMO Crystal and Family have a lot to be worried about at this time and it does not stem from vigilantly searching or begging for the safe return of HaLeigh, but, because of involving themselves in the investigation to the extent they have. The lies, fake search, $$$$$$$$solicitation,tweeting, blogging and retaining a lawyer to discredit a grieving, innocent father and making her client's chit smell like home baked apple pie, all beg for exposure and charges. I do not smell home baked apple pie (not that I ever did) in the air surrounding Crystal and Family today. In fact I smell a cesspool of Chit.

 

[newstome]

You are far more generous than I...If my child had a genetic disorder and a couple appointments were missed on someone's watch-- I can assure you that they no longer would have that task as their responsibility REGARDLESS of the reason.....JMO

The reason none of the family takes care of normal things we all consider just taking care of business, is because they are not IMO like us. They may all be doing drugs, or serious past usage causes brain damage, and serious maturity issues. Many people drive without a drivers license, because they have no money they plan to use on car insurance. They do not think like responsible individuals so trying to get the answers in this sad case is beyond frustrating.
They also think when they spin lies they are belivable, all IMO.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Kiki, I assure you I was not chastising you, I replied to a post that you made about those who are deceptive and I tried to do so in the most respectful way that I knew how. With all due respect you post that you have never excused anything by CS, but in my opinion that is exactly what your post was doing when you say that it is okay to lie about the things that you do as long as you don't lie about who you are. This is the post of yours that I replied to

snip~ Originally Posted by kiki the parrot View Post
(snip, bbm) You are right deb, Crystal has been brutally honest about her past failures and is quick to acknowledge her shortcomings. I think you're right, the majority of people do most likely lie. But I've learned the people I really need to worry about are the ones who lie not about what they do, but about who they are. ~end snip

(snip, underscore, bbm)

Your interpretation of my words: "It is OKAY to LIE."

My actual words: "Those are the ones I really need to WORRY ABOUT."

There is a world of difference between what I actually said (and patiently clarified for those who would understand), and what you said I stated.

M. Scott Peck's People of the Lie, Dr Sam Vaknin's Malignant Narcissism (and any number of other books on the subject of pathological lying, personality disorders etc) can perhaps help in understanding this. Henry Cloud and Jon Townsend's Safe People has an especially illuminating chapter on this topic.

I am neither duplicitous, nor a moral relativist. Again I do not, never have, and never will condone lying of any sort. I've said that I consider one who lies habitually to conceal and deceives about their CHARACTER ITSELF, to be of a graver nature and concern.

Eg: If I discover the staffperson who works at my daughter's daycare was late because he overslept but told the director that he was stuck in traffic to avoid being fired, I would be inclined to do nothing and not be terribly concerned nor would I in all probability pull my child out of that center. OTOH if I discover the staffperson who works at my child's daycare falsified his job application, using an alias, as he had concealed a long history of child abuse, yes I just *might* be slightly more worried--enough to not only pull my own child out of daycare there but to warn other parents, inform the director, and alert LE. Does it make it right or "OKAY" (in the first instance) to lie about being caught in traffic? NO. But is this person not more dangerous, and my WORRY not more warranted, in the latter instance?! This seems easy to understand.

Hopefully this clears up the matter. This seems counterproductive to sleuthing. Posters should be working together, I am not the enemy here nor have I any involvement in Haleigh's disappearance nor does CS IMO. It isn't me but you who says you believes CS is lying, therefore *I* am not defending or excusing anything nor placing Crystal into either category. (If anything I actually was thinking *RC* falls into the more dangerous category tho I never referred to anyone by name in my post.) I am not advocating any level of deceit by any of the players in these cases nor is this what I teach my children. I'm not hiding or concealing my own true nature either, I'm just a single parent, w a heart for children, who considers herself a fair judge of character, and advocates here and everywhere else for truth and justice, w limited time and energy--and who therefore prefers to spend it battling the real evil in the real world. JMO

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[Skully]

From what I am reading and seeing, I don't think CS had anything to do with taking Haleigh. Not because she is above it, but because she didn't want too. She didn't fight Ron for custody of Haleigh or Jr, because she didn't fight for herself. I think being young, no self confidence, no money, being addicted and being afraid made the pot she is stewing in. She has Chad's kids, their child together, and Ron had their kids. She didn't pay the support, because she didn't work, or couldn't work, or had an addiction and didn't work, or no education, or no car, just pick one. Bottom line; I don't see her as a fighter. I see her mom as a fighter now, but what about before Haleigh went missing?

If you think the Sheffields went to all this trouble to save poor Haleigh, knowing it wouldn't erase the child support debt, who did they pass her off too? And more importantly why? It costs money to hid a kid out. If you can't afford the $350 a month for two kids and are facing jail time, where are ya getting money to hid this kid? I love the idea that they did this for her, because it makes me feel like she was so loved, and cared about by that family they risked going to jail for kidnapping and fraud for god knows how long, but frankly I don't think that anyone cared that much. If the story ends this way, it means she is alive and well taken care of, but I don't think anyone went to this sort of lengths for her. Sorry. JMO

 

[Skully]

I just wanted to add to that in most parental abductions, the parent goes with the child and gets out of Dodge..... The point is to be with the child and get it out of danger, not just take it and pass it off to some other person and you never get to be with the child again.

I think is admirable of you Texas that you think the Sheffields loved her so much and cared so much that they would go to these lengths to free Haleigh but I don't see where she could have taken her too, or how she plans to even get her back because now you have to admit you kidnapped her. If child support debt can put you in jail can you image what kidnapping does.

 

[curvecuti]

From what I am reading and seeing, I don't think CS had anything to do with taking Haleigh. Not because she is above it, but because she didn't want too. She didn't fight Ron for custody of Haleigh or Jr, because she didn't fight for herself. I think being young, no self confidence, no money, being addicted and being afraid made the pot she is stewing in. She has Chad's kids, their child together, and Ron had their kids. She didn't pay the support, because she didn't work, or couldn't work, or had an addiction and didn't work, or no education, or no car, just pick one. Bottom line; I don't see her as a fighter. I see her mom as a fighter now, but what about before Haleigh went missing?

If you think the Sheffields went to all this trouble to save poor Haleigh, knowing it wouldn't erase the child support debt, who did they pass her off too? And more importantly why? It costs money to hid a kid out. If you can't afford the $350 a month for two kids and are facing jail time, where are ya getting money to hid this kid? I love the idea that they did this for her, because it makes me feel like she was so loved, and cared about by that family they risked going to jail for kidnapping and fraud for god knows how long, but frankly I don't think that anyone cared that much. If the story ends this way, it means she is alive and well taken care of, but I don't think anyone went to this sort of lengths for her. Sorry. JMO

IMO, it doesn't have anything to do w/ her being so loved she was taken, it has to do w/ spite and revenge. And while I do not think CS's family has been checked enough, I wonder why LE has not cleared any of them? I also don't think Haleigh would need to be hidden, as I have said before, if Haleigh walked in this college with an adult, no one here would suspect a thing, no one would know she was a missing child, w/ the exception of me and maybe my friend that occasionally asks me about the case. That's it. And I agree w/ you, CS wouldn't have done this, mostly because I think she was more than fine w/ the situation where she had no real responsibility for/to the kids other than the child support issue. IIRC, she called them "the other 2 brats" on her myspace, so I don't think she was involved at all. Not to say she may not know now what happened, but I don't think she did then. MOO. ETA: Connie and Marty did get our of Dodge pretty quick after this happened.

 

[Skully]

I get your point about Marty and Connie, but I don't think it would be spite and revenge, well maybe a little revenge, KWIM? But most family abductions don't start off with, "hey, lets get them back and take the kid, and then we will risk kidnapping charges and have to support this kid until she is 18, and well, she is sick so that will cost us some bucks. But hey, that will get them back! What do you think about that?" Not seeing the it as a clear motive, but that's just me. I still love the idea, cause when I go to bed at night I can think of her all warm and happy and looking forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas without any of her love ones around..... See that doesn't work either. There is no grandfather who would do this and risk it all and then separate her from her baby brother and well, I am not convinced. But I do hope she is alive, I like that ending way better than the one I am think

 

[debs]

I would imagine few if any family revenge kidnappings includes taking only one child with the hope of winning the other through the court, and never bringing it TO a court.

It just isn't logical.

 

[curvecuti]

Well, I think it was a bit spiteful when Marty said RC stole her from him and Connie and now someone stole her from RC. Very nonchalant statement, and a bit callous to me, like that RC got what was coming to him, no concern in that statement for Haleigh. I think most family abductions are for revenge, to hurt the custodial parent, imo. BTW, imo, Marty is no regular Grandfather nor Father.

 

[curvecuti]

I would imagine few if any family revenge kidnappings includes taking only one child with the hope of winning the other through the court, and never bringing it TO a court.

It just isn't logical.

They tried to bring the custody issue to court. Kim wouldn't file because of CS's issues and lies, according to her.

 

[texasmommy39]

I just wanted to add to that in most parental abductions, the parent goes with the child and gets out of Dodge..... The point is to be with the child and get it out of danger, not just take it and pass it off to some other person and you never get to be with the child again.

I think is admirable of you Texas that you think the Sheffields loved her so much and cared so much that they would go to these lengths to free Haleigh but I don't see where she could have taken her too, or how she plans to even get her back because now you have to admit you kidnapped her. If child support debt can put you in jail can you image what kidnapping does.

Bern if Crystal didn't care about here children she would not of stepped out in the for front of that family and sought to destroy her children's father with lies in an attempt to gain custody and rectify the judgement of child support. Crystals attempts at innocent abused victim is now foreshadowed by her obvious on going drug addiction and now proven track record of lying. Their true agenda has now been IMO revealed by their clever plan to make a buck in HaLeighs name and discredit and accuse the ones that HaLeigh loved and lived with and this was to serve what purpose? Find HaLeigh?
Crystal IMO is as guilty as the one that went in and took Haleigh from her bed and home that morning. JMO

 

[Flossie JMO]

JMO HaLeigh being taken had nothing to do with love.

 

[elle1919]

Was the name of the 12,000 dollar mystery donor ever released? TIA

 

[texasmommy39]

Crystals inability to be a responsible parent does not indicate she did not love her children either. IMO

 

[curvecuti]

Was the name of the 12,000 dollar mystery donor ever released? TIA

Yes. ETA: I removed the name, I don't know if we can use it here. If it's ok, I can repost it.

 

[Skully]

Yes. E**** J******.

Thought her name was B****a?

 

[curvecuti]

Thought her name was Barbra?

I edited my post because I don't know if we can post her name, please edit yours too. No, it was not Barbara, or her middle or first name may be Barbara.

ETA: Not the Barbra part the name I posted. Thanks!