CT- Annie Le, missing from Yale, thread #7 FOUND DECEASED

[Waddles]

I saw a perfect photo of that shot the other day (no distortion) on a news site but for the life of me I can not find it now. It was very clear, did anyone else see it? It was from a link that was posted in one of the threads here.

Thanks-I didn't see it-so it looked like a binder then did it? And was the other girl recognisable?

 

[sunsetbeach]

...I don't think he just snapped...one of the things that make me think he did not just snap over mice or anything like that are the clothes found in a seperate location,which means he took her clothes off before or after the killing...that alone makes me think it he may have been obsessesd with her,fantasized about her and could not handle the thought of her getting married so soon....

It was not her clothes (up in the ceiling tiles) ... she had her clothes on.
I assume they belonged to the POI. It has been reported that he came to the building in one set of clothes and left in a different set. If the rumor is true this was seen on video.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Thanks-I didn't see it-so it looked like a binder then did it? And was the other girl recognisable?

I'm not sure, I didn't pay a lot of attention at the time.

Dang-it!

 

[Trino]

I want to hear the gf's "takes" on RC. Had he "snapped" on her?

 

[MissJames]

Yeah I was wondering about the shirt off thing -but then also maybe he was wearing a v-neck under the lab coat or whatever he was wearing and also maybe there was so much force to her clawing at him that it went through his clothes - am wondering too if his fiance was involved. I'm leaning towards an anger thing myself or jealousy or revenge but not sexual -at least not as the primary motive but could have been part of the control thing

JMO,but rapists don't usually bother taking their clothes off.Annie was smart.She knew LE could get DNA evidence from under her nails.She may have reached under his shirt to scratch him if she had the opportunity.God Bless Her! The thought of what she endured just makes me so sad.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Forgive me if this has already been posted in another thread.

https://ugsp.nih.gov/scholars_mentors/scholars_d.asp?m=06&id=162&Start_Date=2006

This is Annie when she was at UofR

 

[Momtofour]

It seems that his sister, brother-in-law and fiancee all worked in the same lab as animal techs...........


"He did not show up for work Tuesday - and neither did his sister, brother-in-law or fiancée, all of whom work in the same lab and have the same job."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._cause_of_death_hope_to_make_arrest_tues.html

 

[Waddles]

JMO,but rapists don't usually bother taking their clothes off.Annie was smart.She knew LE could get DNA evidence from under her nails.She may have reached under his shirt to scratch him if she had the opportunity.God Bless Her! The thought of what she endured just makes me so sad.

True, that's very likely actually
So very sad for what she endured too, and that such a brilliant promising scientist was lost

 

[Waddles]

It seems that his sister, brother-in-law and fiancee all worked in the same lab as animal techs...........


"He did not show up for work Tuesday - and neither did his sister, brother-in-law or fiancée, all of whom work in the same lab and have the same job."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._cause_of_death_hope_to_make_arrest_tues.html

Yes this was discussed last night-it would seem it's not uncommon to have family members in these jobs since they are often advertised internally - nepotism

 

[Waddles]

I want to hear the gf's "takes" on RC. Had he "snapped" on her?

Neighbours said he was very hard on her, very controlling but she seemed happy enough and must be with him all the way to have attempted to pack and leave-IMO the previous posters speculating she could be involved is quite possible

 

[ges79]

I saw a perfect photo of that shot the other day (no distortion) on a news site but for the life of me I can not find it now. It was very clear, did anyone else see it? It was from a link that was posted in one of the threads here.

Yes, someone (can't remember which poster) had a clearer, enlarged surveillance photo. It looked like a binder with a thick book (almost like a phone book) on top.

 

[Trino]

Neighbours said he was very hard on her, very controlling but she seemed happy enough and must be with him all the way to have attempted to pack and leave-IMO the previous posters speculating she could be involved is quite possible

Her name is Jennifer Hromadka, according to news reports. However, I have not seen anything from the media or LE that speculates she is a suspect or person of interest. I think she's yet to realize/admit what has actually happened.

Neighbors stated they placed suitcases in a car and sped away, as if to flee, yet media mentions they were watched all week and he was detained from his apartment, making it seem he did not attempt to leave. Another confusing part of this story.

 

[Skigirl]

I might be totally wrong but we know the following:
1) Ray and his fiance were self-proclaimed "animal lovers", and working in the animal care part of Yale's research facility may mean that they wanted to ensure the animals' wellbeing
2) Annie dissected cats in high school which is pretty atypical as far as I know, and her research heavily relied on the use of animals (rodents, albeit, but animals nonetheless)

Is it not feasible that Annie asked Ray to provide her with a larger animal, like a cat, and since 95% of animals at Yale are rodents, this would be an unusual request. Having a cat himself, this could have infuriated him and they could have gotten into a scuffle with the fiance encouraging him.

No. Annie would not have asked a tech to get his hands on a cat for her to do research on. The head of the lab (the "PI") makes the decision about what types of animals to work on, and there are lots of procedures for getting lab animals - you would not be able to - I can't stress this enough - be able to just ask a staff member to get an animal for you. No way.

 

[Waddles]

Her name is Jennifer Hromadka, according to news reports. However, I have not seen anything from the media or LE that speculates she is a suspect or person of interest.

I think she's yet to realize/admit what has actually happened.

Yes thanks, I knew her name-it's just that not showing for work and attempting to leave implies at least support, maybe not involvement

 

[Chili Fries]

Wow, I didn't see that coming. It may have been over him becoming enraged that Annie wasn't using correct protocol with the mice.

He may have called or e-mailed her and told her to come to Amistad and correct what she had done wrong. Seems like his rage, and OCD and control issues, found an outlet in the minutiae of workplace regulations. It's really sad he didn't get some kind of help for his mental health issues that could have prevented this tragedy.

 

[Harmony 2]

Good morning all!!!

I am five pages behind but wanted to post this touching article about Annie before I delved into reading.

Shayna Mcdonnell, a high school classmate, remembered the studious Le as shy on the outside but goofy on the inside.

"She always teased me that I didn't have a butt," said Mcdonnell, 24, recalling that Le gave her a birthday antidote: a pair of satin panties with shoulder pads sewn in.

Le did her undergraduate work at the University of Rochester; Princeton University had been her first choice, but her dream school turned her down. Her response, recalled former classmate Cierra Silva Montes, was to send a photograph of her rear end to the dean of admissions.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-annie-le-profile15-2009sep15,0,5055517.story

Disregard if already posted...

 

[TonyGatto]

". . . In the e-mails, Clark is said to criticize Le for not adhering to the protocols for tending the mice kept in the basement as part of her lab's ongoing experiments.
Le is said to have responded in a conciliatory tone, promising to keep to the protocols. Investigators wonder if Clark was not satisfied, if resentment suddenly flared to rage, if as crazy as it may seem this was a case of mice and murder. . .

. . . the swipe card records from the day Le disappeared show Clark moving from room to room with no apparent logic, at points going to places unrelated to his job . . .

Clark left the building at the time of a fire alarm. Surveillance camera footage is said to show him looking considerably more distraught than could be explained by a simple evacuation. "

BBM

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._brutal_tale_be_about_mice.html#ixzz0RG53veT5



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I just can't imagine Annie being the one who was not following protocols. I think it would be the other way around. Does anybody find it odd that a number of family members worked at the lab? Were they up to something nefarious that Annie was leading onto?

 

[Skigirl]

@Harmony2

Annie sent a picture of her rear end to the admissions office when she didn't get into Princeton?? WTH? I don't think that's cute - I think it's bizarre. I guess it's a small thing, but it's a weird thing to do.

 

[Waddles]

I just can't imagine Annie being the one who was not following protocols. I think it would be the other way around. Does anybody find it odd that a number of family members worked at the lab? Were they up to something nefarious that Annie was leading onto?

yeah, this was brought up a few times and the answers from those in the know was that it's frequent to have several members of a family in a lab as jobs get advertised internally - but then true, they could have been up to something-especially as each one of them did not show for work after

 

[Chili Fries]

I just can't imagine Annie being the one who was not following protocols.

It's not hard to imagine. Lab protocols are very well defined and often tedious and may be unnecessary to follow to the letter of the law. It's definitely not unheard of for somebody to use them for ulterior motives but this guy must have been unbelievably unhinged to get that enraged over them.