Ditto. I especially want to hear the very beginning. I wonder why they didn’t play this in the documentary.I want to hear the entire call. It was over 5 minutes?
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Ditto. I especially want to hear the very beginning. I wonder why they didn’t play this in the documentary.I want to hear the entire call. It was over 5 minutes?
The police department has not been very forthcoming. Looks like a recent FOIA request for the call and other evidence was denied: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/...s_post_hearing_brief_-_mol_01351775xadb93.pdfDitto. I especially want to hear the very beginning. I wonder why they didn’t play this in the documentary.
IMO, this was a crime of passion. Up close, personal, body covered up. So no hitman, as they would execute, not personal. That leaves Jeff and Conway as far as I'm concerned. Not Ali, troubled teen but no murderer who could drag 160 lbs of dead weight in broad daylight without being seen or covered in blood.
If you follow the money, which I agree is wise, then it's more likely Jeff. Barb knew a lot about his financial crimes. Conway didn't seem to have a pot to pee in. IMO, she likes the spotlight and is strangely proud of her extremely troubled past. I feel like the doc is just another way to get attention, this time nationally. She doesn't care if it's positive or negative attention. But Jeff sure seems to. JMO.
The police department has not been very forthcoming. Looks like a recent FOIA request for the call and other evidence was denied: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/...s_post_hearing_brief_-_mol_01351775xadb93.pdf
I made a post a few moments ago about Conway. I don't think she did it. She just likes the attention from the documentary and is especially craven for blaming her own niece.If it's Jeff though, and not a hitman hired by Jeff, why wasn't Jeff's DNA found at the crime scene? Conway was messed up, but not a murderer.
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I want to hear the whole call so badly! The doc ended too soon.But Madison gets the PD files through FOIA eventually at the end of the documentary. It was an added update. It was a struggle though!
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I made a post a few moments ago about Conway. I don't think she did it. She just likes the attention from the documentary and is especially craven for blaming her own niece.
As for the hitman scenario, I don't feel like it fits. Too personal. What hitman would look to find cushions to cover the body and look for a pallet to cover a bloodstain? The pallet would bring more attention from the street than a bloodstain. Even if the DNA found did not match Jeffrey, DNA doesn't make all cases, unfortunately. I've seen some MSM articles report that the DNA they found was from a male in the Hamburg family, which could be explained away by her own son's occasional presence in the house. And no, I'm not in the camp that thinks Madison killed his mom!
I hear total shock, disbelief, trying to not believe what is happening, interspersed with a difficulty in breathing, hitching breath, that sounds real and involuntary. It sounds to me like she's witnessing the scene for the first time.Here is the 911 call, made by Conway Beach at 11:25 a.m. on March 3, 2010
C 911 - 44 Middle Beach W 3 - 3-10 11 - 24 - 36 (mp3cut.net)
Something feels off about this call. It reminds me a bit of the Patsy Ramsey call from the JonBenet case...
I can't find a 911 call longer than the 1:37. I did find mention though of the call being 5 minutes long in a few different articles. I don't know why the full call would not be posted somewhere if the FOI got information released?Ditto. I especially want to hear the very beginning. I wonder why they didn’t play this in the documentary.
Things I hope Madison finds out through the FOIA Documents he now has:
1.) When Barbra got that mysterious phone call about the court date time changed to 2pm from 9:30 am, when it always was 9:30, to whom was she speaking? Phone records needed.
2.) Why didn't Barbra call her attorney immediately when she got that call?
3.) At what time do most document Barbra's murder?
4.) What items were DNA tested?
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The police department has not been very forthcoming. Looks like a recent FOIA request for the call and other evidence was denied: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/...s_post_hearing_brief_-_mol_01351775xadb93.pdf
Where in the documentary does it say Barbara got a **phone call** that the court hearing was going to be in the afternoon?
The only thing I could find was Barbara’s statements to others, none of which mention how she learned of the hearing time. She spoke with her friend Nancy by phone at 10:30 p.m. on Tuesday March , 2010, and said “She had court the next day at 2 o’clock...and that’s really weird because it’s usually always in the morning.”
Barbara’s sister Conway Beach’s witness statement to police: “Barbara told me that she and her attorney Rich Callahan were to be at court at 2 p.m. today.”
Madison Hamburg’s said: “For some reason, my mom thinks the court is at 2:00 or is telling people that court is at 2:00.”
Absent more specific information, there’s no way to know how Barbara concluded her court hearing was at 2:00 p.m. This leaves open the possibility she received that information by any number of methods: mail, email, personal delivery (legal docs are frequently served by messenger), what someone told her during a conversation (e.g. “ I forgot to tell you, the hearing was moved to 2:30 PM ) or even a handwritten note, (e.g. “Amy from the clerk’s office called. The hearing is at 2:00 p.m.”).
Guys,
Madison is on Twitter and if you follow him on Twitter you can get updates on the case. Thank God that Madison and Ali were able to get out of that hostile home environment.
My belief is that Jeff and Barbra (especially Jeff) were very money-driven and powerful people and they HAD to be at the top of everything. When Jeff lost his multi-million dollar CEO position at the electronics firm, I think that is when he probably started connecting with all of this overseas illegal wheeling and dealing to keep the money coming. Like the alcoholic reaching for another drink, Jeff would never accept not being successful at what he does, or living without something, And he could care less if it was illegal or put someone in harm's way to get what he wanted.
Similar where Barbra had to have her "Gifting Tables" to be successful and important. I missed the post above about the need for her to pay for Jeff's health insurance. Clearly the job loss made Jeff a changed man. At least Barbra had a loving and kind exterior (well, when she was sober anyway), which was probably a 50/50 shot from day to day.
The ONE thing that I believe about Conway, is the constant yelling and screaming in the family. I can't remember which family member talked about Jeff being a control freak, but I think he was certainly hot-tempered and likely abusive to both Madison and Ali.
I can't image the pain that Madison is feeling in trying so hard to be neutrally objective about this case in finding out the truth as to who killed Barbra and why? Is there anything that you guys think that Madison should be doing more or less of in regards to this case?
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If it's Jeff though, and not a hitman hired by Jeff, why wasn't Jeff's DNA found at the crime scene? Conway was messed up, but not a murderer.
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I'm guessing he was left out of doc on purpose and likely shouldn't be identified on here?It would very interesting to hear his views on his father (and also would be interesting to hear from an ex-wife for that matter) but I presume he declined to participate and that should be respected on here.
My opinion is that we have seen a very edited documentary meant to bring us into Madison's confusion (and it does an excellent job!). I do not think that Conway or Ali or Aunt Jill are meant to be taken seriously as suspects, but it helps show how much damage was done to all these relationships (and all these buried suspicions). I think there is only one serious suspect and I wish the PD had a way to prove their case and bring all Barbara's loved ones to a starting point for healing.
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My opinion is that we have seen a very edited documentary meant to bring us into Madison's confusion (and it does an excellent job!). I do not think that Conway or Ali or Aunt Jill are meant to be taken seriously as suspects, but it helps show how much damage was done to all these relationships (and all these buried suspicions). I think there is only one serious suspect and I wish the PD had a way to prove their case and bring all Barbara's loved ones to a starting point for healing.