CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #62

[Love Never Fails]

Between the State and Defense, I’m terribly confused and sure the jury is bored. Hoping the State is going somewhere with all this data. Yes the phone moved and then maybe it didn’t. So?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

State is painting a very nuanced theory that is more specific to MT than might be evident. Yes they have to prove a murder. And no they don’t have to prove motive. But I see this weird plot line developing about MT’s narcissistic mindset. The theory that MT wasn’t really involved “but should have known” and implicated herself after the fact is one way to hold her responsible on some level. But with her fixation on sex before and after the murder 1) making up or fantasizing sex in shower right before sending FD off to murder 2) tempting sex during the murder via emoji and 3) making up sexy time cleaning the Tacoma - I think in her head SHE thinks he is killing for HER. And in her narcissistic head - she finds that sadly arousing. It emboldened her, she encouraged FD, and was all-in on the plan for her own self-aggrandizing motive that is distinct from FD’s motive (just to get out of the divorce/custody). Look how fast he moved on from her.

She’ll be popular in prison.

 

[afitzy]

Will we ever find out what that “hard white object” is?

My guess is ME....

 

[Jmoose]

I don't disagree with you on this at all.

I think though that the Dulos v Dulos case had circumstances where JF had very real concern about the person MT spending time with her children. Sometimes BFs and GFs etc. are allowed and splitting partners are ok with it. In this case JF was NOT OK with it and she had a long list of reasons why.

The other issue is that originally there was more flexibility in the visitation arrangements for FD but with the caveat that MT and her daughter not be present. It became a sick game with FD and MT imo to play games with the childrens heads and have the lie to JF about MT and her daughter being at 4JX or off skiing with them etc. We saw in the LE Interviews that MT was angry at having to take her daughter away from 4Jx when the children visited and I bet she made FD life hell on earth on this issue every time the children came.

Manipulation from FD and MT was extreme and was psychologically damaging to JF as well as the children which is why Court intervention was also quite extreme. FD was denied visitation for a period and had mandated Court Order to seeing mental health counselling to address a series of issues identified by the Judge associated with how HE AND MT had treated the children and JF. The supervised visitation had to also be enraging for FD as he was effectively being treated as a child and watched and listened to and reported on each and every time he saw his children. Can you imagine the ego wounding and damage this inflicted on narc FD? MT fuelled this imo and the rest of the sad story we are hearing about in the this sad trial.

IMO there was no way with what all was going on in Family Court that MT could say that FD was 'WINNING" and that she would be the mother of 6 with FD having full custody unless she was both incredible stupid and delusional. Facts simply don't support thinking or believing even visitation conditions would change anytime soon around the time of the JF Murder.

MOO

One thing that infuriates me is that NB took over one of the childrens’ bedrooms-and then fD claimed that the bedrooms were remodeled because his two daughters had always wanted to share a bedroom, which is unlikely to have been either daughter’s own idea. I agree that while the spirit of the arrangement was the typical one, this really was specific to MT and her kid, because Jennifer was not dating-at least not regularly, and Fotis had moved his mistress and her daughter actually into the house, and tormented Jennifer with the arrangement. I really wonder how many time she actually took her kid and left while fD had his visitation?

 

[Megnut]

MOO

JS asked the witness things like

Can you tell us why it took X minutes to go X steps?

A person could be on a treadmill....

His conversion from meters to feet to yards was something to behold.

I'm sorry to all of you who were hoping for real time updates. He didn't give me anything to grab onto!!!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

MOO

What did we just endure?

MOO

To paraphrase MT, "Two Years of Hell in CT"....

 

[afitzy]

One thing that infuriates me is that NB took over one of the childrens’ bedrooms-and then fD claimed that the bedrooms were remodeled because his two daughters had always wanted to share a bedroom, which is unlikely to have been either daughter’s own idea. I agree that while the spirit of the arrangement was the typical one, this really was specific to MT and her kid, because Jennifer was not dating-at least not regularly, and Fotis had moved his mistress and her daughter actually into the house, and tormented Jennifer with the arrangement. I really wonder how many time she actually took her kid and left while fD had his visitation?

She mentioned trips to Boston and I think RI and possibly NY iirc....but she said herself in the LE Interviews that she didn't like to have to leave and hated planning these extra trips or going to hotel and so they then both disregarded the Courts Orders.

 

[Jmoose]

??????
Greek to English translation: call me tomorrow morning at mine and we'll talk

Agree.
Just to be clear though MT was involved with having the children lie and she also used her daughter to communicate with the Dulos children on behalf of the couple when FD lost access.
MOO

I recall that her kid was still trying to contact the Dulos boys after both MT and fD had been arrested and there was to be no contact between any of them. Of course, fD, MT, and NB all ignored those instructions.

 

[citygirl]

State is painting a very nuanced theory that is more specific to MT than might be evident. Yes they have to prove a murder. And no they don’t have to prove motive. But I see this weird plot line developing about MT’s narcissistic mindset. The theory that MT wasn’t really involved “but should have known” and implicated herself after the fact is one way to hold her responsible on some level. But with her fixation on sex before and after the murder 1) making up or fantasizing sex in shower right before sending FD off to murder 2) tempting sex during the murder via emoji and 3) making up sexy time cleaning the Tacoma - I think in her head SHE thinks he is killing for HER. And in her narcissistic head - she finds that sadly arousing. It emboldened her, she encouraged FD, and was all-in on the plan for her own self-aggrandizing motive that is distinct from FD’s motive (just to get out of the divorce/custody). Look how fast he moved on from her.

WOW.

 

[carolmaria]

What is Atty Felson doing to assist with this process?

MOO

~snipped~
Not sure about her research/strategic role and how much $ that would require.

Optics. Attempting to humanize a cruel defendant who destroyed every last vestige of girl code. ETA: Unfortunately, a story as old as time.
IMO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Between the State and Defense, I’m terribly confused and sure the jury is bored. Hoping the State is going somewhere with all this data. Yes the phone moved and then maybe it didn’t. So?

Looking like putting MT and Dulos locations together all the time.
That she was the one who answered the phone when Greek Alibi called. Clear he knew nature if the reason he needed to call, maybe they had a practice. (Earlier a WS posted the capture of this guy at airport coming to America to seize his phone, right?)
She was just walking around with his phone at the house - unlock, turn screen, unlock.
Link MT to FD all day, the dna, the phone, the death comments, her lying at interviews. Just build up with all the crumbs til jury thinks - wow look at all this info, there is no way she didn’t know.

(Too bad we don’t get her phone. )

 

[Megnut]

Did JS make a single point this afternoon? Or even attempt to?

 

[Jmoose]

Does anyone know if Andreas
Is a relative of Fotis or friend from Greece?

Andreas and Yannis Toutziaridis are childhood friends of Dulos.

 

[Jmoose]

Who is B?

“B” implies that fD is choosing anything but spending the rest of his life with his wife (I guess that includes killing her?)

 

[lucegirl]

Curious theory to say the least, where do you see State going with such a theory which is subtle to say the least....are you suggesting some kind of folie a deux or folie impose or some other similar events? I'd just been seeing her references to 'sex' etc. as means to simply distract conversation with LE from where it was at the time the reference or the 'sex' references could be part of their jointly composed alibi script too.

Frankly MT seemed delusional on many fronts for long periods of time in her life and quite certainly in her relationship with FD and FD quite possibly was delusional around the time of the murder, possibly manic and certainly consumed with rage and anger towards JF.

Narcs can be tricky and so far as it seems these two narcs certainly fed off of each other in various ways....

We have been waiting for FD emails and texts to see when he started 'grooming' Anna Curry....

Anna Curry moved into 4JX shortly after MD moved out iirc (less than a month iirc but no info on when FD made contact with her again)....

MOO

I don’t think they are doing more than just giving the jury a basis on which to consider the circumstantial evidence that the defendant who is the one on trial was not “just in the wrong place at the wrong time.” The defense story is she had no idea what was going on, everything has an innocent explanation from her vantage point. The beige clothes. The defense objecting “what does this have to do with my client?” With her crass language and lack of empathy about the victim - you start to see the side of her that scratches that nagging itch of ”why”? She has animus towards the victim. The emoji just jumped out to me like “I’m turned on by what you (FD) are in the process of doing - which means I have knowledge of what you are doing and I have a vested interest in the result.“ So I don’t think there is a different plot out there - I think the State is helping the Jury focus on the defendant’s individual knowledge, consciousness of guilt and culpability. The State has been criticized in the media, fairly in some cases, for not linking MT to the crime. That is what they are doing now. and that is way so many here say “ be patient, more to come”. I just sense a “momentum shift” away of what FD was doing and what she was doing and thinking while the crime was in process.

 

[Jmoose]

Now I'm "nak-ed," tongue out emoji
... group chat.

She is so gross

 

[afitzy]

Did JS make a single point this afternoon? Or even attempt to?

No

 

[Jmoose]

The MT role in the entire situation was iirc detailed in the Family Court file and there were depositions taken from both sides iirc as well (some were sealed at the time too iirc). Your question is a bit vague imo. Fact according to whom? JF, FD or the Court? IMO I view the Court final order as a representation of what was FACT a/o the time of the JF murder.

I believe it factually correct to say that JF in Family Court stated that she believed MT (and her daughter) for reasons which she elaborated on in depositions was someone that she did not want to have access to her 5 children. Fact according to FD was that he didn't agree with JF on the issue of MT and her daughter not having contact with the 5 Dulos children. Fact according to the Court after reviewing the matter was that the No Contact Order for MT and her daughter was NEVER lifted and so remained in place at the time of the murder of JF. As of the date of JF murder the status of FD visitation was supervised, the GAL in place at the time Atty Meehan had been dismissed due I believe to misconduct following an in court investigation and no new GAL was appointed as JF was 'missing' and custody of the 5 children passed to JF mother, GF.

My SPECULATION based on commentary of Defence Counsel and 4 years of social media commentary from MT and the Troconis Crew about the idea that somehow FD was 'winning' in Family Court and MT would soon become the mother of 6 children is quite simply preposterous on the face. The alleged report that cannot be admitted as evidence in the MT trial was never completed in Family Court, the Dr was totally discredited as he refused to show up in Court to speak on the record with Judge Heller and Judge Heller closed the file on the matter by removing the draft report from the Family Court file. My PERSONAL OPINION is that MT, Defence Counsel and Troconis crew references to a discredited and unfinished report from Family Court quite simply represents disinformation as there is no aspect of any their many statements based on fact. My PERSONAL OPINION about any of the just mentioned parties using confidential documents to which they were not party and were not available to them as the Family Court documents were under seal cannot be printed here under TOS.

I still don't understand how Defence Counsel has even been able to talk about the discredited report in this trial and I don't understand either why Judge R hasn't banned its mention? The Family Court file was sealed long before Defence Counsel entered the scene and I'm not going to rehash the entire debacle of the dismissal of the corrupt GAL Atty Meehan again as that horse has been beaten to death. MT had no standing to view the report either as it was 'eyes only' to the parties and their counsel.

So imo it appears the Court sided with JF on the issue of No Contact of MT and her daughter with the 5 dulos children. If you want to call this speculation then feel free as its my interpretation of a Court Order. But, I believe a final Order from a Family Court Judge represents a fact in this situation and as such speaks for itself on the matter.

Given everything in Family Court Dulos v Dulos is sealed now, if you are interested there were some articles that described some of the Family Court issues and there were the statements made by JF attorney on the record explaining exactly what the situation was in terms of the Court Orders in place at the time of the JF murder on the issues of custody etc. IF you are interested in the FD Family Court filings around the time of the murder I would refer you to the social media of the Troconis Crew who have been posting some of these sealed documents now for 4 years in a manner that I believe does not comply with Court Rules on the Family Court Documents for Dulos v Dulos.

My view has always been clear in that the Family Court ruling on the No Contact Order for MT and her daughter was always in place and even if FD petitioned for its removal, this never happened. We know from Court updates that this No Contact Order was not complied with on multiple occasions by FD and MT and as of the time of JF murder that MT and her daughter were not permitted contact with the 5 Dulos children. There was nothing in the record iirc to indicate that anything regarding MT and her daughter would be changing anytime soon but this I believe can be termed my SPECULATION.

This is my last post on this particular issue as this has all been rehashed many times in prior threads but I did want to summarise the 'facts' as I understood them to be at the time of the murder of JF.

MOO

Well done!!!

 

[Jmoose]

I always heard don’t put anything out there that you don’t want people to see or read. I never do. But people still amaze me with their ignorance. I’m guessing MT feels embarrassed right now.

What’s that saying…”Say it, forget it, write it, regret it…”

 

[Jmoose]

I always heard don’t put anything out there that you don’t want people to see or read. I never do. But people still amaze me with their ignorance. I’m guessing MT feels embarrassed right now.

I wonder how embarrassed she really is? She’s pretty shameless, and her family members don’t seem to find anything wrong with the way she expresses herself. I recall posting on social media, that photo of her with her two middle fingers up and her tongue hanging out, and her mother basically said “that’s just a beautiful girl having fun doing sports with her friends”. It was hideous! My mother would have beaten the you-know-what out of me if she saw that!