CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #63

[Megnut]

Smart to remember that the jury isn't hearing everything we're hearing.

They don't know that the ME was clipped.

Jmo

 

[afitzy]

Smartvto remember that the jury isn't hearing everything we're hearing.

They don't know that the ME was clipped.

Jmo

If they have watched Law & Order or any crime show then they will be looking for it imo.

Very frustrating that this happened. Still listening to remainder of Defence Counsel rant now....he is going back to his law school con law class now now on....its beyond painful....I'm down to my last few cans of hard seltzer and am strongly thinking of doing some 'add ins' as its simply not strong enough to listen to this.

I do wonder if State has another expert already on the list that could make some commentary on the amount of blood on the shirt and the bra along with the garage and the bags and then draw necessary conclusions based on possible experiments to prove out their conclusion as to JF being deceased?

Atty McGuiness I think is now even simply shaking his head back and forth.

And, lots of 'thrusting' at Judge R by Defence Counsel....

Yikes.


MOO

 

[MX27875]

They better have KM if they can’t have the ME. I think he’s in a position to get a really good deal now, unfortunately.

My bet is that his trial is contingent on whether he testifies, and there might be an agreement to not go to trial that is contingent on him testifying.

 

[Megnut]

They better have KM if they can’t have the ME. I think he’s in a position to get a really good deal now, unfortunately.

He already got a good deal. He's out of jail, while awaiting trial. Plus his hand spank for the terrible crimes against his wife.

I hope he is cooperating mightily with the State.

Jmo

 

[BUF]

They better have KM if they can’t have the ME. I think he’s in a position to get a really good deal now, unfortunately.

My bet is that his trial is contingent on whether he testifies, and there might be an agreement to not go to trial that is contingent on him testifying.

Just curious….why do you say they better have KM if they can’t have the ME?

Two different kind of witnesses imo.

 

[lucegirl]

“No body” homicide convictions are provable. I know in California the criminal case law, and jury instructions, are along the lines of “circumstantial evidence, when sufficient to exclude every reasonable hypothesis, may prove the death of a missing person, the existence of a homicide, and the guilt of the accused.” Put another way - “the corpus delicti can be established by circumstantial evidence.” Not sure about Connecticut - but I would hope there is something equivalent in terms of instructing the jury on circumstantial evidence. I can’t imagine any juror needing the ME to opine that the cut bloody shirt and blood scattered all over town by FD is proof of an unsurvivable crime. The evidence speaks loudly for itself. A lot of the recent no body cases I have read (in California) treat cell phone data as circumstantial evidence for this purpose - how many cases have you heard of where the idiot defendant searches the internet for “how to hide a dead body” - the internet search in and of itself can be evidence of homicide where there is no body. This is for the exact reason stated unthread - that when a defendant’s criminal activity makes locating the body impossible- that activity of hiding (trash can dumping) the crime, is evidence of the crime itself, and can be the basis of proof of homicide and guilt.

 

[Ruminations]

JS is describing the process of getting a car wash. Riveting.

Step one: identify a car that BELONGS TO YOU that you would like cleaned.

 

[pernickety]

“No body” homicide convictions are provable. I know in California the criminal case law, and jury instructions, are along the lines of “circumstantial evidence, when sufficient to exclude every reasonable hypothesis, may prove the death of a missing person, the existence of a homicide, and the guilt of the accused.” Put another way - “the corpus delicti can be established by circumstantial evidence.” Not sure about Connecticut - but I would hope there is something equivalent in terms of instructing the jury on circumstantial evidence. I can’t imagine any juror needing the ME to opine that the cut bloody shirt and blood scattered all over town by FD is proof of an unsurvivable crime. The evidence speaks loudly for itself. A lot of the recent no body cases I have read (in California) treat cell phone data as circumstantial evidence for this purpose - how many cases have you heard of where the idiot defendant searches the internet for “how to hide a dead body” - the internet search in and of itself can be evidence of homicide where there is no body. This is for the exact reason stated unthread - that when a defendant’s criminal activity makes locating the body impossible- that activity of hiding (trash can dumping) the crime, is evidence of the crime itself, and can be the basis of proof of homicide and guilt.

The wood chipper murder in CT. AIR the only bit they had of the wife was a bit of her fingernail or tooth.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

JS is describing the process of getting a car wash. Riveting.

Jury must be grateful that JS explained the “chairs for sitting” in the car wash waiting area.

 

[citygirl]

Huge credit goes to LE who zeroed in on the Weeds Farm near Waveny and homed in on the bicycle!

Jmo

I'm more than confused with the bike on Weed street. Looks like a large loop on a map with a lot in between. Confusing. Have you figured it out?

 

[afitzy]

The wood chipper murder in CT. AIR the only bit they had of the wife was a bit of her fingernail or tooth.

Yes, I put that case info here last week as I spent alot of time reviewing it after first having studied it in school ages ago, but I honestly don't recall if that case had ME testimony on cause and manner of death etc. Will have to go back and check.

I agree that ME testimony for purposes of the jury isn't essential as poster above stated, due to the fact that there will be an overwhelming amount of evidence on the related issues which should be sufficient for jury evaluation purposes.

I think my concern was one of the perception (vs. substance) of the lack of ME testimony to the Jury and whether there could be adverse inferences drawn by the Jury against the States case in a way that would be prejudicial because they didn't see testimony from ME but might have been expecting to hear it? IDK.

Hoping that the cell data will prove out all that is necessary for the jury such that the ME testimony isn't vital.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

“No body” homicide convictions are provable. I know in California the criminal case law, and jury instructions, are along the lines of “circumstantial evidence, when sufficient to exclude every reasonable hypothesis, may prove the death of a missing person, the existence of a homicide, and the guilt of the accused.” Put another way - “the corpus delicti can be established by circumstantial evidence.” Not sure about Connecticut - but I would hope there is something equivalent in terms of instructing the jury on circumstantial evidence. I can’t imagine any juror needing the ME to opine that the cut bloody shirt and blood scattered all over town by FD is proof of an unsurvivable crime. The evidence speaks loudly for itself. A lot of the recent no body cases I have read (in California) treat cell phone data as circumstantial evidence for this purpose - how many cases have you heard of where the idiot defendant searches the internet for “how to hide a dead body” - the internet search in and of itself can be evidence of homicide where there is no body. This is for the exact reason stated unthread - that when a defendant’s criminal activity makes locating the body impossible- that activity of hiding (trash can dumping) the crime, is evidence of the crime itself, and can be the basis of proof of homicide and guilt.

The judge I believe spoke to the jury on the first day of this trial about the different types of evidence they would be seeing in this trial and provided guidance. I would think his early comments on the topic would be mirrored in eventual jury instructions on the topic. CT I believe has only had 1 other no body murder conviction iirc which his the 'Woodchipper/Craft's case" MOO

Here is Cliff Notes summary of Craft's case for those unfamiliar with this case which was the first 'no body' murder conviction in CT history. Case document are available online for more information. http://www.mrpalermo.com/uploads/9/8/9/6/9896107/woodchipper_case_study.pdf

Wiki link on Craft's case:

Murder of Helle Crafts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IDK how comprehensive this Wiki list might be on "Murder convictions w/o Body" but it does provide some reference points imo:

List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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[Cloudydiamond]

The judge I believe spoke to the jury on the first day of this trial about the different types of evidence they would be seeing in this trial and provided guidance. I would think his early comments on the topic would be mirrored in eventual jury instructions on the topic. CT I believe has only had 1 other no body murder conviction iirc which his the 'Woodchipper/Craft's case" MOO

Here is Cliff Notes summary of Craft's case for those unfamiliar with this case which was the first 'no body' murder conviction in CT history. Case document are available online for more information. http://www.mrpalermo.com/uploads/9/8/9/6/9896107/woodchipper_case_study.pdf

Wiki link on Craft's case:

Murder of Helle Crafts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IDK how comprehensive this Wiki list might be on "Murder convictions w/o Body" but it does provide some reference points imo:

List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I so remember this case being from CT. They had a whole lot more if I remember. Tooth, caps, chainsaw? I think if the hard white object found, we would have heard about it early on.

 

[lucegirl]

Jury must be grateful that JS explained the “chairs for sitting” in the car wash waiting area.

Hahahaha! Yes - the person who leaves under cover of darkness, in someone else’s car, with a bike, drives within 3 miles of his wife’s home, bicycles around in a disguise, shaves head, leaves phone at 4JC, throws trash all over town, etc. etc., is going to sit in plain site, in the comfy car wash chairs, where he had concealed his identity from the car wash cashier, for 4 plus hours, to detail someone else’s old truck, under video surveillance. The jurors are not stupid and this kind of desperate cross exam stunt is insulting. Trial 101 - do not insult the jury’s intelligence!

 

[citygirl]

I so remember this case being from CT. They had a whole lot more if I remember. Tooth, caps, chainsaw? I think if the hard white object found, we would have heard about it early on.

The beginning of Dr.Henry Lee's notoriety.
I remember it well.

 

[Megnut]

I'm more than confused with the bike on Weed street. Looks like a large loop on a map with a lot in between. Confusing. Have you figured it out?

It's a direct route! Shown here on Google maps by car and by bike. 5 minute drive. 14 minute bike ride.

(69 Welles has been given a new address.)

 

[carolmaria]

Wondering about possible upcoming witnesses besides KM; the prospect gives me the shakes.

Cara Luft and possibly GF? Possibly oldest of JFD’s boys?

The tech guy who MT brought in to back up her computer/phone and wipe it clean?

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/local/article/How-police-used-technology-to-build-Jennifer-14978753.php

Didn’t hit a paywall…

Didn’t MT give him a funny look when the tech guy mentioned JF’s disappearance. Maybe I’m mistaken…

The Home Depot employee? Purchase footage?

JS’ antics are stalling the ramping up of evidence presentation; intentional of course.

The gravitas and stark truth of a ME not only would’ve dispelled any errant ridiculousness but also humanized Jennifer, who’s been sadly absent from this trial, except in LA’s loving testimony, PG’s kind memories, and the view of her lifeblood in her clothing.

Similarly to @lucegirl, good grief—the jury’s too smart for this! I pray.

I hope the P keeps bringing it, and that it’s enough.

 

[lucegirl]

The jury will be instructed to weigh evidence. Not all evidence is of equal weight. They will have to weigh 1) the probative value of no ME testimony regarding homicide; against 2) the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence of her death by homicide. Rational people will get to the right answer.

 

[waldojabba]

It's a direct route! Shown here on Googke maps by car and by bike.

(69 Welles has been given a new address.)

The route really is very simple - I used to bike to town on the same roads as a kid. Frogtown is windy and narrow and hilly. He would have had a lot of downhill mostly on the way to Jennifers after turning onto Frogtown until he finished uphill on the way to Welles Lane/JFD's. Weed St is relatively flat with no steep inclines.
JMO