CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #63

[Mysticeilis]

Put on the ankle bracelet PRONTO, she is and always has been a flight risk.
MOO

Ps I have flight risk on my bingo card!

Yes, I am also VERY concerned about this scenario! Look how close Donna Aldelson got!

 

[Eli9]

Yes, I am also VERY concerned about this scenario! Look how close Donna Aldelson got!

I need a refresher on the status of her passport. Anyone?

 

[Jmoose]

He already got a good deal. He's out of jail, while awaiting trial. Plus his hand spank for the terrible crimes against his wife.

I hope he is cooperating mightily with the State.

Jmo

He’s not-wait and see

 

[DeDee]

It's a direct route! Shown here on Google maps by car and by bike. 5 minute drive. 14 minute bike ride.

(69 Welles has been given a new address.)

Following the blue line, on the maps (ty), to the red arrow is Jennifer's home, correct?

The witness who testified about having 79 cameras on his property along Weed St, didn't he say there's no cut through because of bushes, a fence and marshy area? Or did I hear that wrong? < had to miss today so catching up > TIA

I saw the backpack on the cyclist, too. Where did Fotis get off of his bicycle? Did he cycle right up to Jen's house?

 

[Eli9]

Following the blue line, on the maps (ty), to the red arrow is Jennifer's home, correct?

The witness who testified about having 79 cameras on his property along Weed St, didn't he say there's no cut through because of bushes, a fence and marshy area? Or did I hear that wrong? < had to miss today so catching up > TIA

I saw the backpack on the cyclist, too. Where did Fotis get off of his bicycle? Did he cycle right up to Jen's house?

You heard right. No cut through.

 

[DeDee]

The jury will be instructed to weigh evidence. Not all evidence is of equal weight. They will have to weigh 1) the probative value of no ME testimony regarding homicide; against 2) the overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence of her death by homicide. Rational people will get to the right answer.

The defendant's charges are in regards to Jennifer's murder. Does the jury know that much? Or will they not be told her criminal charges until the trial ends and instructions to jury begin?

"49-year-old dual citizen of the United States and Venezuela, Troconis is charged in Connecticut with conspiracy to commit murder, tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution for her alleged role in Dulos' death."

 

[Megnut]

Following the blue line, on the maps (ty), to the red arrow is Jennifer's home, correct?

The witness who testified about having 79 cameras on his property along Weed St, didn't he say there's no cut through because of bushes, a fence and marshy area? Or did I hear that wrong? < had to miss today so catching up > TIA

I saw the backpack on the cyclist, too. Where did Fotis get off of his bicycle? Did he cycle right up to Jen's house?

I didn't follow the map with streetview but I'm guessing he followed the road until he got close. Then he hid hid bike and belly crawled the last stretch. Earned himself some poison ivy rash. Came up to JFd's from the back, stuck to the treeline. He couldn't be certain IMO there weren't security cameras...

JMO

 

[afitzy]

I need a refresher on the status of her passport. Anyone?

Current status is unclear as the last time I believe we heard mention of issue was when bond terms were discussed long ago. I would hope the bond company and LE have this issue clear by now.

IIRC she was supposed to hand in her Venezuelan passport I believe to LE (recall reading this in AA as she didn't disclose her Venezuelan passport to LE which was always quite suspicious imo). I don't recall if she was also supposed to also had in her US passport. I believe she lived in Argentina for 6 years but whether she had any official residency status regarding Argentina was never clear. IIRC FD threatened JF with taking the children to Argentina (ditto for Greece) where she could never reach them. MOO

 

[Eli9]

Current status is unclear as the last time I believe we heard mention of issue was when bond terms were discussed long ago. I would hope the bond company and LE have this issue clear by now.

IIRC she was supposed to hand in her Venezuelan passport I believe to LE (recall reading this in AA as she didn't disclose her Venezuelan passport to LE which was always quite suspicious imo). I don't recall if she was also supposed to also had in her US passport. I believe she lived in Argentina for 6 years but whether she had any official residency status regarding Argentina was never clear. IIRC FD threatened JF with taking the children to Argentina (ditto for Greece) where she could never reach them. MOO

Thanks for the response. Now I'm worried along with the rest of you.

 

[afitzy]

The defendant's charges are in regards to Jennifer's murder. Does the jury know that much? Or will they not be told her criminal charges until the trial ends and instructions to jury begin?

"49-year-old dual citizen of the United States and Venezuela, Troconis is charged in Connecticut with conspiracy to commit murder, tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution for her alleged role in Dulos' death."

Judge R read the charges to the Jury iirc as he opened the trial. IIRC everyone was waiting for opening statements after he did this but in this case the State just called their first witness and the trial has been moving forward since day 1 (slowly)....

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for the response. Now I'm worried along with the rest of you.

Venezuela in its 1999 constitution states iirc that it will not extradite Venezuelan nationals to the US (there was an extradition agreement signed back in 1923 between the two countries but for practical purposes I'm not sure it has much effect currently as US Govt periodically reaches deals to swap prisoners with Venezuela but overall does not have a good working relationship with Venezuela on extradition matters or much else politically imo). Its a toss up imo given the situation in Venezuela whether MT would flee there or if she could get there and perhaps safely move to another location in SA for a better quality of life vs Venezuela? MOO

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for the response. Now I'm worried along with the rest of you.

I've always been worried about it as she initially did not disclose her Venezuelan passport to LE. MOO

 

[citygirl]

It's a direct route! Shown here on Google maps by car and by bike. 5 minute drive. 14 minute bike ride.

(69 Welles has been given a new address.)

Thank you. Got it.

 

[citygirl]

Following the blue line, on the maps (ty), to the red arrow is Jennifer's home, correct?

The witness who testified about having 79 cameras on his property along Weed St, didn't he say there's no cut through because of bushes, a fence and marshy area? Or did I hear that wrong? < had to miss today so catching up > TIA

I saw the backpack on the cyclist, too. Where did Fotis get off of his bicycle? Did he cycle right up to Jen's house?

That's why I found it confusing. He did say that about the surrounding property which threw me off. You said it better. The backpack gave me a sinking feeling.

 

[Jmoose]

Current status is unclear as the last time I believe we heard mention of issue was when bond terms were discussed long ago. I would hope the bond company and LE have this issue clear by now.

IIRC she was supposed to hand in her Venezuelan passport I believe to LE (recall reading this in AA as she didn't disclose her Venezuelan passport to LE which was always quite suspicious imo). I don't recall if she was also supposed to also had in her US passport. I believe she lived in Argentina for 6 years but whether she had any official residency status regarding Argentina was never clear. IIRC FD threatened JF with taking the children to Argentina (ditto for Greece) where she could never reach them. MOO

She handed in an American passport, and when it came to light that she also had a Venezuelan passport (expired), she handed that in. But not voluntarily. Not sure if she has any others, or would be willing to use one belonging to one of her sisters.

 

[NCmom99]

If defendant is apparently on the text / cell phone / lap top during hearings, evidence, proceedings as there are reports of that….. then why is there an interpreter (with a strong, loud voice IMO) giving her in ear live renderings of testimony?
It is as though there are two hearings occurring.
Wish I was on that jury….. and I am not in CT. MOO

As someone who IS in CT, I’m scratching my head here as well. This is a tax payer funded service that makes sense to me for those who actually need it, but observing this case it seems the program is vulnerable to opportunistic abuse.

 

[Megnut]

She handed in an American passport, and when it came to light that she also had a Venezuelan passport (expired), she handed that in. But not voluntarily. Not sure if she has any others, or would be willing to use one belonging to one of her sisters.

Right. Like...did she keep a valid Venezuelan passport?

I hope LE has eyes on her somehow.

jmo

 

[NCmom99]

Nope I don't think you are projecting at all. I think you are simply using your knowledge from experience to very astutely describe what might be going on in this case with as you describe with 'honour cultures' and so you see things in a way that perhaps those folks from other cultures simply aren't attuned to seeing in the behaviour of folks. I happen to agree with you as to your assessment of both Greek and Venezuelan cultures btw and think you are spot on in your assessment.

IDK what all could be going on (if anything) between Rene Dulos, perhaps the Toot brothers and the Troconis Crew and MT. My speculation is that FD gave money to his sister or the Toots and perhaps MT knew this. A strong argument could be made that perhaps this FD money has made it back to the US to pay for MT defence as I have zero belief that the Troconis crew had sufficient funds to pay for 4 years of defence atty time and a long trial based on their means on top of paying the bond for release - unless of course Mama Troconis Medicare fraud was much more profitable than originally thought based on the facts disclosed in her case. NONE.

Thanks for your insight as I think it bears strong consideration here.

MOO/PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART

Interesting theory and would explain some of what hasn’t been adding up.

 

[MX27875]

Just curious….why do you say they better have KM if they can’t have the ME?

Two different kind of witnesses imo.

Because KM will say Fotis called him to say “The deed is done” or other information that will negate “Esteemed Defense Counsel” trying to say no body, no murder.

 

[afitzy]

I'm listening to the MT LE Interviews again on Harvard Atty Lee as she has fixed some of the audio issues to make it easier to understand what MT is saying about the issue of custody being possible for FD.

I will do my best to summarise what MT said even though I find her commentary on this entire issue purely delusional and her role during this period 2 weeks before the murder seemed to me to simply wind up and pressure FD to resolve things and he simply exploded with rage.

But, the MT testimony to LE on this issue also could be simply more of her lies and frankly after having listened to this portion of the LE testimony 3x now I do very much wonder if the drama around JF and GF mental health isn't just an elaborate distraction lie created by MT (possibly with the assistance of Mama Troconis) to distract LE and make her appear as a victim in the entire scenario as I do believe MT cares VERY MUCH how she appears to people. I also wonder if the "Family Plan" phone calls might sort out some of the truth from the lies from MT! I hope so as this is just a tangled mess of a story and as I have said before seems like this MT LE Interview reads like the typical SA telenovela but written by someone on CRACK! There is no doubt some truth in this entire long segment of the LE Interview but I'm not sure we know yet where it might be as every time I listen to this story from MT it seems less and less believable....

Anyway, here goes a brief summary along with some of my questions from listening to MT comments to LE:

I never fully understood WHEN FD and MT went to FD Psychologist Humphrey to discuss JF - seems like MT is saying she and FD went to Psychologist Humphrey 2 weeks before the murder of JF. MT talks in the LE Interview about how she wanted to see a "Professional" as she wanted to make sure that 'she was safe, given JF issues allegedly raised in the Herman Report as I would be around the children and JF for the rest of my life". [clip of this discussion happens at 17:59 in Harvard lawyer Lee clips). Question: Was the reason MT stated as reason for going to Humphrey true or a lie? IDK.

What is fascinating is that it seems like MT wrote according to the LE Interview "Paraphrase: MT did alot of research she said and she wrote various lists on 67 things about all the psychological issues discussed about JF in the discredited Dr Herman report and MT reports that FD read all that she wrote and that they discussed all her lists on the issues with Psychologist Humphrey". Can you imagine what FD thought about MT and her list of 67 issues or is this even true? How long did it even take her to do her 'research' and write down her lists of 67 issues and questions. Question: Is this true or is this yet another MT lie? IDK.

I do wonder if FD was possibly doing a 'con job' on MT to try and pacify her to back off on her attacks against him on the issue of resolving divorce/custody but that she was then taking what he was feeding her on the report she claims to never had read and proceeds to bang the drum loudly on the fact that he needs to resolve divorce and custody etc. And so there was this escalation in the pressure in the MT/FD relationship during this period as it seems to be really ratcheting up in a potentially dangerous manner in the two weeks before the murder of JF by FD and fwiw I see MT most clearly as a catalyst of the emotional situation in the relationship escalating dramatically. MT during this period is amping up the pressure on FD while he is trying to pacify her and say everything will be ok because JF 'gets it".

What is also fascinating is that in addition to doing all this research on BPD etc. MT my SPECULATION is that MT enlisted Mama Troconis (herself a discredited former mental health counsellor) and that MT then proceeded to wind up FD on the entire issue as MT kept repeating over and over in the LE interview that she was very upset, very upset and I was concerned and wondered if I was safe....MT also claims that in the discredited Dr Herman report (which she never read as the report was in Atty Mike Rose office - interesting that MT even knew where the report was located) that the big concern was that the Dulos children weren't safe with JF (and ditto for GF).

What is fascinating is that MT does her level best in the LE interview to not only fully discredit the mental health of JF BUT she does the exact same thing about GF in a way that I believe is most clearly slanderous at a minimum. Question: Is MT lying to LE to in her mind somehow justify her involvement in the murder of JF? - IDK but she sure talks a along time and works hard to be quite convincing to LE imo.

What is so fascinating imo about this is that MT seems to fully believe (or is selling LE quite hard) that BOTH JF and GF (2 people who she no doubt believes wish her ill etc) are BOTH mentally incapacitated while she MT is emotionally 'healthy'. But, MT isn't done and now MT in the LE Interview also goes off on issues of JF sister as well (more slander here imo and I do hope GF and JF sister go after MT in civil trial for her remarks about them!). Fascinating that she has seemingly created adverse mental health information scenarios about each of the 3 people who she might believe either wish her ill or could possibly take on custody of 5 dulos children?

Apparently this interview with FD, MT and Psychologic Humphrey happened 2 weeks before the murder.

What is fascinating also to see is in the LE Interview imo MT is very clearly saying to FD that she believes JF is manipulating him and is dangerous (all the while her concern seems to be only for herself which imo is quite telling as she never really seems to even care about FD safety or even the safety of her daughter etc.) while FD is allegedly saying to her that JF 'gets it' and is willing to work with him on the custody issue. Seems like there is ALOT of MT prodding of FD on the issue of resolving custody and divorce.

Interesting imo how clear it is that MT is front and centre in the entire custody situation and seems very well aware of all that FD has told her about the discredited Dr. Herman report. But, what is also interesting imo is that FD seems to be saying to MT that JF 'gets it' and that there will be some resolution to the situation down the road - FD seems to be trying to pacify MT issues while MT seems to be trying to wind up FD getting him to act to resolve the divorce/custody situation. Still its fascinating to me that knowing what she knows (or claims to know) during this period that MT doesn't leave. Nope, she stays put.

At the point in time which was 2 weeks before the murder I very much wonder if FD was trying to pacify MT that the situation would be resolved because he knew that JF would no longer be alive in 2 weeks? This knowledge by FD made it 'safe' to try and pacify MT that all would be well in their world. Question: Was any of this true or is that just more MT lies to LE? Interesting that she works hard to make it clear that FD was the one saying that "JF gets it" while its MT who is saying that JF is dangerous and manipulative. Very curious imo and I wonder why MT is clearly putting FD in a passive role and someone who is willing to possibly work with JF when everything we know about FD is that he never just passively sits back and chooses to simply work with someone who he feels is an adversary. Its honestly hard to believe the MT narrative about FD state of mind here and I very much wonder if this is just another lie on top of many lies with this entire story?

But, it doesn't seem that MT bought this FD narrative that JF "gets it" she is 'selling hard' to LE and she seemed in her imo passive aggressive approach to be demanding that FD do something to resolve the situation soon or this is what she is trying to 'sell hard' to LE.

But, we've seen with MT in her prior LE Interview that she creates drama or certainly bizarre scenarios and lots of words and distractions around portions of the situation or story where she feels uncomfortable or vulnerable to questions or criticism. Perhaps the answer to all of this is that the part of the murder of JF that MT was most concerned about was the two week run up to the murder and that is why she concocted this elaborate story for LE? IDK

My speculation here is very much that MT well knew about the pending murder of JF at least two weeks before the murder and so created all this 'drama' and 'relationship tension' in her narrative with LE to simply distract from the issues that she knew LE was really interested in which was where was JF and I think MT created this entire line of narrative about mental health of JF and GF etc. as a smokescreen of lies for LE while in reality the couple FD/MT were very much in sync on the issue of murdering JF.

What is also fascinating is that in the LE Interview clips that MT clearly says that she believes FD killed Jennifer. MT spends so much time in her remarks being less than clear but as it relates to FD killing JF, I believe MT was quite clear here. Why? Did she say it because she thought LE wanted her to say it or did she say it because she knew it to be true?

My speculation is that MT well knew that JF was going to be murdered and no doubt knew it long before she and FD took the trip to see Dr Humphrey. FWIW, I'm not sure anything MT says about the reasons for the visit to Dr Humphrey can be believed and I very much wonder why else the couple might have gone to meet with Dr Humphrey? Were they trying to have his assistance or get some help figuring out how to secure full custody of the dulos children and their money? I am not believing the MT story at all about her being concerned for her safety. But, there was a reason for the couple meeting with Humphrey but I am not sure we yet know what it was.

I just think that what MT was feeding LE in her interview as simply a tangled mess of lies and some truths and I just hope LE sorted through it all and we eventually learn the motivation behind this interview which imo is MT at her delusional worst. But, regardless of what is true here and false here, its quite clear that MT KNEW EVERY DETAIL OF THE DISCREDITED HERMAN REPORT and was enmeshed with FD on whatever his plans were for the murder of JF imo.


MOO