CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #63

[Genieeasy]

Where’s it going? To a mistrial! Or at least somebody’s got to spend a night in jail.

I know I know …Judge R seems so measured and in control but the court process unraveled big time at the end of today despite testimony from a very astute witness…so much underhanded stuff still going on after 4 long years.

 

[Silverstorm]

mt trying anyway she can to get out of this mess.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

My two cents (and qualifier I am not an attorney) - and hope one would weigh in if has not already occurred:

One might envision that a mistrial would be possible or declared in a situation where the prosecution, court, or other official (not associated with the defendant) - had seemingly been prejudicial or taken action against the defendant such that the defendant was at disadvantage of receiving a fair trial…..

And in a scenario(s) where the alleged conduct or actions of the defendant and /or their counsel were the contributing event(s), would not be a reason for declaring a mistrial? And steps would be taken to place sanctions and actions against the offending parties.

And perhaps the trial of defendant MT shall continue, with the goal of justice in the case for JFD and her family.
MOO

 

[BUF]

mt trying anyway she can to get out of this mess.View attachment 483562

Did she post this at 7:09….I’m confused

 

[shotgun09]

I am re-watching the trial footage today. The state was handed a note from their investigator. Each attorney was handed a separate paper. They both quietly confirmed and acknowledged whatever was on the note. You then could see them both looking towards the defense table with their screens displayed. I believe MT still had her 'showing' on the screen at that moment, although I am not sure. In any case, the state rises to respectfully ask for the sidebar....and at the same time the female defense attorney and MT were ( notified by someone from the gallery?? )...suddenly shutting down their screens. This was BEFORE they knew what the sidebar request was for. ODD. And suspicious as hell.

Did someone in the gallery, maybe knowingly.., watch and hope for the Farber family and friends in the gallery to SEE what was displayed, and anticipate the quick move ( and note) to the state? Were they all conspiring for a mistrial?

 

[citygirl]

Among the Judge's remedies here, I hope he doesn't pull the livestream plug.

The media has been most responsible. It's the defense and defendant who are in contempt. Censure them.

JMO.

If need be to preserve this trial, then so be it.
It sounds as though tomorrow and Tuesday are the end of the prosecution's case.
Won't bother me a bit to skip the defense's presentation.
I would hope that closing arguments will be televised.
MOO

 

[citygirl]

r

No disrespect intended!!! I firmly believe Jennifer Dulos is actually laughing down from Heaven at this point! Ah, Jennifer - so very sorry for your horrific loss.

Love the thought.
Wouldn't that be grand?

 

[BUF]

I am re-watching the trial footage today. The state was handed a note from their investigator. Each attorney was handed a separate paper. They both quietly confirmed and acknowledged whatever was on the note. You then could see them both looking towards the defense table with their screens displayed. I believe MT still had her 'showing' on the screen at that moment, although I am not sure. In any case, the state rises to respectfully ask for the sidebar....and at the same time the female defense attorney and MT were ( notified by someone from the gallery?? )...suddenly shutting down their screens. This was BEFORE they knew what the sidebar request was for. ODD. And suspicious as hell.

Did someone in the gallery, maybe knowingly.., watch and hope for the Farber family and friends in the gallery to SEE what was displayed, and anticipate the quick move ( and note) to the state? Were they all conspiring for a mistrial?

You are correct. I just went and re watched exactly what you described.

 

[pernickety]

Atty Felson was ABSOLUTELY a TONE DEAF MORON if she thought the issue was one of camera coverage of their monitors!

Before I had to leave the stream (about 4 p.m.,) I saw MT smiling while listening to whatever Felson was saying to her. Wondered what she seemed so happy about.

 

[Silverstorm]

I hope this doesn't end in a mistrial. That would only reward mt. I hope she and her lawyers suffer consequences.

 

[AbbyG]

I have great respect for this judge and he really knows his stuff. I hope this trial can continue. One thing I was thinking is that if MT hadn't been deeply involved, FD would don't have risked dumping her for AC. He knew she could not implicate him without implicating herself. He knew she was just as guilty. Guilty as sin. Both of them and likely KM too. MOO.

 

[MX27875]

Per the AW, At 1:36 PM, the black suburban with the Thule rack and white jeep pulled into 80 MS.

There are gaps where they don’t say when the white jeep or suburban left.

Where did the black suburban originate from from, and why is the state not trying to tie the cars together as far as who was where and when?

 

[Jmoose]

He knew the disappearance occurred in the morning?

I mean, of course he did, but the Suburban was found Friday evening. And IIRC, the missing releases all included a pic of a car like her Suburban. When did LE sharpen the timeline?

MOO

He knew, but an innocent man would have had no idea, right?

 

[waldojabba]

https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-live-updates-day-22-dulos-18669067.php

Troconis may be held in contempt following an incident in which she allegedly displayed the contents of a sealed custody report on her computer during Thursday’s court proceedings.

After Thursday’s hearings concluded, Manning informed the court that Troconis had displayed text from a sealed report regarding the Duloses’ custody battle in “a very high, big font.” A close friend of Jennifer Dulos is the one who recognized what was on the screen and informed the state.

“The beginning of it reads, ‘Dr. Krasner told me…’ in quotes,” Manning said.

Randolph said the matter will be investigated before court begins again tomorrow, and depending on the findings, Troconis may face consequences.

“If it is being disseminated with the involvement of the defendant, then the court has to take certain action, because then it’s a violation of a court order,” Randolph explained.

more at link…

Quote below from the article attached above by @BUF
After MT answered the call from Tout - she made a call twelve minutes later.
Did they indicate who she called ?
I was unable to watch again today - until the end of the day. I did catch the tail end with JS’s cross (eye roll) - and then the bs about MT’s screen and Felson’s “ My Gosh your honor that won’t happen again”.

JMO


“His analysis also found that Fotis Dulos’ phone received a call from a number in Greece at 8:26 a.m. on May 24, 2019, a call previous testimony revealed was from his friend Andreas Toutziaridis. That call was answered and lasted about 18 seconds. Twelve minutes later, he said, Troconis made an outgoing call.”

 

[citygirl]

You are correct. I just went and re watched exactly what you described.

I thought I heard MM say a friend of the victim or a Farber friend? And, what's with the defendant's family whispering talking to the jury? What is wrong with those people?

 

[afitzy]

I doubt she had bpd. I do believe she was a victim of his covert abuse. She probably never experienced it before. Of course she was all over the place. 5 kids, a controlling and emotionally abusive spouse, a cheat etc. she was fragile during this time. But no, didn’t have a personality disorder. Coersive control can make you crazy. Someone you don’t even recognize.

I think today we saw the impact and power that a discredited and disallowed Family Court report can have simply by virtue of its existence. We have seen the power of such a discredited report in the hands of Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson the Defendants Attorneys in this case as they seek to weaponise a report that cannot be brought into the Trial as evidence by virtue of their effectively testifying about it in Court. I believe this to be profoundly wrong and I blame both them and Judge R for allowing it to happen and happen repeatedly.

The disgraced report is now alleged to be in possession of the Defendant and was apparently in view on her computer today in Court and is SEALED, meaning it is not to be in her possession.

Make no mistake that imo everything we saw play out in Court today was simply a continuation of everything that has been going on in Social Media from the Defendant and the Troconis Crew for 4 years now and I believe it all to be shameful as its based on Victim Shaming and Blaming as if JF is somehow responsible for her own murder by FD and MT and KM. Keep in mind, neither the Defendant nor her Family ever met the Victim. Nope, not once. Yet, they have felt entitled to blame and shame the Victim now for 4 years and have behaved in a similar manner towards PG.

We don't know what was in that discredited report and even if Defence Counsel/s and Defendant CLAIM to have knowledge about the contents there is absolutely no way to know if what they are saying is factually correct.

IMO we have witnessed never ending repeating claims about the disgraced report made by Jon Schoenhorn, Audrey Felson and Defendant since this trial began and its now brought us and the Court all down to the level of the Defendant and the Troconis Crew who has been seen on social media for the past 4 years where victim shaming has occurred on rinse and repeat.

We also respect Victims here and Victims and their children/families are entitled to respect and privacy.

I am hugely uncomfortable on behalf of the Victim and her children to repeat ANYTHING that Defence Counsel/s and Defendant have stated about a report that has never been seen and so cannot be corroborated and CANNOT BE ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE TO THIS TRIAL PER JUDGE R.

We are entitled to know nothing about JF here other than the fact that she is a VICTIM as are her 5 children. We have learned over the years alot on these threads about the DV she endured and the impact of DV on the entire Dulos family. Beyond this I personally don't feel comfortable going even though I do speak alot here about the impact of DV on people, family and loved ones. DV is a national tragedy and a human tragedy but I do believe strongly that DV Victims or any Victim for that matter is entitled to respect and privacy both in life and in death.

There has been a concerted plan in place imo both on social media and in this Courtroom by Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson and the Defendant and Troconis Crew to bring the discredited report which was disallowed in Family Court into the Defendants trial. This campaign has been going on for years. I do believe that by virtue of repeating their statements that it sickly gives credence to what I firmly believe are mischaracterisations that they are repeating for their own purposes.

We saw today a disgraceful imo cross by Audrey Felson of Atty Meehan, former GAL where she pushed and prodded on the issue of the disgraced and discredited report until Judge R had enough and said, "you have crossed the double yellow line" to one of her statements posed as a question (she is learning quickly from Defence Counsel with his "testimony/cross routine"). Let that sink in. Audrey Felson today simply in effect took off her earrings and jumped in the sewer with the Defendant and the Troconis Crew to mud wrestle for every shred of information she could pull out of a report that Judge R had ruled cannot be admitted as evidence. There are lines of behaviour and rules of Court and today Audrey Felson crossed them all not one but 4 times by my count and she did it with no impunity other than a scolding by Judge R. Vigorous defence is a cornerstone of the judicial process but we are sadly bearing witness imo to something that far exceeds the bounds of vigorous defence.

What is happening both in Court by the Defendant today and on Social Media imo is wrong on so many levels, not the least of which is because the person the Defendant and Troconis Crew and Joh Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson claim to speak about is NOT HERE to defend themselves or speak for themselves in any way.

I've spoken alot about DV and the impact it can have on even the strongest of the mentally and psychologically strong amongst us. DV can bring strong people to their knees psychologically and keep them there a long time even with therapy ime.

I don't know what the correct answer on this complex issue of Victim privacy and respect but I think as a start it might make sense to not repeat anything having to do with Defence or Defendant statements regarding the Victim that they allege to have come from a discredited sealed document as that is precisely what they are trying to make happen.

Just my POV.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I think today we saw the impact and power that a discredited and disallowed Family Court report can have simply by virtue of its existence. We have seen the power of such a discredited report in the hands of Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson the Defendants Attorneys in this case as they seek to weaponise a report that cannot be brought into the Trial as evidence by virtue of their effectively testifying about it in Court. I believe this to be profoundly wrong and I blame both them and Judge R for allowing it to happen and happen repeatedly.

The disgraced report is now alleged to be in possession of the Defendant and was apparently in view on her computer today in Court and is SEALED, meaning it is not to be in her possession.

Make no mistake that imo everything we saw play out in Court today was simply a continuation of everything that has been going on in Social Media from the Defendant and the Troconis Crew for 4 years now and I believe it all to be shameful as its based on Victim Shaming and Blaming as if JF is somehow responsible for her own murder by FD and MT and KM. Keep in mind, neither the Defendant nor her Family ever met the Victim. Nope, not once. Yet, they have felt entitled to blame and shame the Victim now for 4 years and have behaved in a similar manner towards PG.

We don't know what was in that discredited report and even if Defence Counsel/s and Defendant CLAIM to have knowledge about the contents there is absolutely no way to know if what they are saying is factually correct.

IMO we have witnessed never ending repeating claims about the disgraced report made by Jon Schoenhorn, Audrey Felson and Defendant since this trial began and its now brought us and the Court all down to the level of the Defendant and the Troconis Crew who has been seen on social media for the past 4 years where victim shaming has occurred on rinse and repeat.

We also respect Victims here and Victims and their children/families are entitled to respect and privacy.

I am hugely uncomfortable on behalf of the Victim and her children to repeat ANYTHING that Defence Counsel/s and Defendant have stated about a report that has never been seen and so cannot be corroborated and CANNOT BE ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE TO THIS TRIAL PER JUDGE R.

We are entitled to know nothing about JF here other than the fact that she is a VICTIM as are her 5 children. We have learned over the years alot on these threads about the DV she endured and the impact of DV on the entire Dulos family. Beyond this I personally don't feel comfortable going even though I do speak alot here about the impact of DV on people, family and loved ones. DV is a national tragedy and a human tragedy but I do believe strongly that DV Victims or any Victim for that matter is entitled to respect and privacy both in life and it death.

There has been a concerted plan in place imo both on social media and in this Courtroom by Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson and the Defendant and Troconis Crew to bring the discredited report which was disallowed in Family Court into the Defendants trial. This campaign has been going on for years. I do believe that by virtue of repeating their statements that it sickly gives credence to what I firmly believe are mischaracterisations that they are repeating for their own purposes.

We saw today a disgraceful imo cross by Audrey Felson of Atty Meehan, former GAL where she pushed and prodded on the issue of the disgraced and discredited report until Judge R had enough and said, "you have crossed the double yellow line" to one of her statements posed as a question (she is learning quickly from Defence Counsel with his "testimony/cross routine"). Let that sink in. Audrey Felson today simply in effect took off her earrings and jumped in the sewer with the Defendant and the Troconis Crew to mud wrestle for every shred of information she could pull out of a report that Judge R had ruled cannot be admitted as evidence. There are lines of behaviour and rules of Court and today Audrey Felson crossed them all not one but 4 times by my count and she did it with no impunity other than a scolding by Judge R. Vigorous defence is a cornerstone of the judicial process but we are sadly bearing witness imo to something that far exceeds the bounds of vigorous defence.

What is happening both in Court by the Defendant today and on Social Media imo is wrong on so many levels, not the least of which is because the person the Defendant and Troconis Crew and Joh Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson claim to speak about is NOT HERE to defend themselves or speak for themselves in any way.

I've spoken alot about DV and the impact it can have on even the strongest of the mentally and psychologically strong amongst us. DV can bring strong people to their knees psychologically and keep them there a long time even with therapy ime.

I don't know what the correct answer on this complex issue but I think as a start it might make sense to not repeat anything having to do with Defence or Defendant statements regarding the Victim that they allege to have come from a discredited sealed document as that is precisely what they are trying to make happen.

Just my POV.

MOO

The defendant's attorney did not say she did not know how the report came to be in her clients possession, or that she she hadn't known it was in her client's possession. She only said she didn't give it to her.

MOO

 

[Silverstorm]

Did she post this at 7:09….I’m confused

Lol! Yes I took a screenshot on my phone of this at 7:09 and forgot to edit that out.

 

[Genieeasy]

Defense desperately grabbing at whatever they can

 

[waldojabba]

Iirc the a copy of the custody psych dr H report was found at 4 JeffXC by LE? When they were searching the house/ office after the arrests. The speculation was that Norm had given the copy to FD somehow ? Does anybody else recall this? JMO