Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

[MemPat]

Remember that he planned that it would seem like she was abducted at Waveny- so he was probably planning to pick up the kids-too soon for them to be onto him- as was originally planned on Saturday morning in NC expecting LE to still be scratching their heads and searching at Waveny. Thus the excited call to the GAL Saturday morning, have you heard the news? FD was not worried about being a suspect yet, thinking all evidence had been disposed of. In that phone call he told the GAL he had alibis. He’s a narcissist, so expecting that he’s smart enough to pull this off and then go pick up the kids like nothing happened.
I’m sure the GAL, given his mandate, was never going to let FD near the kids Saturday as planned. I’m also sure that GF contacted the GAL as soon as they realized JD was missing since FD and kids had a supervised visit scheduled for Sat am in NC and there was no way she was going to let that happen. And of course LE would have been very interested to talk to the GAL early on, too.

FD should have watched more crime shows and made himself aware that coughing up an alibi before you've even been accused puts a guilty spotlight on you. Yet another dumb move, dude!

 

[NCmom99]

It's good to see that RD opened the door re the issue of FD's single handedly taking care of their parents KD and PD.
Is it relevant that this single handed burden of care FD took on re the care of KD included FD allegedly hanging out in Italy two months after KD sustained severe injuries and internal bleeding and head trauma in a staircase fall and that later FD claimed to investigators that JD supposedly reported to FD that KD had twice fallen and lost consciousness in the three days before the nanny FD almost certainly selected and employed ran over KD, yet FD did not contact hospital on KD's behalf to have his mom transferred, instead she was just heading out at night with children to the grocery store?
I wonder if RD has read that Connecticut State Police report about the KD death investigation sloppily patched together more than three months following KD's death? I wonder if RD can tell us why an autopsy wasn't done or whether KD ever told RD she'd like to be cremated; why KD is apparently not buried beside KD's husband in the cemetary in Canton?
If anyone ever puts her on the stand, I'm sure she's super nice, but I'm hoping the prosecutor asks her who assisted her with composing, writing (or "translating") this statement for RD? Perhaps it was her amazingly helpful brother? Perhaps it was her amazingly helpful brother's wonderful attorney/s?

 

[LittleBitty]

Has phone cloning been discussed in depth here? I’ve been reading up on it and am very curious about how it works. Specifically, in one way. Is anyone pretty well versed in cloning? If this has already been well covered just throw popcorn at me or something harmless...lol

 

[NCmom99]

Are certain introductory statements generally typical of a translation of the Greek language into English? "Is it relevant" reminds me so much style wise of the "I would like to mention" disclaimer in FD's police statement with regard to his mother's accident.

 

[MemPat]

I know I keep going back to a 55-gallon drum but the concrete also makes me think that because people used to/may still put things they want to get rid of in a drum, put in concrete to make it heavy, hammer the lid on, and dump the drum in water. Lots of environmental contamination used to go that way. Even soil would work to weigh it down. It’d be heavy to get up into a truck bed—banging would occur for sure as you rolled it in there. Also, and I hate to say this, but even in the country, you often can smell something like a deceased raccoon or deer if it’s out in the open, and surely people looked for buzzards right after. On the lye, etc., if a drum were found still sealed, I imagine a chemist could ascertain that something else had been there, too, based on the laws of mass and all that—or something!

Yes, Hope, I fear Jennifer's in a drum at the bottom of one of those bodies of water and wonder if that's what LE has been looking for. A drum could be rolled out of a truck and into the water.

Drew Peterson did this to the second dead wife and even though a friend told the police he helped carry the drum out, they never found it and Drew was never tried for Stacey's murder. Of course they dug up the other wife and got him on that one so it turned out well.

 

[CarefullyTaught]

Wow! Such amazing posts to come back to after such a stressful weekend! So many great ideas/theories!

Thought: Assume that MT and FD are not secretly collaborating together and that she truly wants no part of Pattis pitter patter and FoDu’s crock of an alibi for the morning hours of the 24th. Further assume that MT was nowhere near NC during that same time frame and that our damsel under duress was fearlessly returning a fabulous designer purse to a pal and gabbing about souvlaki recipes with another...It would be obvious assuming the above that FD (as my best friend and poster pointed out—though she’s just lurking right now) NEEDS MT more than she needs him.

I mentioned in the previous thread (I think) that it’s not enough to say she came home (4 Jefferson Crossing) after her “errands” around 11:00’ish am and FD was right there waiting at home, eager to enact some creepy version of the movie “9 and 1/2 Weeks” with tzatziki and feta cheese. She must also be able to say that FD was there when she left on her scavenger hunt or whatever she was doing that morning.

This is intriguing to me. The more I think about it the more I truly believe that he left much earlier that morning like 2-4 am on the 24th. Maybe he went to the Sturbridge Hill address until it was time for JD to drop off the kids.

Regardless, we know that we would be able to see any cars entering and leaving the driveway of 4 Jefferson Crossing from two of the neighbors surveillance cameras. It is also entirely possible that FD knew his neighbors had cameras and walked to another location (Mountain Spring, Deercliff (which is the closest .4 miles) where his vehicle was waiting for him and he did not approach the mouth of the driveway.

Another thought: LE has said very little and pretty much made it routine since JDs disappearance not to comment on much of the searches outside of Waveny Park and MIRA. Most of our information about Fore Group, LLC properties or any other areas have come from MSM. Re: what if the loud banging sound coming from 61 Sturbridge Hill was LE? I know many posters believe it’s linked to JDs disappearance and possible disposal of remains/evidence. But within an hour or so of her being reported missing LE was already checking out FD and was aware of FD. He only had one NC property and much of the early hours after she was reported missing were focused on Waveny Park. But we know from MSM that the address has been searched at least 3 times along with a metal dumpster. Is it possible that LE went onto the property? Since it was within miles of her home? Searched the dumpster etc... at that time as well? A wellness search done based on emergency—blood found in the garage? Just a thought.

Third thought: I find all of the speculation about when FD “learned” there was a Silver Alert for JD very important and also fascinating. I am of the opinion he learned sometime within an hour or two of her being reported missing OR an hour or two of the Amber Alert being issued. Obviously he was aware the morning of the 25th. I was thinking LE contacted him fairly early on. I say this because JDs family and friends were very much aware of how dangerous FD was to Jennifer. Just like the friend who was on the phone with 911 when Travis Alexander was found murdered who said Jodi Arias name on the call. I believe LE was very aware from the time her friends reported her missing at 6:59 pm on May 24th of Fotis Dulos and once they saw the blood in the garage...the Arrest Warrant says early on that LE was aware of not only his many properties but many vehicles as well.

All of the above is MOO of course. Finally caught up on all of the posts. Lol.

Welcome Back @LittleBitty ! We all missed you on the thread this weekend — I’m sorry it was such a stressful one!

Things just aren’t the same around here without your staccato phrasing and great backhand!

Keen theories too!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

The sister of Fotis Dulos, estranged husband of missing New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos, says “he is not the person they say he is”

Photo attached: Fotis shaking Norm’s hand and the smirk on his face, as if to say: “We sure fooled ‘em, didn't we Norm?”

MOO

He sure doesn’t look like a man who’s desperate to comfort his children while their mother is missing. Reminds me of OJ.

 

[LittleBitty]

Are certain introductory statements generally typical of a translation of the Greek language into English? "Is it relevant" reminds me so much style wise of the "I would like to mention" disclaimer in FD's police statement with regard to his mother's accident.

ITA! That reminds me of the movie The Russia House (a personal favorite) where Michelle Pfeiffer’s character (who is Russian) keeps telling Sean Connery’s character (who is a Brit) “It’s not convenient!” It is explained to his character that what she means is “It’s not proper.” It just gets lost in translation.

 

[bkgregg5]

IMO, he did not expect to receive the call yet, because he still had the trash bags and had not yet completed, IMO, the 'Set Up' of the Ex-Employee by the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity'.

FD would have definitely wanted to get those bags taken care of first since he would not want them anywhere near him or one of his properties when he is notified.

Since FD could only have Supervised visits with the children and Supervised phone conversations, I highly doubt that he could have direct phone contact with them and vice versa through conversation, texting, or IM.

It is possible to block people from calling to and receiving from someone's phone. I have done this with my grandson's phone and I had to enter a passcode that he does not know, nor could he figure out.

IMO, LE contacted FD late Friday night or early Saturday morning, after they determined that a 'serious physical assault' happened in JD's garage at 69 Welles Lane and GF told LE about the contentious divorce.

IMO, LE saw FD as prime suspect #1 right from the start and took measures to not make a situation where FD would Run.

LE took their time and kept everything even keel so not to spook FD until they could get enough evidence to make the arrest.

IMO, FD and MT would have turned their phones off for the 'Odyssey' had they already known LE was on the case.

Snapchat. Instagram Message. KIK. These are the major three APP players when it comes to teens contacting people under the radar. If any of the older Dulos kids had these apps, it would be easy to contact a parent without the other knowing. Let’s remember (according to the former teacher who posted several threads back) the kids adored their father. So I can see them having some sort of contact on the down low. It’s life, and despite what we think of FD, the kids don’t necessarily share the same perspective.

For those of you that do not have teenagers these days, you would be shocked to know what kids do share via social media. I know GF released a statement saying they are monitoring the kids internet access, etc. But the bottom line is kids can access all sorts of info, with parents/grandparents/nannies being none the wiser.

I have a specific, quite personal example. Three years ago my husband had three coworkers killed in line of duty deaths in the same incident. The department had never had multiple deaths at the same time and in hindsight delayed too long the notifications to family. Even though that early am I knew who had died, those immediate family members (spouses and children) did not. Because the mayor insisted on going to three separate houses to do the notifications, word got out via social media. The final family notified had three children. Before the mayor could even knock, another first responder’s kid sent a Snapchat with the info. One of the recipients? One of the deceased’s children. That’s how an 11 year old knew her father had been killed in the line of duty....From a Snapchat message.

My point is this. Kids are different today. I don’t think for a minute the Dulos kids were cut off completely (phone wise) from
their dad, despite a court order. Likewise, I don’t think the kids aren’t now hearing things via Snapchat and Instagram. Unless you take away all devices up to and including IPads and computers, you just can’t patrol and prevent everything.

 

[bkgregg5]

Another possible explanation of how FD heard about the search for JD could be tracked to the MT's daughter talking with FD's kids by text, phone, or Skype. When MT was allowed to go to NY, either the judge or the state's attorney mentioned the no-contact order included the children contacting one another. That was an interesting comment, but made sense since the kids had interacted in the past and shared similar interests. It could have been as simple as, "We aren't going to be able to see you this weekend unless my mom shows up. Everybody is looking for her." MOO

This!!!! It’s like I’ve said. Court orders for no contact mean nothing when it comes to teens. I am in no way meaning they did anything wrong. They are children and don’t understand the bigger things at play. But to think they don’t all communicate is a mistake MOO

 

[NCmom99]

I just took the time ( ) to read FD’s sister’s statement. All I can say is... my ex’s sister would and did say the same garbage. She didn’t know. She wasn’t married to him. He was the little boy she knew, loved and grew up with - not the true monster he had grown up to become.

Agree, head in the sand. No effort to address or get ahead of what might be potentially controversial. Scripted IMO

 

[AbbyG]

Rena Dulos defends brother, says she was once close with Jennifer Dulos

In the interview above, Sister Dulos admits to making an "obligatory" statement, really. And the way she expressed how FD would want nothing more than for JD to return eventually to her kids - hmm strangely worded, reminds me of Chris Watts insisting he wanted nothing more than for the wife and kids he murdered to come home -- of course he did, so he could get out of the -ton of trouble he was about to be in! It's like - yes I am truthful in this moment, I want to undo what I did because I don't want to go to prison. FD isn't going o get away with this. MOO.

 

[NCmom99]

Wow! Such amazing posts to come back to after such a stressful weekend! So many great ideas/theories!

Thought: Assume that MT and FD are not secretly collaborating together and that she truly wants no part of Pattis pitter patter and FoDu’s crock of an alibi for the morning hours of the 24th. Further assume that MT was nowhere near NC during that same time frame and that our damsel under duress was fearlessly returning a fabulous designer purse to a pal and gabbing about souvlaki recipes with another...It would be obvious assuming the above that FD (as my best friend and poster pointed out—though she’s just lurking right now) NEEDS MT more than she needs him.

I mentioned in the previous thread (I think) that it’s not enough to say she came home (4 Jefferson Crossing) after her “errands” around 11:00’ish am and FD was right there waiting at home, eager to enact some creepy version of the movie “9 and 1/2 Weeks” with tzatziki and feta cheese. She must also be able to say that FD was there when she left on her scavenger hunt or whatever she was doing that morning.

This is intriguing to me. The more I think about it the more I truly believe that he left much earlier that morning like 2-4 am on the 24th. Maybe he went to the Sturbridge Hill address until it was time for JD to drop off the kids.

Regardless, we know that we would be able to see any cars entering and leaving the driveway of 4 Jefferson Crossing from two of the neighbors surveillance cameras. It is also entirely possible that FD knew his neighbors had cameras and walked to another location (Mountain Spring, Deercliff (which is the closest .4 miles) where his vehicle was waiting for him and he did not approach the mouth of the driveway.

Another thought: LE has said very little and pretty much made it routine since JDs disappearance not to comment on much of the searches outside of Waveny Park and MIRA. Most of our information about Fore Group, LLC properties or any other areas have come from MSM. Re: what if the loud banging sound coming from 61 Sturbridge Hill was LE? I know many posters believe it’s linked to JDs disappearance and possible disposal of remains/evidence. But within an hour or so of her being reported missing LE was already checking out FD and was aware of FD. He only had one NC property and much of the early hours after she was reported missing were focused on Waveny Park. But we know from MSM that the address has been searched at least 3 times along with a metal dumpster. Is it possible that LE went onto the property? Since it was within miles of her home? Searched the dumpster etc... at that time as well? A wellness search done based on emergency—blood found in the garage? Just a thought.

Third thought: I find all of the speculation about when FD “learned” there was a Silver Alert for JD very important and also fascinating. I am of the opinion he learned sometime within an hour or two of her being reported missing OR an hour or two of the Amber Alert being issued. Obviously he was aware the morning of the 25th. I was thinking LE contacted him fairly early on. I say this because JDs family and friends were very much aware of how dangerous FD was to Jennifer. Just like the friend who was on the phone with 911 when Travis Alexander was found murdered who said Jodi Arias name on the call. I believe LE was very aware from the time her friends reported her missing at 6:59 pm on May 24th of Fotis Dulos and once they saw the blood in the garage...the Arrest Warrant says early on that LE was aware of not only his many properties but many vehicles as well.

All of the above is MOO of course. Finally caught up on all of the posts. Lol.

Wow, time away well spent - so many fresh thoughts to contemplate!

 

[afitzy]

The arrest warrant says that NCPD received the report of JD being missing "at about 7:00 pm", that 10 minutes later (7:10 pm) Dulos' cell phone traveled to the Albany Avenue area in north Hartford, and that by 7:41 pm FD's cell phone was back at his Farmington home. If Dulos' phone was in north Hartford by 7:10 pm, I don't think it's likely that NCPD had already contacted him since NCPD only received the missing person's report about 10 mins prior.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...rants/6d596144af51cba22c02/optimized/full.pdf

Keep going back to this timing and the way you tied in the timing of trip down Albany with MT.

My suspicion in that the JD friends were at the NCPD station for awhile working on the report so say 5-6 pm and report was finished and filed by 7 pm as a guess. I just wonder if as part of filling out the report that someone from NCPD asked the friends about marriage situation and learned that the parties were separated. Could this question have generated a call to FD in Farmington that then prompted him to take the ride with MT down Albany? It might have made some sense during this early period that NCPD figured a quick call to FD might make some sense to see if he had any info or if JD was with him in Farmington for whatever reason.

 

[afitzy]

There was a Silver Alert put out on her that evening, I wonder if that is how he learned of her disappearance.

Many locals got the Silver Alert (I saw it) and local papers started covering it on Sat/Sun. Still don't know if the Silver Alert was made over the entire state or into NY/Westchester.

 

[mom2chloe]

Yes, Hope, I fear Jennifer's in a drum at the bottom of one of those bodies of water and wonder if that's what LE has been looking for. A drum could be rolled out of a truck and into the water.

Drew Peterson did this to the second dead wife and even though a friend told the police he helped carry the drum out, they never found it and Drew was never tried for Stacey's murder. Of course they dug up the other wife and got him on that one so it turned out well.

The water issue haunts me because we know how much he loves water. He made his kids ski despite their fear. IMO

 

[Tink56]

Agree, volunteering the phone was very odd. Aside from him actually being innocent, the only way I can make sense of it is superficial cooperation -- trying to appear innocent. I'd like to know what would have happened if LE got a chance to question him that day. You would think he would have been willing to talk since he went to NCPD. JMO.

It's been bothering me that the iPhones seized would require a passcode or fingerprint. Did FD and MT volunteer those, too?

I know in the San Bernardino terrorist shootings, Apple refused to help open the phones. LE never revealed how they finally gained access.

MT and FD might have given access during their "interview," but how did LE keep them open?

 

[Mrs. M]

FD should have watched more crime shows and made himself aware that coughing up an alibi before you've even been accused puts a guilty spotlight on you. Yet another dumb move, dude!

I had not even thought of that! Also, coughing up an unwanted and unsolicited alibi for your co-defendant makes you look desperate.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

One thing FD did that he didn't have to do was go to NCPD headquarters the day after. Have no idea what NCPD told FD about the purpose of this visit but we know FD arrived with his lawyer. Presumably he was prepared to say or do something (superficial cooperation??), otherwise he wouldn't go. I get the impression from FD's motion to have evidence returned that the NCPD visit went south quickly. Seems like FD showed NCPD his phone and was taken aback that they refused to return it, and when the phone was confiscated FD and his attorney quickly exited. IMHO.

FD's visit to the NCPD with his lawyer the day after JD was reported missing by concerned friends was the first and last time there was any reference to him 'cooperating' with the investigation into JD's disappearance.

IMO, he was still thinking at that point he had gotten away with it and LE would continue to be hands off, even though he had already talked to and arranged to go there with his lawyer within less than 24 hours since she was reported missing.

IMO FD thought he could just say 'gosh, no, I don't know nothing, laters!' (initial superficial cooperation) and they would swallow it and let him walk away without any consequences like taking and keeping his phone.

When he was arrested and in jail a week later for evidence tampering, etc., in those photos of him in his orange jumpsuit with his hands cuffed IMO he definitely had a crazy disbelieving look in his dark, sinister eyes, like he couldn't fathom being in trouble for something he never thought he would have to do anything more than brush off with admonitions of "I'm not involved, but let me tell you how troubled she was...".

ETA: Point being, I think he he was really surprised by all the attention and that he might not be able to get away with murder because people were paying attention and his wife had laid the groundwork for him to be the primary suspect if anything were to happen to her. JMO. His behavior seems eerily similar to Scott Peterson's when his pregnant wife Laci went missing. He thought her family, friends, and LE would just accept it and go on about their business, and was surprised when there was so much unrelenting attention on finding her.

 

[Mrs. M]

Has phone cloning been discussed in depth here? I’ve been reading up on it and am very curious about how it works. Specifically, in one way. Is anyone pretty well versed in cloning? If this has already been well covered just throw popcorn at me or something harmless...lol

All I know I learned from television, but it seems pretty basic. They do it a lot on Homeland and that show with Taraji Hensen and then the actor who played Jesus and the guy from Lost. Yeah, it seems pretty common.