Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

[CarefullyTaught]

Sister Dulos is so out of touch. How is Jennifer supposed to return when RD’s controlling/a**hole/idiot brother is disposing of bloodied items? Notice she didn’t ask if the dumpster date night was relevant.

“Dumpster date night” @bkgregg5 I love it!!!

 

[sleuth66]

Agree with your assessment. MT was listed on the FORE Group website as Manager of FORE Group. We have no idea what her tasks were with the Company but from blog posts on the FORE website it appears she handled promotion, social media and had some knowledge of computers. Beyond this we know little unfortunately.

Here’s an interesting aside. In 2016 Fore Group Inc. (owner, contact, FD) applied for an H1B visa and a green card for employees. The H1B occupations were construction manager and interior designer; the Green Card occupation was Marketing Manager (salary $122,992). It looks like 1 H1B was certified, and 1 Green Card was “certified-expired”. There were no other applications in any other years listed.

 

[clearskies1]

So glad you have returned! Just read the arrest warrant again (each time reading it something new pops out!). The warrant is very clear to identify FD as the 'estranged' husband of JD. So, NCPD knew what they were dealing with in FD IMO and no doubt had an earful (or 3!) from friends and GF IMO. The arrest warrant was also quite clear that even after the iPhone X being handed over that FD did not cooperate with LE.

Yes, I suspect this is why FD and his attorney promptly exited NCPD headquarters. FD may have thought he would be able to schmooze LE, but IMO they were not having it. The apparent cooperation of coming to police headquarters and giving his phone seems to have evaporated quickly. JMO.

 

[afitzy]

Seems entirely possible, IMO. If so, LE can probably do forensic work on cloned phone setups, and gather more information on them than burner phones.

Also I would think that LE can look at cell phone activity in the area of Sturbridge on the dates in question with some precision to see that a phone was at the location. Perhaps all this forensic tech work is what has been consuming so much time in addition to DNA work from the MIRA plant? Tracking back all these cells and locating possible burner phone traffic could take alot of time IMO.

 

[Bulldogs2]

Statement issued by Rena Dulos, older sister of Fotis Dulos

Please let me get out my violin

 

[afitzy]

Here’s an interesting aside. In 2016 Fore Group Inc. (owner, contact, FD) applied for an H1B visa and a green card for employees. The H1B occupations were construction manager and interior designer; the Green Card occupation was Marketing Manager (salary $122,992). It looks like 1 H1B was certified, and 1 Green Card was “certified-expired”. There were no other applications in any other years listed.

Bingo! Great find!

This confirms the earlier theory that FD had to hire MT because of immigration status issue. So is there any way to tell the Green Card current status? This also could be a 'hook' that FD has into MT as she no doubt wanted to stay in US as her daughter was in school near Farmington.

Still baffling that MT didn't have US citizenship as she was born in TN. Maybe it was the tax issues associated with US citizenship that she didn't want but it made it harder to stay in the US without being employed IMO.

 

[CarefullyTaught]

Phone cloning? I have never heard of this. However, remember that we are discussing an individual who used tape to attempt to disguise license plates. Tape. Not paint. And he made ~30 stops at dumpsters monitored by cameras. I don't think he did this, but out of curiosity, I am off to Google. MOO

Oh, @Kapua ! You are making my sides hurt !

 

[MemPat]

I had not even thought of that! Also, coughing up an unwanted and unsolicited alibi for your co-defendant makes you look desperate.

Desperate is a good word to describe that micro expression we saw on FD's face at the hearing. Remember when he looked at Pattis?

 

[MemPat]

Sister Dulos is so out of touch. How is Jennifer supposed to return when RD’s controlling/a**hole/idiot brother is disposing of bloodied items? Notice she didn’t ask if the dumpster date night was relevant.

Love dumpster date night!

 

[LittleBitty]

The reason I am so curious about cloning is bc NP let us all know multiple times that he had a morning “meeting” with an attorney (IMO FaceTime phone call), a call from Greece and an afternoon meeting so he had most of the morning “occupied” and had no time to go to NC and kill JD and clean up the crime scene and dump her Tahoe and drive back to Farmington. Then we learned from the ever chatty NP that MT basically can prove he was nowhere near MC bc she was with him?

Anywho back to cloning...as it relates to the items LE seized from FoDu.

“Fotis Dulos’s attorneys file 2 discovery motions asking that the state preserve all evidence gathered through video/audio recordings, notes, transcripts. They also are asking for the state to return three vehicles, 2 iPhones, a Mac book pro and other computers seized.”

Jennifer Dulos disappearance reaches day 25, Fotis Dulos files motion to get back evidence seized

Now I know that FoDu is not the brightest bulb in the strand but could he easily have used one iPhone to clone the other? OR have used the Mac Book Pro to clone his iPhone? Or used his Mac Book Pro to make phone calls?JMO.

Did y’all know that some people have found out their phone has been cloned when their phone company asks them if they have been traveling? Bc imagine sitting at home chilling but someone has cloned your phone and is driving around robbing banks?

 

[afitzy]

Just wanted to put this custody info into the thread for @gitana1 as I haven't seen this reported exactly this way before this article:

"The motion also states Judge Heller suspended Fotis Dulos’ visitation of the children for a period in 2018 because she believed he lied to the court". [Haven't seen this reported this way previously and I haven't read this far into to 2018 in the court file]

“The defendant does not seem to appreciate in any respect the consequences of lying under oath and willfully violating a court order,” Heller said at the hearing when his visitation was suspended, according to the motion.

As a result, the judge found that his unsupervised visits presented an “immediate and present risk of psychological harm” because he was encouraging them to lie.

"From March to May of this year, the motion says Dulos was unable to have private conversations with the children and he could not speak to the children in a different language".

 

[Bulldogs2]

Good to hear from RD and read her heartfelt comments about her brother FD. Her comments certainly add dimension to the information already in the press about FD IMO. I generally tend to believe actions of individuals more than their words so will reserve commentary until trial.

We also have the entire money angle of the FORE Group in play that has zero info yet from LE. My suspicion is that the money left the country for safekeeping so whether it was MT that facilitated this for FD or perhaps another family member we just don't have information on this topic unfortunately. I very much hope FBI/Interpol resources have worked on this topic.

What is hard to come to terms for me with is reading family commentary (on this case of any case for that matter) that is clearly being said from the heart and then attempting to reconcile the commentary to the years and years of specific actions and choices made by FD whether it be in business, family, JD, prior relationship and current relationships. The court record alone on FD portrays him as an individual in a very specific way. I'll take the easy way out at this early stage of the game and say humans are complicated beings and FD certainly appears to be a complicated individual IMO.

A complicated individual who goes on a dumping spree of his wife’s blood soaked clothing and sponges with his side piece that he wanted to move in with wife and children. As someone else on this thread said- “ things that make you go hmmmm.”

 

[afitzy]

The reason I am so curious about cloning is bc NP let us all know multiple times that he had a morning “meeting” with an attorney (IMO FaceTime phone call), a call from Greece and an afternoon meeting so he had most of the morning “occupied” and had no time to go to NC and kill JD and clean up the crime scene and dump her Tahoe and drive back to Farmington. Then we learned from the ever chatty NP that MT basically can prove he was nowhere near MC bc she was with him?

Anywho back to cloning...as it relates to the items LE seized from FoDu.

“Fotis Dulos’s attorneys file 2 discovery motions asking that the state preserve all evidence gathered through video/audio recordings, notes, transcripts. They also are asking for the state to return three vehicles, 2 iPhones, a Mac book pro and other computers seized.”

Jennifer Dulos disappearance reaches day 25, Fotis Dulos files motion to get back evidence seized

Now I know that FoDu is not the brightest bulb in the strand but could he easily have used one iPhone to clone the other? OR have used the Mac Book Pro to clone his iPhone? Or used his Mac Book Pro to make phone calls?JMO.

The cloing question is interesting and I wonder other than eyewitness accounts and CCTV what LE can do to investigate cloned conversations? Does FBI/NSA technology have the ability to detect cloned phone conversations? IDK. Off to google...

 

[sleuth66]

Bingo! Great find!

This confirms the earlier theory that FD had to hire MT because of immigration status issue. So is there any way to tell the Green Card current status? This also could be a 'hook' that FD has into MT as she no doubt wanted to stay in US as her daughter was in school near Farmington.

Still baffling that MT didn't have US citizenship as she was born in TN. Maybe it was the tax issues associated with US citizenship that she didn't want but it made it harder to stay in the US without being employed IMO.

Somebody else with more tenacity could maybe dig into this further. I couldn’t find the “current status” but this was just from a superficial cruise through a public website database. If someone is driven to dig into this deeper you might be able to find more information on it. Also, should be noted we can’t confirm this was MT but the job title (and salary) seems suggestive.

I do know FD had another employee that was not from the US at one point but that person is not known to be involved at all and thus can’t be discussed (and likely isn’t of any relevance anyway).

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I wonder whether ReDu knew much about the prequel marriage as that divorce to wife one was reportedly finalized just a month before the lavish NY wedding to wife two? I wonder what ReDu thought of that, if she knew of that, if she kept up with wife one?

Seems to me a classic bit of FD overconfidence given all the (other people’s money and) planning and arrangements and lead time for reservations, venue, catering, entertainment, music, attendants, travel, etc, that FD’s wedding to JD occurred the month following his divorce from wife one. FD sure seems to have cut that one close.

Just sayin’

Yeah, but all bets may have been off (lack of proper timing and planning for the second marriage to JD) with the goose that laid the golden egg in his clutches. Throwing caution to the wind and all that because they were so in love.

I've often wondered how FD and JD connected / reconnected as Brown alums and within less than a year he had divorced his first wife and they were married. I think I read very early on that they 'ran into eachother at the airport in Colorado(?)' and things progressed pretty quickly from there.

All JMO, just could see FD trolling the circles they both traveled in (Brown alums and subsequently both getting Masters' degrees at prestigious universities in NYC) and honing in on her because she was lovely, wealthy, still single and wanting to start a family. Gives me the chills to think someone could be so dispassionately preying on someone who had the attributes they were looking for, but it wouldn't be the first time a sociopath weaseled their way into the life of someone successful and high achieving, using their 'good looks', 'charm', and 'social standing'.

 

[MemPat]

So sorry I just. Could. Not. Pass. Up. The. Opportunity! Please don’t hate on me lol...

Sister Dulos
Oh the time has come
And you know that you're the only one
To say okay
But you're motoring
Yeah motoring

I’m going to hell in a bicycle basket!

Hello, Night Ranger!

 

[LittleBitty]

The cloing question is interesting and I wonder other than eyewitness accounts and CCTV what LE can do to investigate cloned conversations? Does FBI/NSA technology have the ability to detect cloned phone conversations? IDK. Off to google...

I was reading on this one link how to do it. It’s illegal and NO ONE should do it and if the phone company finds out they can ban you. But there are apps and a lot of times people do it to back up their own phone. Just in case. Like having a copy. But mostly I would think the reasons to do it are very sketchy. They said all phones are traceable though and can be tracked. But I still don’t understand much about it. But FoDu could have accomplished cloning using two iPhones or an iPhone and a Mac Pro which are the items LE seized and like as NP said “FD really wants them back!”

 

[MemPat]

Also I would think that LE can look at cell phone activity in the area of Sturbridge on the dates in question with some precision to see that a phone was at the location. Perhaps all this forensic tech work is what has been consuming so much time in addition to DNA work from the MIRA plant? Tracking back all these cells and locating possible burner phone traffic could take alot of time IMO.

As we get concerned about how long everything is taking we must remember that gaining access to each separate set of records requires a new warrant.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Please let me get out my violin

... and my 'barf bag'... really goes to show how low FD and his defense team must be stooping and grasping at straws of late to have his sister write such a bs la la kind of thing and then release it to the media. It turns my stomach. Like instead of a sympathy card to her sister in law's family, she writes one to the American public to congratulate her brother on how great he is. The stench of family loyalty, lawyerly malfeasance, and uncooperative stance / stonewalling by FD when his wife of 15+ years is missing and his 5 children are in a state of terrible loss is beyond comprehension, unless you compare him to other socio / pyschopaths who have come before. What a travesty. ETA: Err, Greek Tragedy (tears)... JMO

 

[afitzy]

I was reading on this one link how to do it. It’s illegal and NO ONE should do it and if the phone company finds out they can ban you. But there are apps and a lot of times people do it to back up their own phone. Just in case. Like having a copy. But mostly I would think the reasons to do it are very sketchy. They said all phones are traceable though and can be tracked. But I still don’t understand much about it. But FoDu could have accomplished cloning using two iPhones or an iPhone and a Mac Pro which are the items LE seized and like as NP said “FD really wants them back!”

Did a brief jump on google...cloning is a black hole of possibilities IMO for wrong doing...

Do you know where the courts are these days with tying physical location of an individual to cell phone location?

I know we have seen this in other cases (there was the case in Phoenix recently where the boyfriend manipulated cell phone location of the GF he was later accused of murdering if I recall) and for some reason I think that it cannot be assumed that personal location and cell phone location can be used in courts/LE for purposes of alibi and proof of location. IDK answer to this question.