Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #13 *ARRESTS*

[Curious in CT]

It seems to me perhaps LE has exhausted the possible locations for her remains based on his cell phone pings - so IMO he may have left it somewhere or turned it off - I'm curious about the Rhode Island Property near the ocean. May have to look into this. Thanks for keeping the media thread updated. I'm not finding much in the way of new news.

@oviedo - I must have missed reference to the RI location. Can you link or explain where it's located?

 

[3blue1pink]

I lean toward #2. I think he would have wanted to get rid of the body asap. I think too, he would want her body, if found, nearer the park and her vehicle. Jmo, of course.

True . I guess in my mind it would depend on how the murder took place . Did he plan on going to JD’s house and killing her “cleanly” and she fought back causing blood to be spilled ? If he hadn’t planned on clean up this probably threw a wrench in the works . So he had to bring MT into it to help with that . As for the body disposal MT might not have even been involved in that aspect , come to think of it .

 

[Daisyeve]

I would think that her body is on land that is not connected to him in any way. If he didn't bury her almost immediately himself, then I believe her body was passed off to someone who has taken her a considerable distance away and disposed of. Could be anywhere in the Poconos for instance.
It doesn't make sense to me that her body would be taken a distance to another of his properties, if found, it would not be considered a coincidence and would tie right back to him.

Every time I see him, he seems so smug, like he knows that she will never be found and I cannot shake that feeling.

Agree- she doesn’t even enter his mind anymore because he is focused on the next part of his plan which includes more such as revenge/custody/money. It worries me that investigators may have been given false info by MT to give remains time to disintegrate or be driven far away by an unknown person and dumped and now FD is feeling very confident that his master plan is working. I think he is even more dangerous now and I feel sure he is being closely.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Hi, all,

I realized last night that I’ve been thinking this was unplanned. I no longer do, and that makes a difference in how one looks at where she might be. I also have been thinking about him from the standpoint as a builder or contractor and really, that isn’t his core set of skills. I recalled FD’s degree in applied mathematics and how he brings up percentages and probabilities fairly often.

So now, I’m wondering what the straightest route to a disposal location might be for JD based on an assumption of a planned murder. Some of you have been thinking this way all along so it probably has been considered. Now I think that general thoughts of probabilities came into the trash run: what would be the probability that a random bag of trash in someone’s trash can would catch the eye of a trash hauler? At the same time, perhaps his math focus kept him from using imagination to wonder about cameras on the trash route!

As I took a look back at his education and what applied mathematics is and involves, I came upon an article I had skimmed some time ago from Heavy.com. It’s not a journalistic stronghold but every piece here helps MOO. So if you have time, maybe review this. I realized this in the middle of the night and have no time to review it again but I know I saw interesting elements.

Fotis Dulos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

I’m attaching a photo from the article that I cropped and in which I covered the kids’ faces. I wouldn’t include it but see that container on top of the SUV? It’s to hold skis but would it also conceal a body?

Also, I had forgotten about him being into flying and having a pilot friend. I really began to think about his capacity for innovative and awful actions based on his reported threat to JD to fly over some critic’s house and drop a brick on the house.

I have so much going on right now that I haven’t had time to think further about it but I feel like the applied-mathematics training and focus may help. I’ll keep thinking in between things and know that you smart people will as well! Thank heavens!

All of this is MOO.

 

[MrFixit]

Hi, all,

I realized last night that I’ve been thinking this was unplanned. I no longer do, and that makes a difference in how one looks at where she might be. I also have been thinking about him from the standpoint as a builder or contractor and really, that isn’t his core set of skills. I recalled FD’s degree in applied mathematics and how he brings up percentages and probabilities fairly often.

So now, I’m wondering what the straightest route to a disposal location might be for JD based on an assumption of a planned murder. Some of you have been thinking this way all along so it probably has been considered. Now I think that general thoughts of probabilities came into the trash run: what would be the probability that a random bag of trash in someone’s trash can would catch the eye of a trash hauler? At the same time, perhaps his math focus kept him from using imagination to wonder about cameras on the trash route!

As I took a look back at his education and what applied mathematics is and involves, I came upon an article I had skimmed some time ago from Heavy.com. It’s not a journalistic stronghold but every piece here helps MOO. So if you have time, maybe review this. I realized this in the middle of the night and have no time to review it again but I know I saw interesting elements.

Fotis Dulos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

I’m attaching a photo from the article that I cropped and in which I covered the kids’ faces. I wouldn’t include it but see that container on top of the SUV? It’s to hold skis but would it also conceal a body?

Also, I had forgotten about him being into flying and having a pilot friend. I really began to think about his capacity for innovative and awful actions based on his reported threat to JD to fly over some critic’s house and drop a brick on the house.

I have so much going on right now that I haven’t had time to think further about it but I feel like the applied-mathematics training and focus may help. I’ll keep thinking in between things and know that you smart people will as well! Thank heavens!

All of this is MOO.

Do you happen to know how far back in the threads the pilot friend was mentioned, or if there was an article?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Hi, all,

I realized last night that I’ve been thinking this was unplanned. I no longer do, and that makes a difference in how one looks at where she might be. I also have been thinking about him from the standpoint as a builder or contractor and really, that isn’t his core set of skills. I recalled FD’s degree in applied mathematics and how he brings up percentages and probabilities fairly often.

So now, I’m wondering what the straightest route to a disposal location might be for JD based on an assumption of a planned murder. Some of you have been thinking this way all along so it probably has been considered. Now I think that general thoughts of probabilities came into the trash run: what would be the probability that a random bag of trash in someone’s trash can would catch the eye of a trash hauler? At the same time, perhaps his math focus kept him from using imagination to wonder about cameras on the trash route!

As I took a look back at his education and what applied mathematics is and involves, I came upon an article I had skimmed some time ago from Heavy.com. It’s not a journalistic stronghold but every piece here helps MOO. So if you have time, maybe review this. I realized this in the middle of the night and have no time to review it again but I know I saw interesting elements.

Fotis Dulos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

I’m attaching a photo from the article that I cropped and in which I covered the kids’ faces. I wouldn’t include it but see that container on top of the SUV? It’s to hold skis but would it also conceal a body?

Also, I had forgotten about him being into flying and having a pilot friend. I really began to think about his capacity for innovative and awful actions based on his reported threat to JD to fly over some critic’s house and drop a brick on the house.

I have so much going on right now that I haven’t had time to think further about it but I feel like the applied-mathematics training and focus may help. I’ll keep thinking in between things and know that you smart people will as well! Thank heavens!

All of this is MOO.

One more thing: I Googled and there’s a huge component in applied mathematics in crime detection/investigation. Brown, as in this article, certainly is aware. Why couldn’t someone use the same knowledge to perform a crime?

Mathematicians, police join forces on the mathematics of crime

 

[Curious-A]

I noticed on one of his pics amongst all the waterskiing pics...he had a pic holding boxing gloves in front of his face...not sure if I can say where I found those...so I won’t....but My son boxes and he has the power to knock someone out cold quite easily if he wanted to...if FD was a regular boxer he would not need to bring a weapon...and he wouldn’t need gloves either his hands would not bruise if he hit a bag at times..they would be conditioned...he did punch a garage attendant previously so I do think his own hands was his weapon

Maybe he didnt count out all the blood from the lips and nose. There is a lot of blood supply in the neck and head.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Also useful in light of FD (not Charles Manson) and Pattis (see entire list):

Info on Logical Fallacies—

Fallacies // Purdue Writing Lab

No time to list but the link tells much.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Do you happen to know how far back in the threads the pilot friend was mentioned, or if there was an article?

See the Heavy article link in my post and JD noted it in court papers.

 

[Rosiebones]

I don't believe that JD's body was with his phone pings for more than an hour after she was killed. I believe she was passed very quickly to a second party who took her quite a distance to dispose of her. I think that was the original plan.
And, although I understand that is why LE has searched so many local land and water areas, I believe that is why she hasn't been found and why FD is very confident that she won't be found.

 

[3blue1pink]

It’s kind of odd to me that a woman terrified of her husband wouldn’t have cameras set up around her home . And that they captured FD and MT disposing of bloody clothes etc... on a four mile stretch but there is no surveillance of the possible routes to and from JD’s home ?

 

[3blue1pink]

I don't believe that JD's body was with his phone pings for more than an hour after she was killed. I believe she was passed very quickly to a second party who took her quite a distance to dispose of her. I think that was the original plan.
And, although I understand that is why LE has searched so many land and water areas, I believe that is why she hasn't been found and why FD is very confident that she won't be found.

Yes . It seems whomever the accomplice might be isn’t a friend of FD but more like someone he has blackmailed into helping him . Since he seems to have zero friends in CT.

 

[MyBelle]

Hi, all,

I realized last night that I’ve been thinking this was unplanned. I no longer do, and that makes a difference in how one looks at where she might be. I also have been thinking about him from the standpoint as a builder or contractor and really, that isn’t his core set of skills. I recalled FD’s degree in applied mathematics and how he brings up percentages and probabilities fairly often.

So now, I’m wondering what the straightest route to a disposal location might be for JD based on an assumption of a planned murder. Some of you have been thinking this way all along so it probably has been considered. Now I think that general thoughts of probabilities came into the trash run: what would be the probability that a random bag of trash in someone’s trash can would catch the eye of a trash hauler? At the same time, perhaps his math focus kept him from using imagination to wonder about cameras on the trash route!

As I took a look back at his education and what applied mathematics is and involves, I came upon an article I had skimmed some time ago from Heavy.com. It’s not a journalistic stronghold but every piece here helps MOO. So if you have time, maybe review this. I realized this in the middle of the night and have no time to review it again but I know I saw interesting elements.

Fotis Dulos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

I’m attaching a photo from the article that I cropped and in which I covered the kids’ faces. I wouldn’t include it but see that container on top of the SUV? It’s to hold skis but would it also conceal a body?

Also, I had forgotten about him being into flying and having a pilot friend. I really began to think about his capacity for innovative and awful actions based on his reported threat to JD to fly over some critic’s house and drop a brick on the house.

I have so much going on right now that I haven’t had time to think further about it but I feel like the applied-mathematics training and focus may help. I’ll keep thinking in between things and know that you smart people will as well! Thank heavens!

All of this is MOO.

That container does look like it could hold a body. My thought all along is that JD was dumped out of an airplane or by boat into the ocean. I don't believe she will ever be found.

JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

This makes sense, IMO, since it has been widely reported in MSM that FD was born in Turkey and raised in Greece.

just some food for thought..... The article linked last night to
Larry Noodles' insight in the investigation of FD shows some
things to think about:
Larry calls FD a 'Turk' who grew up in Greece. Interesting that
he did not call him 'Greek'. What was he saying without saying
it? Was he implying 'Turks' are a different type of person than a
Greek? Is Turk a more derogatory term rather than calling him
Greek? There was a subtle message in his statement, IMO.

In searching for some info on 'Turks' and their opinions of how
their family operates I found that they are very Patriarchal,
women are low on the totem pole and wife beating and abuse
is acceptable. College aged students in Turkey were studied
to see their opinions of this. Not surprising the male students
thought it was perfectly fine to beat your wife/and or abuse them.
Beliefs About Wife Beating Among Turkish College Students: The Effects of Patriarchy, Sexism, and Sex Differences
Also historically in divorce Turks usually get full custody of all marital children
since children are considered part of the husband's household property.

 

[MrFixit]

See the Heavy article link in my post and JD noted it in court papers.

Thank you I have fallen behind in reading posts & just now figured out how to search using subject on this site. That is a great article that you posted:
Fotis Dulos: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
I will need to review JD's court comments on the friend.

 

[RoosterRock]

It is just so frustrating:
He car left at Waveny,
lots of blood in the garage,
many vacant properties,
Poison Ivy - this is important. Who gets that unless they are in the woods, he was not a hands on builder, he was in the forest digging??
knowledge of bodies of water,
Access to contractor materials, drums, chemicals, chainsaws, etc....
possible additional helper to get rid of body
Rage issues
Financial issues, bankruptcy looming, illegal dealings getting discovered.
Custody issues
Even managing a relationship with a new lover and her daughter is tricky.

I have to believe it is right in front of us, somehow. He had no time and the plans went amok, that banging at the NC property on Sat morning. I wish someone had start trailing him right away....
There has to be some way to figure out where JD is....it will happen I am sure LE keep looking.
Someone is going to figure this out, I do believe she is somewhere nearby, her home. I just don't think he would risk body parts being discovered in the dumpsters, too much risk. Materials are one thing, bodies parts, no way.....

 

[afitzy]

Also useful in light of FD (not Charles Manson) and Pattis (see entire list):

Info on Logical Fallacies—

Fallacies // Purdue Writing Lab

No time to list but the link tells much.

Good summary of common logic 'traps' and unfortunately No Case Norm (knowing better due to his extensive training and experience IMO) thinks the general public is stupid enough to fall for his unsubstantiated patter. Taken from the Purdue Writing Lab link about here is just one logic rule that No Case Norm uses over and over:

Red Herring: This is a diversionary tactic that avoids the key issues [BBM], often by avoiding opposing arguments rather than addressing them. Example:

The level of mercury in seafood may be unsafe, but what will fishers do to support their families?

In this example, the author switches the discussion away [BBM] from the safety of the food and talks instead about an economic issue, the livelihood of those catching fish. While one issue may effect the other it does not mean we should ignore possible safety issues because of possible economic consequences to a few individuals.

Perhaps if I have the time and am sitting in an aiport bored it might be a fun exercise to go through the Pattis Patter (aka PP!) to redline for logical flaws. Its not hard to do as I don't think much attempt was made to be logical but it might be worth it to show how Pattis and FD think the general public is unable to grasp basic logic.

I continue to find the fact that what was said (in particular the extreme and vicious victim shaming and diving to the depths of attacking a person that is not here to defend themselves) came from a legal professional both offensive and shameful (at a minimum). The fact that FD allowed this to happen to the mother of his children is something that I hope few on here and elsewhere don't forget.

The abrupt 'about face' on the tone of commentary and attempts to 'humanize' FD almost seem comical in the face of the prior 2-3 weeks of Pattis Patter as the most recent interviews seemed like a slow motion train wreck IMO. Its almost as if they are undertaking some kind of gun scatter shot approach to see what registers with the public and are figuring it out as they go along.

It seems that it might have been prudent to spend 2-3 weeks in quiet mode and use that time to engage a media coach to "TEACH" your client how to have a bit of empathy, caring, common decency and interest in his missing wife. I realize its hard to teach a 51 year old dog new tricks but the interviews we have seen recently were painful to watch because we simply saw an individual that cares only about himself and perhaps (big PERHAPS IMO) getting custody. The complaints about this being a 'tough time' and 'because I have the ankle bracelet I cannot water ski' etc. showed a level of self absorption that was painful and stunning to watch at the same time. We saw zero responsibility taken by FD for anything that has happened to him and frankly at times his sense of entitlement made watching the interviews painful. ZERO/NUL/NADA. I also wonder what the children will think when they watch these painful interviews. My personal guess is that by watching these interviews it will save them a boatload of time in therapy as everything they need to know about their father is in plain view and not hard to figure out IMO.

My sense is that perhaps Pattis is spread too thin in his legal work given the other 'high profile' case he is working on? IDK but it seems that way. If Pattis doesn't have a team that can step up to the plate to provide representation to FD when Pattis is elsewhere occupied then perhaps the firm ought to consider resignation as they don't seem to be doing their client any favors with what has happened thus far. MOO

 

[MrFixit]

It is just so frustrating:
He car left at Waveny,
lots of blood in the garage,
many vacant properties,
Poison Ivy - this is important. Who gets that unless they are in the woods, he was not a hands on builder, he was in the forest digging??
knowledge of bodies of water,
Access to contractor materials, drums, chemicals, chainsaws, etc....
possible additional helper to get rid of body
Rage issues
Financial issues, bankruptcy looming, illegal dealings getting discovered.
Custody issues
Even managing a relationship with a new lover and her daughter is tricky.

I have to believe it is right in front of us, somehow. He had no time and the plans went amok, that banging at the NC property on Sat morning. I wish someone had start trailing him right away....
There has to be some way to figure out where JD is....it will happen I am sure LE keep looking.
Someone is going to figure this out, I do believe she is somewhere nearby, her home. I just don't think he would risk body parts being discovered in the dumpsters, too much risk. Materials are one thing, bodies parts, no way.....

Every time I start thinking of the possibilities I remind myself to start with the most simple first. Because while we are out coming up with intricate plans the answer was right in front of our face. Defense strategy right now may be to cause us to look elsewhere, overwhelm us with possibilities, and then cause frustration and defeat. And yet the answer is right in front of us still.

 

[Kapua]

I lean toward #2. I think he would have wanted to get rid of the body asap. I think too, he would want her body, if found, nearer the park and her vehicle. Jmo, of course.

My two top theories as to where the perp may have disposed of JD's body:
1. Your #2 location, between house and park, or not far from the park. If he was trying to stage a "she was abducted at the park" scenario, he might have used this location. He also could have used JD's vehicle to transport the body to wherever he put it. However, this would have been done soon after the murder, which means in daylight hours. Brazen, but not beyond the realm of possibility.

2. Closer to, or on one of his properties. He would have been able to hide the body in the dead of night, late May 24, or early May 25. He'd have the "home turf" advantage, could work late at night or very early in the morning with less chance of detection. However, this would mean that he drove around with the body in his/his employee's car for a time. Also brazen, actually.

Those are not my only theories, just the top 2.

I think LE may have an idea of which vehicle, or vehicles he used to transport the body.

I always have a hard time getting inside the minds of murderers. Like you, I think they will think "get rid of the body as soon as possible", but there have been so many instances of perps driving for miles with a body in the car. You can't put anything past them. MOO

 

[afitzy]

It is just so frustrating:
He car left at Waveny,
lots of blood in the garage,
many vacant properties,
Poison Ivy - this is important. Who gets that unless they are in the woods, he was not a hands on builder, he was in the forest digging??
knowledge of bodies of water,
Access to contractor materials, drums, chemicals, chainsaws, etc....
possible additional helper to get rid of body
Rage issues
Financial issues, bankruptcy looming, illegal dealings getting discovered.
Custody issues
Even managing a relationship with a new lover and her daughter is tricky.

I have to believe it is right in front of us, somehow. He had no time and the plans went amok, that banging at the NC property on Sat morning. I wish someone had start trailing him right away....
There has to be some way to figure out where JD is....it will happen I am sure LE keep looking.
Someone is going to figure this out, I do believe she is somewhere nearby, her home. I just don't think he would risk body parts being discovered in the dumpsters, too much risk. Materials are one thing, bodies parts, no way.....

Totally agree. It seems to me that if you wanted to escape detection you wouldn't head back into NC or the Merritt Parkway but would head through the backroads to Westchester up to Danbury. Security cameras are everywhere but if you worked on it I think it might be possible to get to Danbury on backroads undetected. I'm probably naive in thinking this but if you avoided Ridgefield and Redding (police use those license plate scanners I believe) it might be doable. Pound Ridge/Lewisboro/South Salem all have wide open spaces and have more houses on very large multi acre lots than NC for example.

It will be interesting what the CCTV cameras eventually tell us as most of the houses on Frogtown look to have some kind of setup and I wonder how many covered the street?