Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #13 *ARRESTS*

[oviedo]

Oooh I found the quote from NP that I was looking for:

“Suppose we could not account for him from 9 to 1:30,” said Pattis. “Can you get from Farmington to New Canaan and back and kill somebody and clean up an extensive mess in a garage that included a lot of blood splattered on a couple cars, dispose of a body, dispose of a car… can all that really be accomplished in broad daylight in four and a half hours without a witness?”
Fotis Dulos’s attorney Norm Pattis builds defense for client

Did NP accidentally give us the sequence of events?

He said kill, clean up , DISPOSE of the BODY, then DISPOSE of the car...?

That’s interesting. Was it a slip or nothing? But I had always thought JD’s body was with the trash bags and clean up in the EE’s truck and he drove back with all of it to Farmington and disposed of her there.

This quote reads like her body was disposed of before her car was abandoned at Waveny Park. Hmmmmmm....so she is close to NC, if this was a slip up. Not dismembered and thrown away on Albany Avenue in Hartford and wound up in MIRA.

Do y’all see what I see? Or am I just getting excited again because it is a slow news day? Or both? Can it be both? I was always told NP chooses what and how to say stuff very carefully and he is a brilliant strategist and opponent. Did he slip up here?

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I think it is very possible that FD mentioned a potential scenario to NP and NP couldn't help himself. I have not believed he had an accomplice - and early on thought he may have been at his NC property which is just a few miles away prior to May 24 - the relocating the SUV to the park could have been one of the last items done prior to the Hartford garbage bag dump IMO. The body is perplexing though - I was absolutely certain MIRA would play a significant role but we haven't heard anything yet. again, very few leaks IMO. we still don't know where she is.

 

[LittleBitty]

regarding the 4.5 hrs. he isnt driving at 9am...9am the killing would have happened. so he has 4.5 hours to clean up, dispose of body, drop car off at wav park, drop of garage bags at jefferson crossing and be back home at 1:30. VERY DOABLE.

Especially, if I believe—whatever “alibi” FoDu had before 9 am were “phone calls” and also counting on MT to say she saw FoDu in Farmington that morning—that FoDu was already in NC in the early morning hours of the 24th so he could avoid rush hour and be in NC before JD left to drop off the kids at NCCS at 8:00am.

Phone calls can happen anywhere. Even on a Mac Book Pro like the one LE seized from FoDu. Calls can be forwarded. And MT and her attorney haven’t said word one about her alibi. Just NP saying that FoDu had a dinner party on May 23rd and MT had errands the morning of the 24th.
Fotis Dulos’s attorney Norm Pattis builds defense for client


All the above is always all my own opinion!

FoDu really needs MT for his morning alibi. NP and FoDu need MT more than she needs them. Hence, imo, why NP was courting MT so hardcore in the press.

 

[Jmoose]

She packed up the children and left for a "visit" to her deceased father's grave. The next day she filed for divorce. It's all in the media thread.

ETA: Sources: Police found blood in New Canaan home of Jennifer Dulos as search for missing mother intensifies

FD actually called 911 to say she and the children were not responding to him. Her divorce documents (some excerpts have been published in MSM) said that her filing for divorce would enrage him. That has always stuck with me. This is a man who was angry for 2 years IMO. I think it is also possible he used a gun - we know he brought the gun to LE June 17, 2017 (from the same article).

On a lark, I thought I would look up the meaning of Dulos in Turkey. Dulos is not in the dictionary but "dul" is and it means being left a widow or widower.
dulos - translation into English - dict.com dictionary

The original spelling for his last name is “Doulos”; for some reason, he uses the spelling, “Dulos”

 

[sun16]

regarding the 4.5 hrs. he isnt driving at 9am...9am the killing would have happened. so he has 4.5 hours to clean up, dispose of body, drop car off at wav park, drop of garage bags at jefferson crossing and be back home at 1:30. VERY DOABLE.

I agree and remind myself if he had any type of help between 9am-1:30pm, his portion could have been shorter, but doesn’t excuse him.

 

[CTGrammy]

Unless I've missed it, we also haven't talked about the incongruity of FD seeming to suddenly stalk the NC area once he was released from lockup... when he was conveniently, supposedly, nowhere near there the day that JD disappeared. I wish I could be more specific, as @LittleBitty is with timelines, but it's all on WS in members' awesomely posted MSM posted clips:

• Almost immediately after he was released, he had an urgent need to go to the Sturbridge (NC) property to "dust up"
• Soon after, he's sighted at Sturbridge (apparently doing some more dusting up with his niece), and then seen walking and eating sushi with his niece in downtown NC
• Then last week, he's back at Sturbridge with his bro from Mass ... more dusting up, presumably?
• And on Saturday, a WS member noted (acknowledging that there's no MSM report to cite) that in the Norwalk Home Depot, an employee mentioned that FD had been there that day. Odd in that there's a HD in Bristol, which is four miles away from Farmington, and guaranteed no more of a hassle to shop at than the 6-or-so miles away craziness of Connecticut Avenue (Rt. 1) where that HD in Norwalk is situated.

I would love to know how much time FD was previously spending in NC. Would neighbors/shopkeepers, etc. recognize him? Would have been nice if, in that news video with the Massachusetts license plates, the reporter (who, regardless, did a great job in capturing an unscripted moment) had asked the neighbor who agreed to be interviewed, "Have you ever seen FD here before? Is it unusual for him to be on-site?"

EBM to include "the neighbor who agreed to be interviewed"

IMO, NP wants FD to make it look like he is 'always' in NC doing this or that.

This way, if a person testifies that they saw FD in NC, then NP can refute the date of the sighting in NC by saying that 'FD is always in NC doing this or that, so are you sure which day you saw FD in NC'?

Therefore Creating 'Reasonable Doubt' in the minds of the jury.

 

[3blue1pink]

It’s a crime. It’s just CT sees it differently. Like if I rob a bank and you just drove the car. I am charged with robbing and bank and even though all you did is just drive you will also be charged with robbing the bank.

MT is in deep doo doo.

So if she knew FoDu was planning to kill JD before JD was killed and helped with any of the planning before or if she knowingly helped with any of the stuff after the fact she is guilty of murder. If the state charges FoDu with murder.

If the state of CT can prove MT was by our definition an accomplice (either before/after or during) then she will be charged with murder not a lesser offense like aiding and abetting. No lesser included offense. Even if MT was nowhere near JD and FoDu when JD was murdered she will be charged with murder if she knowingly helped in any way.

And I think none of us are buying that she had no idea what was going on during the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Her defense has got to be that FoDu threatened her and by extension her daughter and she was in fear for her life. Otherwise she will be charged with murder. Her lawyer seems to know how serious all this is. Not sure FoDu’s lawyer does. Jmo.

Got it got it ... Must’ve read it wrong . Thanks for clearing that up .

 

[cottow]

Especially, if I believe—whatever “alibi” FoDu had before 9 am were “phone calls” and also counting on MT to say she saw FoDu in Farmington that morning—that FoDu was already in NC in the early morning hours of the 24th so he could avoid rush hour and be in NC before JD left to drop off the kids at NCCS at 8:00am.

Phone calls can happen anywhere. Even on a Mac Book Pro like the one LE seized from FoDu. Calls can be forwarded. And MT and her attorney haven’t said word one about her alibi. Just NP saying that FoDu had a dinner party on May 23rd and MT had errands the morning of the 24th.
Fotis Dulos’s attorney Norm Pattis builds defense for client


All the above is always all my own opinion!

FoDu really needs MT for his morning alibi. NP and FoDu need MT more than she needs them. Hence, imo, why NP was courting MT so hardcore in the press.

I believe her body is somewhere between JDs home and wav park. I dont think he hired a hitman. I can see him as a guy that believes in "if you want a job done right you do it yourself." I think he believed he cleaned that garage up that nobody would ever see. and he stuck with his abduction plan. i think he was also trapped that he couldnt change his story. He left that red truck down at wav park so he needed to get there and her car was only way to make that happen.

 

[oviedo]

I believe her body is somewhere between JDs home and wav park. I dont think he hired a hitman. I can see him as a guy that believes in "if you want a job done right you do it yourself." I think he believed he cleaned that garage up that nobody would ever see. and he stuck with his abduction plan. i think he was also trapped that he couldnt change his story. He left that red truck down at wav park so he needed to get there and her car was only way to make that happen.

Whoever drove JD's SUV to the park - surely left some fingerprints, DNA - something? And if they have this, IMO that's a big piece of the puzzle.

 

[peace9274]

Article with comments from Jennifer’s friends:

'Her great joy in life is her children’: Friends of Jennifer Farber Dulos dismiss ‘Gone Girl’ and "revenge-suicide’ theories by estranged husband’s defense attorneys

“<Jennifer>put so much thought into ensuring each one of her children’s <Halloween> costumes was what they loved,” Buckley said. “We would keep our eyes alert for peanut M&M’s at each house, a big favorite of hers. She always had a pack in her purse. Her children loved her deeply and would delight in getting M&M packs for her.”

“Many of Farber Dulos’ friends have been reluctant to speak publicly since her May 24 disappearance as they’ve awaited word on her whereabouts but several contacted The Courant after comments by Pattis, saying they were angered at the suggestion that she would leave her children.”

 

[Gardenista]

Does anyone know of any televised/streamed trials that had NP as the defense attorney?

 

[Tink56]

Is anyone truly confident that LE has a ton of evidence already against FD, but they are holding out to find the body of JD before they let it all out? Is this
what is typically done in cases where the victim is still missing?

Your question caused me to think of cases I followed to some degree. Most of them weren't prosecuted until a body was found. Some are still open investigations.

• Kyron Horman Open Investigation-No body has ever been found.
• Dylan Redwine Coming to trial soon after recovery of partial body parts.
• Amber DuBois Body wasn't found until killer confessed.
• Laci Peterson Husband wasn't charged until the body was found.
• Morgan Harrington Despite the body being found, killer wasn't charged until he confessed.
• Susan Cox Powell Body hasn't been found. Most of us know about the horrific outcome of that "supervised" visitation.
• McStay Family Trial just concluded. The killer wasn't charged until the bodies were found.

I know posters have cited cases of successful prosecution without a body, but it is a much better case if the body can be found. IMO....

 

[cottow]

Whoever drove JD's SUV to the park - surely left some fingerprints, DNA - something? And if they have this, IMO that's a big piece of the puzzle.

he is too smart for that. he prob had a change of clothes and wore black gloves....same ones he used sweeping up his NC property stoop.

 

[Tink56]

he is too smart for that. he prob had a change of clothes and wore black gloves....same ones he used sweeping up his NC property stoop.

I wonder if LE has tested his gloves for DNA???

 

[3blue1pink]

NP is doing th opposite—high profile case/high profile attorney = circus atmosphere

Seems Mark Gerragos esque .... NP wants to be in the spotlight make name for himself . When this actually goes to court , and I believe it will and if NP is still his attorney , will want the court to air the trial on TV . Which I would love to see but feel like it’s not appropriate and wouldn’t want to give NP or FD the satisfaction of the attention they both so desperately want.

 

[Tink56]

This is going backwards, but when JD decided to divorce FD, did she move out before she had him served with divorce papers?

In my experience and knowledge, the judge will make the man move out of the home. The wife is allowed to stay in the home with the children. It is much easier for the man to move himself out than to disrupt the children. Also, the man gets the house payment.

Are the rules different in CT?

I think the kids were already accepted into NC school as there had been talk of JD moving into her family's NY compound. (FD said that way he could stay in the guest house when he came to see the kids.) JD didn't like that arrangement and made her own.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I believe her body is somewhere between JDs home and wav park. I dont think he hired a hitman. I can see him as a guy that believes in "if you want a job done right you do it yourself." I think he believed he cleaned that garage up that nobody would ever see. and he stuck with his abduction plan. i think he was also trapped that he couldnt change his story. He left that red truck down at wav park so he needed to get there and her car was only way to make that happen.

I believe her body is somewhere between JDs home and wav park. I dont think he hired a hitman. I can see him as a guy that believes in "if you want a job done right you do it yourself." I think he believed he cleaned that garage up that nobody would ever see. and he stuck with his abduction plan. i think he was also trapped that he couldnt change his story. He left that red truck down at wav park so he needed to get there and her car was only way to make that happen.

This is pretty much my thoughts, except I think he parked the red truck somewhere between Waveny and Jennifer's and then walked or ran to her house. Afterwards, I think he cleaned up the mess and loaded everything in JD's vehicle, including the body. I think he then drove either to where the red truck was or to where he hid the body. He put the bags in the red truck then drove JD's suv to the park and left her vehicle there. Then ran/walked back to the red truck.

 

[afitzy]

I was talking to a Home Depot, Norwalk worker who said that FD was there on Saturday, ankle bracelet and all.

The FBI should review purchases of contractor garbage bags and cleaning supplies at the Norwalk and Stamford Home Depots and Lowes in the month preceding the murder suspected from him or an employee of his. That should connect him to crimes. Also burner phones and calls from Farmington to New Canaan, another record that should not be that hard to obtain with today's powerful forensic technologies.

Great suggestion and Weed & Duryea in NC which is a mini home depot and also has a contractor desk along with Rings End in Darien that serves contractors as well.

 

[3blue1pink]

Michelle provides Fotis a complete alibi for the morning of Ms. Dulos’ disappearance. Yet most likely she will not testify as along as the state presses its meritless claims against her. We are calling on the state to drop the charges against Michelle so that she is able to testify in Fotis’ defense. We’re asking that the charges against her be dropped so that she can feel free to testify without fearing the consequences.”

What is his tactic on asking the state to drop charges ? As if they actually would . What consequences? Self incrimination ?

 

[LittleBitty]

I believe her body is somewhere between JDs home and wav park. I dont think he hired a hitman. I can see him as a guy that believes in "if you want a job done right you do it yourself." I think he believed he cleaned that garage up that nobody would ever see. and he stuck with his abduction plan. i think he was also trapped that he couldnt change his story. He left that red truck down at wav park so he needed to get there and her car was only way to make that happen.

Like you and many other posters I don’t believe there was an accomplice to JD’s actual killing on the morning of the 24th.

He’s too controlling of a person. It’s all over the divorce and custody case. His own attorneys have dumped him citing reasons other than “payment.”

IMO, FoDu wanted JD to know that her life was over. Her life would end at his hands. He wanted JD to know. It’s not enough for him to have destroyed her emotionally and mentally and financially. He tried to destroy her reputation by parading around his paramour and insisting JD and the kids live with him and MT and MTs daughter.

When it became clear that at least GF wasn’t going to give up or give in to his manipulation attempts he tried one last time with JD. And it didn’t work. It wasn’t going to mediation. He was going to have to produce financial documentation of his shady and likely illegal business finances.

So he sought then the ultimate Control. When he couldn’t get JD and GF to do what he wanted he decided to end JD’s life.

Ultimate control over whether someone lives—that was probably a HUGE power rush for a waterskiing and skiing junkie like him. He was excitedly telling the GAL on the 25th “Did you hear what happened?” I can almost hear the giddiness in his voice.

It makes me hurt so badly for the life that was extinguished. All I can tell myself is that when people like JD are murdered is that they are now in a better place. It makes me think of that Dolly Parton song, “The Mystery of the Mystery”—essentially that we just don’t know what happens when we die but I like to believe (no cheesy lip service) that there is truly a better place far beyond my understanding. JMO.

 

[cottow]

This is pretty much my thoughts, except I think he parked the red truck somewhere between Waveny and Jennifer's and then walked or ran to her house. Afterwards, I think he cleaned up the mess and loaded everything in JD's vehicle, including the body. I think he then drove either to where the red truck was or to where he hid the body. He put the bags in the red truck then drove JD's suv to the park and left her vehicle there. Then ran/walked back to the red truck.

we are thinking along same lines. posion ivy: check. red truck with altered plated: check. why garbage bags needed to be in diff location than body: check.