Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[afitzy]

Haha, I should go to the next hearing and take pics outside of the Fulos & Ponytail circus.

I thought for sure it was you! Can't wait for you comments about 'Fulos' today in court! He seems to be shrinking before our eyes so curious what you think!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

If this is the judge handling the criminal case against FD he doesn't have to get spousal abuse. He's not deciding a restraining order request. The jury is going to decide whether FD is guilty of hindering and tampering.

It's unrelated.

Regardless, everyone pretty much knows this guy murdered his wife. Including the judge.

Thank you for saying this, Gitana.

 

[afitzy]

Re the BBM: Perhaps he does have money socked away. Specifically, the "large amount of money that is missing from his account" that NP just accused JD of taking.
MOO

Yep. Another example of an unsubstantiated claim by Pattis and he used the court to deliver it. If he had a copy of the bank statement in question and referenced in court then it might have had weight, but it was just a throwaway BS statement IMO. I wish the Judge had called him on it but he didn't. But it was a perfect example I thought of what the State is trying to stop Pattis from doing so consistently in the case.

I loved that Colangelo called BS on Pattis when they were talking about the items to be returned to FD (they weren't going to talk about electronic items in open court I guess but am not totally sure). Colangelo said in court that he and Pattis had discussed the situation re: electronic items and he/Colangelo thought it wasn't going to be brought up in open court but low and behold Pattis is bringing it up in open court.

Can't trust Pattis further than you can toss him I think was the message Colangelo delivered quite clearly and I'm glad he phrased it the way he did as he was no doubt steamed at Pattis.

It also gave Judge alot to think about too I think regarding the gag as if what is discussed in Chambers makes its way into open court when there is agreement to keep it in Chambers this case will be a free for all with Pattis as ring leader. I hope the Judge is feeling his way along on this one and doesn't give Pattis too much rope or Pattis will be in charge of this rodeo which would be tragic.

Court dynamic is hard to call this early so will have to wait and see how things shake out with the Judge. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Exactly. His manicurist did the best she could...you can’t hide nail fungus unless you use a dark nail polish.

HaHa! NEWSFLASH: FD goes GOTH with black polish or perhaps even flat white! What a picture!

 

[Jmoose]

The "order me not to kill someone today" statement from NP feels extremely inappropriate here.

He said that three times! WTH?

 

[Jmoose]

Rude and flippant to ALL women.

And I think he called the author “Joan Gilligan”. How’s she getting royalties that way?

 

[Jmoose]

Ewww, it looks like nail fungus to me. Has he been doing any gardening lately, without his gloves?

I garden without gloves and my hands never look like that

 

[afitzy]

He said that three times! WTH?

Yes, and he was allowed to do so. I was getting brief flashbacks to Judge Ito/OJ at times and it wasn't a good feeling at all. Its early days so will see how much patience Judge has for Pattis antics going forward. MOO

 

[andalso]

He said that three times! WTH?

Yup. He was emphatic about not killing someone today. Bizzaro!

 

[afitzy]

And I think he called the author “Joan Gilligan”. How’s she getting royalties that way?

I think he was making the absurd suggestion that because of his comments that people might have gone out and bought her book and so she would have earned money on the book sales! Total BS IMO and No Case Norm overstates his impact yet again here. But again we saw the patronizing tone towards the author I thought. Does No Case Norm simply have the default reaction to attack women and demean them? We have seen this so many times before. MOO

 

[MsJosie]

Does everyone remember all the numerous sidebars in the anthony and arias trials? I bet we see the same thing here...sidebars and sidebars....when the trial starts. Pattis is not going to like anything that is fact and truth.

 

[afitzy]

KM made it into court testimony today too via Pattis patter. So curious if KM was the am 24th alibi.

 

[Jmoose]

I’m mad again. What money did FD have? Let’s see...it all stemmed from her and her family! Omg!

He probably considered all of the money that came into the household “his money”. If you were able to sort out all of the financials, and I am not sure it’ll be possible to untangle all of it, you’d probably find that they were living on her $400,000/yr trust fund, and credit cards, and the money he shorted his sub contractors. He couldn’t seem to manage to properly estimate the cost of the building jobs, so probably never had a proper ratio when he built. And they could not be sold because they cost too much, and now nobody will buy them. I don’t think he ever actually made much or even any money on these houses.

 

[CTGrammy]

Possibly true but I'm not sure its having the effect that he wants IMO. Pattis has been skating around the rules and he knows it. State was right to call him out for it and I hope Judge imposes some boundaries or Pattis will be out of control for the rest of this sad case. Heroin addict, revenge suicide, Gone Girl, polygraph, MT alibi for 24th? Really? The list goes on and I don't think these comments have been in defense of his client so much as comments designed to confused and mislead and create doubt.

The comment about making sure there would never be a murder charge leads me to believe that this has been his goal all along. I think the behaviour has been professionally irresponsible and would like to see some guidelines to curtail Pattis commentary. I think he was smirking to himself the entire time he was speaking in court on this issue as he knows precisely what he has been doing. We will see how the Judge responds as to me its clear the Judge knows there is an issue but perhaps doesn't know exactly how to solve it yet. We shall see... BIG MOO!

Did you notice that NP said 'The' murder charge instead of saying 'A' murder charge, in one of his statements?

This tells us that NP knows full well that there Will be a murder charge.

In another note.

MT is facing the Same current charges as FD, and we have Never heard a word in the press, from her Attorney.

NP has even said in the press that MT took And passed a lie detector test and Attorney Bowman has not even refuted that Confirmed Lie in the press.

Happy that we now know about the false allegation by NP.

Attorney Bowman is acting like an attorney should act in this case.

An attorney can work 'vigorously' to defend a client Without stooping to the gutter and defaming a beautiful mother of 5 young children.

The Only comment NP should make and still defend his client is to say "We believe these allegations to be false or baseless and the truth will come out in court", but no, he comes up with these LIES and disparages JD.

Why?

To taint the Jury Pool in possible hopes to be granted a 'Change of Venue' and/or give the Jury 'Reasonable Doubt' before they ever step into the court room.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Sadly I don't think these activities by the family are going to end absent court intervention. So sad that things have to come to this point IMO. GF is going to be forced to file against each and every person involved in the contact and bring the matter to court. Why would any family member do what they appear to be doing here given the circumstances. These are children with limited knowledge of the circumstances and their world has collapsed around them IMO. GF is trying to keep the children safe and protected and also help them to process to the extent possible based on their ages what is going on. The fact that relatives that may or may not have longstanding relationships with the Dulos children are seeking contact indicates to me a complete lack of awareness of the situation at thand and the fragility of the emotional health of these Dulos children. Shameful IMO as adults involved should know better and ought to counsel their children accordingly. BIG MOO!

Is there some way of setting the phones so that all emails, texts and recorded phone calls to these children also appear on another device controlled by either GF or the nanny? This way, there could be a record of what has been sent, or said to the children. Remember, NY is a one party consent state, and a recording in this way would be legal. I don’t know if wireless devices can work this way-but think 13 year olds cannot be kept entirely away from devices. You would then have specific evidence to take into court

 

[Midwestmom2019]

FD’s relatives are as cruel as he is. I hope this restriction is monitored and enforced by LE.

Hold on now.
What do we know about his family?
Sister is an architect in Greece. Niece somewhere around New England. Brother in Mass. Father passed long before all this started. Mother had tragic accident.

Now stop right there. That’s all we know about the tragedy right now. LE never pursued it. So it was an accident until proven otherwise. Tragic. No doubt. Questionable in light of recent events. But an accident.

I’ve never seen anything else about them. Maybe they are cruel. Maybe not.

It’s not the benefit of the doubt about the family. It’s that they start out on even ground in my humble opinion. We’re so quick to judge them. Wouldn’t you try to do SOMETHING if your family member was in this situation? Maybe not even for FD, but for his children? To reach out to GF and ask if there is anything that they can do to help the children? Or GF? And if the response is leave us alone, then FD family knows that at least they tried to do right IN THEIR HEARTS. Maybe GF was advised by therapists to not allow contact. I don’t know. But if that’s what she was advised, she acted on that suggestion. If she was advised otherwise, that is still her decision. Who better to know what is best for her grandchildren?

So which family member was attempting contact? Multiple persons? Non family members? Greeks are a very tight knit group. Like the Jews, Hispanics and some Asians. I’m sure there are more national groups that are very clannish. I admire all of them for these traits. I wish I belonged to an ethnic group like that. The best I can do is work with my family, to bind us together. No matter what happens. We’re family. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ONE.

So if a member of FD is cruel, so be it. BUT:

Maybe they are reaching out with love and not cruelty. Maybe with concern for the children’s welfare. Maybe so that the children know the Greek side of the family knows that they are suffering and wished they could help, in some way.
And not for any other reason.

What do any of you think?
Can we give the families a chance?
I’m willing to give them that opportunity, until facts present themselves that would change my decision.
Family courts look to the following:
“What is in the best interests of the children?”

 

[Jmoose]

I’m no expert on body language but I know some and the biggest tells are when people act differently than they normally do or when they show micro expressions, the very, very fast expressions like an eyebrow flash that can’t be stopped; and when they characteristically do something in a specific situation such as the person always flexes his hands in stressful times. Just seeing someone once and seeing the person flex his or her hands isn’t necessarily significant. Some people aren’t good at eye contact ever so if they don’t look people in the eye, it is a normal thing for them and probably has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. On FD, his body language is quite different from his usual proud, in-your-face stance so, yeah. I’d imagine most people would feel and act differently in court as a defendant but his overall appearance seems quite diminished although I feel no sympathy even though I am normally a very kind person. And, too, he probably was coached on how to look and behave. His microexpressions like when he looked at the server can’t be managed, though. All MOO.

He tried to be stoic, but you could see a couple of times that he was PO’d when the prosecutor was speaking-especially when he talked about FD’s family trying to contact the children. You know he is responsible for that.

 

[Daisyeve]

Hold on now.
What do we know about his family?
Sister is an architect in Greece. Niece somewhere around New England. Brother in Mass. Father passed long before all this started. Mother had tragic accident.

Now stop right there. That’s all we know about the tragedy right now. LE never pursued it. So it was an accident until proven otherwise. Tragic. No doubt. Questionable in light of recent events. But an accident.

I’ve never seen anything else about them. Maybe they are cruel. Maybe not.

It’s not the benefit of the doubt about the family. It’s that they start out on even ground in my humble opinion. We’re so quick to judge them. Wouldn’t you try to do SOMETHING if your family member was in this situation? Maybe not even for FD, but for his children? To reach out to GF and ask if there is anything that they can do to help the children? Or GF? And if the response is leave us alone, then FD family knows that at least they tried to do right IN THEIR HEARTS. Maybe GF was advised by therapists to not allow contact. I don’t know. But if that’s what she was advised, she acted on that suggestion. If she was advised otherwise, that is still her decision. Who better to know what is best for her grandchildren?

So which family member was attempting contact? Multiple persons? Non family members? Greeks are a very tight knit group. Like the Jews, Hispanics and some Asians. I’m sure there are more national groups that are very clannish. I admire all of them for these traits. I wish I belonged to an ethnic group like that. The best I can do is work with my family, to bind us together. No matter what happens. We’re family. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ONE.

So if a member of FD is cruel, so be it. BUT:

Maybe they are reaching out with love and not cruelty. Maybe with concern for the children’s welfare. Maybe so that the children know the Greek side of the family knows that they are suffering and wished they could help, in some way.
And not for any other reason.

What do any of you think?
Can we give the families a chance?
I’m willing to give them that opportunity, until facts present themselves that would change my decision.
Family courts look to the following:
“What is in the best interests of the children?”

IMO they should have respect for GF and the children and leave them alone for now. They are dealing with too much to have to deal with FD’s family and have to guess what they are really up to. Having contact with FD’s relatives can come at a more appropriate time. Anybody that has lived through a horror similar to this will know that contact from these relatives will intensify the suffering of JD ‘s family.MOO

 

[afitzy]

Can’t listen now, will later. Please don’t snip this.
But check out the older gentleman. His expression. Wisdom of maturity. Kid next to him meh, boring. Lady behind them. Can’t tell what she’s thinking but listening.
Gives us ideas of how some are perceiving the court appearances.
I’ll look around MSM later for other spectators.
If other posters have thoughts, by all means let me know. PM if you’d like to compare notes.

The convo about the Pattis fishing expedition on the JD medical records is interesting. Pattis essentially has/had plans to go through the records, find all the JD doctors and drag them and JD into the mudpit with FD on this case.

Glad Judge did not allow this to happen even though Pattis had suggested that the Judge first go through the records to see if there was anything there.

I really wonder if Pattis has any respect for this Judge either in even putting out such a preposterous suggestion about the medical records?

Did he honestly expect the Judge to say, "Sure Norm just send the records over and I'll go through them as part of this fishing expedition and by the way thanks so much for kindly inviting me on your boat to go fishing today"? Really?
Big MOO

 

[MsJosie]

IF FD’s family wanted to see the kids, then they need to get their own attorney and request it through the courts, not just call, write or whatever way and try to contact the kids. BUT remember what was said in court, that FD was trying to contact the kids through 3rd parties, family members. The Judge said they could not....the family may have had a chance before to see the kids (under supervision) but contacting the kids for FD they lost that chance.