Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[hivee]

My guess is that it was 'acquired' the same way the psych report was 'acquired'!

Still can't believe he wasn't called on his source by Judge or State?!! MOO

The medical records thing is such a diversion/distraction. MOO.

 

[BellaVita]

However, JD did not have a choice in the mandate for FD to continue paying the premiums and FD did in fact pay for several months at the beginning of the divorce.

Because FD was making those payments, there was no way for JD to have known that he would then stop making the payments until she took a child to the doctor.

IMO, she Did start either paying the premiums herself or she purchased other options.

However, it was JD's duty to Report FD's lack of following mandates set out by the court.

There is No way that JD would have allowed her children to be without coverage and then she Definitely provided it herself.

There is No way that JD was saying in court 'oh, poor me, the children do not have insurance, what are we going to do?'.

No, in fact, JD only used the non payment of the premiums by FD as an example to the Court, of what kind of person FD is proving to be.

JD was Not demanding that FD reinstate the Family Health Care Coverage.

Yes, JD's Attorney did say that JD could not take the children to their appointments, but IMO this attorney was saying this for the affect it would have in the Court and not that JD could not provide the insurance herself.

MOO MOO

I agree with you that JD was not demanding anything or saying "poor me". I will disagree that there was no choice on whether to keep the mandate in place. The mandate is there for the financial protection of one of the parties. If that party wants to agree to get their own coverage and not rely on the person who is supposed to pay the premium, that is certainly allowed, IMO. I also doubt it came as a surprise to JD that the premiums stopped being paid. I think it would have been better advice from her lawyer to get as disentangled as possible even if it means you have to pay more up front. It was a waste of time...not for the lawyer's bank account though...to stand up in court and showboat a little for effect. A good lawyer knows what hills to die on. MOO

 

[afitzy]

I understand the mandated part, unfortunately having been through it. My point is that for whatever reason, it was being discussed in the divorce proceedings. The quote from FD "let her pay out of pocket". So JD lawyer would have brought up the fact of FD no longer paying. I just feel that a good lawyer would have been truthful with JD about who she was dealing with...hopefully she already knew and advised her lawyer of that fact on their first meeting. I have said from the beginning, the lawyer was wrong on how this divorce was being handled. He was trying to WIN, when winning would have been getting the divorce over with as quickly as possible. WIN-NING in this case would have been to forget about asking FD to pay for anything or trying to enforce compliance through expensive and useless motions. IMO.

Wonder also though if JD wasn't trying to set some basic parameters for FD being a financially responsible parent for his 5 children too? We saw she wasn't successful with the Judge Heller bombshell that FD paid for precisely $0 to support his children and he was publicly outed as a true 'deadbeat dad'. If that isn't someone pulling the mask off of who FD is as a person and a parent, I'm not sure what else might qualify!

She had to be concerned about the fact that w/o an income and company and basic financial responsbilities that FD was in effect no more than a kept man/gigolo! Can you imagine having to provide support for FD for any period of time post divorce? Not a pleasant prospect I would think. FD was a financial parasite it seems that JD just couldn't get rid of IMO!

I don't think she had any interest for supporting him for the rest of his life either and paying for co-habiting MT either, so if she didn't mandate and hold firm on something so basic as health insurance then she might have been looking at shared custody and paying spousal support to someone that had zero interest in working and loved the high life, driving around in expensive vehicles and wearing designer clothing and shoes. In short, gigolo IMO.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

IMO, It was Imperative that JD Report FD for Non Compliance of a Court Order.

JD was trying to prove Why she should receive sole custody of the children.

The fact that FD Chose to stop providing for his children Proves Why JD should have sole custody of the children.

FD was a Deadbeat Dad and that is what JD was Proving when she Reported the non compliance.

Does anyone know if JD requested Child Support or was awarded Child Support?

If not, then I highly doubt that she requested Health Care Coverage either.

With a MOO MOO here and a MOO MOO there.

I am curious about these questions as well and will add them to the research list (sadly its quite long and growing daily!)....

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Yes, but without FD's actual thumb and/or his 4 or 6 digit code, the device is almost impenetrable.

I highly doubt FD is going to provide either or both of these to LE.

Example: A few years ago a man and his wife in California, committed a terror attack at the man's place of employment.

For Months LE was trying to access the couple's iPhones, to no avail.

LE was also dealing with the fact that after so many failed attempts to unlock the phones, the phones would shut down and not allow anymore codes to be entered.

Apple insisted they did not have a way to override or bypass the system so that LE could access the devices.

This was taken to court and Apple won.

It is true, that I am still using my iPhone 7, however, my understanding is that even the New versions of the iPhone, are still as impenetrable as the earlier versions. Maybe even more so.

Apple even has a very cute tv commercial, all about the iPhone's privacy and security.

So, it is possible, that this is why LE still needs the phones.

I have no clue if this is the case, just pointing out that it is a possibility.

MOO MOO and MOO

I think LE did get into those phones from a third party service. It was a big uproar. MOO as I didn’t include the link.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Very good.

I did not think of that and I should have, since I back up my iPhone and iPad to my Mac.

MOO.

Many people back up to the cloud even if they don’t know they do. MOO.

 

[BellaVita]

IMO, It was Imperative that JD Report FD for Non Compliance of a Court Order.

JD was trying to prove Why she should receive sole custody of the children.

The fact that FD Chose to stop providing for his children Proves Why JD should have sole custody of the children.

FD was a Deadbeat Dad and that is what JD was Proving when she Reported the non compliance.

Does anyone know if JD requested Child Support or was awarded Child Support?

If not, then I highly doubt that she requested Health Care Coverage either.

With a MOO MOO here and a MOO MOO there.

I'm not saying that it should not have been noted for the record. She would have had a termination letter from the health plan. This divorce was headed for a trial, not a settlement, IMO. All evidence would be presented at that time. I just get the sense that if JD lawyer had not tried to play the game with a High Conflict Personality that things would have progressed much faster. MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I don't think JD was concerned about reproductive testing. MOO

No, but I just thought about this. Using certain infertility drugs like are sometimes used in IVF (if she even had that) or before trying IVF, such as Pergonal (injections for multiple days that help result in multiple like up to 10, I think—this is from memory so MOO) are associated with ovarian cancer, which is a hard thing to detect in time. As you get older, the risks increase for ovarian cancer especially if you took Pergonal, etc. As I recall, if you took those types of drugs, extra screenings including bloodwork and ultrasounds are recommended because, again, ovarian cancer is hard to detect in an early stage. MOO as I didn’t look it up but I can.

 

[Jmoose]

I'm always surprised about how crisp and clear the picture is of the license plate is when it comes with the monthly summary for the non-EZ pass holders. I saw one recently taken at night with bad weather and visibility and the resolution was good.

I do wonder though what happens when fake plates are detected? You would think that there is some group tasked with tracking down deadbeats. From the way the plates were described with the tape etc., it doesn't sound like it would have taken a rocket scientist to figure out the tape alterations and get back to the cancelled plates belonging to FD IMO.

Do you think FD used the plates to head to NY and that is why he needed the altered plates? CT doesn't have tolls and even though I have been searching on the issue of plate readers on major highways I can't find out much other than that they exist along with the traffic cams that everyone is already family with on 95 and Merritt and I would think 91 and 84 etc.

MOO

After reading your post, it occurred to me to wonder how many roads may have plate readers that aren’t also toll-assessors. There are some toll roads around, but between NC and Farmington, it isn’t likely that FD would have taken one. But maybe some roads could have plate readers for crime prevention purposes? I am so not up on these things, and wonder if such a thing is present, and FD wanted to avoid the detection of EE’s truck plates. Just thinking out loud...

 

[afitzy]

Ohmigoodness. This image is from yesterday's Hartford Courant feature. Remarkable how FD has aged in the past six weeks.

Yes! Totally shocking to see what appears to be a shell shocked FD. You have to wonder though, what did he expect would happen? Tradespeople wouldn't jump on the bandwagon and sue?

To see him holding those documents too after being served just has me thinking that things will just start to get interesting soon with all the civil litigation. I wonder how long FORE can remain as it hasn't seemed like a going concern for quite awhile.

How much can a single individual sustain in terms of stress?

I'm not saying this from the standpoint of having sympathy for FD personally, as I think he created the entire situation that he finds himself if today and is sitting in precisely the spot that he deserves to be in legally, given everything that has happened to the business and him personally.

But the stress has to be unreal. He is living in a house he 1/2 owns which I believe is in foreclosure so who knows how long he will have a roof over his head, his legal bills have to be astronomical, hindering/tampering could put him away for 10+ years, murder or manslaughter charge/s could drop any day with potential for 20+ yrs to life, operating expenses for FORE houses are real and ongoing and he needs cash for living expenses with no visible income for nearly 2 years.

Not sure when/if any of the houses will sell but even with the nearly $500,000 price cut on Sturbridge in NC, its still on the market. I'm not sure how this situation can be sustained either from a personal standpoint as the tampering/hindering case is moving slowly along. I also wonder how long Pattis will stay if he is gagged by Judge as what is the point of working pro bono if you can't be out in the press all day long as he appears to love doing. Huge question mark in my mind about Pattis. Not sure how comfy I would feel about having a PD for counsel with murder charges pending?!?

But, he probably is simply feeling anger about being victimized and not thinking of JD, his children or any of the other people that are waiting for their checks to show up for work they did in good faith on his FORE houses.

MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Nice list and explanation...thank you.

And, after re-reading an article this morning, I realized we're talking about three months of billing. Here's a quote from NP that was in the Stamford Advocate.

Pattis said he’s acquired billing records indicating Jennifer Dulos had $14,000 worth of “tests, blood work, diagnostic treatment and ‘lab-reproductive’ coding for work done from February through April 2019.”

“The defendant seeks information about the diagnosis and treatment Ms. Dulos received in the weeks before her disappearance as such information may shed light on what may have motivated her to disappear,” Pattis’ motion says. (BBM)

Jennifer Dulos case: Fotis seeks estranged wife’s medical records

NP is detail challenged, IMO. He either changes times (weeks vs months), amounts (thousands vs hundreds of thousands), or number of vicious press chasing his client. Someone in an earlier thread mentioned that his associate KS was the detail man....NP seems to only be concerned with the size of his audience and the importance of being correct. I've noticed that there are times in court in which he reads his statements...for accuracy? However, when he speaks to the press he's "free wheeling." MOO...MOO

The whole idea that whatever it was would make JD give up and run away is ludicrous for many reasons like she would never leave her children and then there’s this: if JD DID have some awful medical issue, with her money and family connections plus living near a large city, she would know she would have every chance of beating it with the best medical care. The woman had five kids and lived with and left FD: she had strength and courage. MOO.

 

[CuriousCat9]

I’m not quite caught up on this thread so sorry if this has already been hashed out. I’m wondering if FD “acquired” the lab statement from JD’s home. If there wasn’t an active alarm system he probably picked the locks as part of his planning process when he knew the House was empty. Being a malignant narcissist he may have even entered her home on occasion just to spy or feel in control. Have the lab statements been put forth in any filings? I don’t remember seeing them but maybe they aren’t because they have her address on them. Ignore if this has already been discussed.

 

[Jmoose]

My guess is that it was 'acquired' the same way the psych report was 'acquired'!

Still can't believe he wasn't called on his source by Judge or State?!! MOO

Would you be surprised if you heard he was stealing JD’s mail out of her mailbox? I wouldn’t

 

[afitzy]

After reading your post, it occurred to me to wonder how many roads may have plate readers that aren’t also toll-assessors. There are some toll roads around, but between NC and Farmington, it isn’t likely that FD would have taken one. But maybe some roads could have plate readers for crime prevention purposes? I am so not up on these things, and wonder if such a thing is present, and FD wanted to avoid the detection of EE’s truck plates. Just thinking out loud...

This plate reading question is a relevant topic but nothing much seems to be done about it in CT so far as I can see. I don't even know if there is any State legislation on the issue either? We have local PDs that have the license plate readers and seem to just be stockpiling data with no data retention plans in place that will be discussed with the public. I am not even sure if most PDs make the public aware of what they are doing in terms of routine capturing of license plate data in every day life?

Why would any local PD need multiple years of license plate data on say people traveling on Rt7 or 123 or 106 etc.? I am not sure the public knows exactly what the local PDs have in terms of data either which is another issue with these scanners.

Sometimes I think technology moves faster than govts ability to figure out how to manage it while protecting the public and maintaining some level of privacy for citizens. I am also not sure if a citizen asked their local PD or Police Commissions about how these new technologies are being used that any answer would be forthcoming?

Big MOO

 

[afitzy]

I’m not quite caught up on this thread so sorry if this has already been hashed out. I’m wondering if FD “acquired” the lab statement from JD’s home. If there wasn’t an active alarm system he probably picked the locks as part of his planning process when he knew the House was empty. Being a malignant narcissist he may have even entered her home on occasion just to spy or feel in control. Have the lab statements been put forth in any filings? I don’t remember seeing them but maybe they aren’t because they have her address on them. Ignore if this has already been discussed.

You are totally on point I think. I would honestly like to see the State call both Pattis and FD on this so called smoking gun medical evidence and ask these 2 clowns in suits to produce the envelope that the the invoice arrived in. By doing this it would short circuit all the nonsense going on here and end the discussion and speculation.

But I have to wonder, yet again, why would No Case Norm go to the mat with a medical invoice that was addressed to JD individually (if this is in fact how its addressed)?

Would he be so profoundly legally stupid and irresponsible.

Sorry, don't answer that! Sorry I asked (not sorry)

MOO

 

[BellaVita]

No, but I just thought about this. Using certain infertility drugs like are sometimes used in IVF (if she even had that) or before trying IVF, such as Pergonal (injections for multiple days that help result in multiple like up to 10, I think—this is from memory so MOO) are associated with ovarian cancer, which is a hard thing to detect in time. As you get older, the risks increase for ovarian cancer especially if you took Pergonal, etc. As I recall, if you took those types of drugs, extra screenings including bloodwork and ultrasounds are recommended because, again, ovarian cancer is hard to detect in an early stage. MOO as I didn’t look it up but I can.

You don't have to look it up! The $14,000 figure perked me up because a one week hospital stay for me was $56,000 including surgery. Some have said that $14,000 is nothing when it comes to health care but if it doesn't include a hospital stay, that is a lot of money, IMO. I pointed out in another post that I wondered if there really WAS a major health concern that involved PET, MRI or CT scans which can be very costly if you go to a major medical center. And FD says he wants the medical records because it might point to her state of mind...you know, the Gone Girl/Revenge Suicide theories. MOO

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Part of me is hoping he Jeffrey Epstein’s himself, but only so long as JD is found. But he’s such a malignant narcissist he probably is incapable of it.

 

[BellaVita]

Part of me is hoping he Jeffrey Epstein’s himself, but only so long as JD is found. But he’s such a malignant narcissist he probably is incapable of it.

You are right...the Malignant are usually not capable, just think of all the other cases we know about. They do drive others to that point.

 

[CTGrammy]

Yes! Totally shocking to see what appears to be a shell shocked FD. You have to wonder though, what did he expect would happen? Tradespeople wouldn't jump on the bandwagon and sue?

To see him holding those documents too after being served just has me thinking that things will just start to get interesting soon with all the civil litigation. I wonder how long FORE can remain as it hasn't seemed like a going concern for quite awhile.

How much can a single individual sustain in terms of stress?

I'm not saying this from the standpoint of having sympathy for FD personally, as I think he created the entire situation that he finds himself if today and is sitting in precisely the spot that he deserves to be in legally, given everything that has happened to the business and him personally.

But the stress has to be unreal. He is living in a house he 1/2 owns which I believe is in foreclosure so who knows how long he will have a roof over his head, his legal bills have to be astronomical, hindering/tampering could put him away for 10+ years, murder or manslaughter charge/s could drop any day with potential for 20+ yrs to life, operating expenses for FORE houses are real and ongoing and he needs cash for living expenses with no visible income for nearly 2 years.

Not sure when/if any of the houses will sell but even with the nearly $500,000 price cut on Sturbridge in NC, its still on the market. I'm not sure how this situation can be sustained either from a personal standpoint as the tampering/hindering case is moving slowly along. I also wonder how long Pattis will stay if he is gagged by Judge as what is the point of working pro bono if you can't be out in the press all day long as he appears to love doing. Huge question mark in my mind about Pattis. Not sure how comfy I would feel about having a PD for counsel with murder charges pending?!?

But, he probably is simply feeling anger about being victimized and not thinking of JD, his children or any of the other people that are waiting for their checks to show up for work they did in good faith on his FORE houses.

MOO

Narcissists do not feel stress.

They just get angry when things don't go their way and they cannot understand whey things don't go their way.

 

[CTGrammy]

I'm not saying that it should not have been noted for the record. She would have had a termination letter from the health plan. This divorce was headed for a trial, not a settlement, IMO. All evidence would be presented at that time. I just get the sense that if JD lawyer had not tried to play the game with a High Conflict Personality that things would have progressed much faster. MOO

Actually, FD would have received the letter of termination.

FD was paying the premiums and the letter would have gone to the person paying the premiums and his domicile is 4JC.

The Divorce was more than likely, all but finalized.

However, what about custody of the children During the divorce and After the divorce?

The issue was that JD was Fighting for Full Physical Custody of the children During and After the divorce.

If JD waited Months (or years) until the divorce Trial to bring up the point that FD dropped the family healthcare against a court order, then FD's attorney will say 'Well, that is obviously not a problem since JD waited Months (or years) to report the non compliance'.

My best friend went through a very acrimonious divorce with several children involved.

It is Very Imperative to Report Everything as it happens or the other person/attorney will just say that the issue is of no importance since she waited soooo long to make the report to the court.

IMO, JD had top notch attorneys for Family Court and they certainly have experience in Family Court.

The reporting of the issue was not about getting FD to abide by the Court Ordered Mandates.

The reporting of the issue was about showing the Judge that FD was a deadbeat dad and therefore show why JD should continue to have sole physical custody of the children.

If JD never brought any issue to court, then the Judge would have had no choice but to give FD full access to the children.

Who knows where the children would be if FD had full unrestricted access to the children.

Greece? To Never return?

JD would never have seen her children again.

FD threatened this very thing, on more than one occasion.

FD has that friend with a plane, that does not have to file a flight plan, and no passports needed.

JD Needed to prove why the children should be in Her sole physical custody During and After the divorce.

FD is the Only issue causing the divorce to go on for so long.

Had FD just complied with court orders, the divorce and child custody would not have continued for over 2 years.

MOO MOO

Added:

On a side note -- There are No extradition treaties for non criminals or non accused criminals.

In other words, any country out there would not be forced, by a treaty with the US, to return the children to the US.

Assuming they could find the children first.

MOO MOO