Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[Tink56]

Indeed he did. Has been saying since day one that LE had no warrant to confiscate his phone. That it was essentially a theft. However, FD allegedly handed it over willingly. Need the legal eagles to weigh in on this.
Yes, I saw FD's raised eyebrows. Clearly he doesn't understand, nor doesn't care that his siblings can't talk to his children. I even question how close they are to his children? GF has it all in hand, IMO. Smart woman with smart lawyers and armed guards. An elderly, grieving mother with money and moxie and the fortitude to carry on. God bless her. MOO.

In addition to the phone "issue," I worry about the legal ramifications if and when FD is convicted of JD's death. Legally, he could still be the parent and custody could be granted to his "family" in Greece. Hope the family court rules to give GF legal custody of those kiddos. MOO....MOO....(Just in case NP subpoenas WS's.)

 

[BellaVita]

In addition to the phone "issue," I worry about the legal ramifications if and when FD is convicted of JD's death. Legally, he could still be the parent and custody could be granted to his "family" in Greece. Hope the family court rules to give GF legal custody of those kiddos. MOO....MOO....(Just in case NP subpoenas WS's.)

I doubt custody will be given to family in Greece. There have been a lot of these cases and I don't recall any where the family of the murderer is given custody. I'm sure it may have happened but very rare, IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

FYI: Wired published this article about pulling information off of iPhones.
DESPITE APPLE'S PRIVACY PLEDGE, COPS CAN STILL PULL DATA OFF A LOCKED IPHONE
Despite Apple's Privacy Pledge, Cops Can Still Pull Data Off a Locked iPhone

Wow. Awesome Job.

This is a Very Important point.

The title is a bit misleading though.

As the article makes note, if a person backs up their Apple devices to their Mac desktop/laptop, then LE will have access to the most recent Backup found on the Mac.

The security with these items are not as prohibitive as with the iPhone and iPad.

We discussed the syncing of the Apple devices, several threads back.

FD could have definitely backed up his iPhone to his Mac.

I backup my iPhone and iPad to my Mac on a weekly basis and of course my Calendar is synced with all 3 devices.

I also use my Mac to iMessage/text anyone with an Apple device, and it is So much easier to traditionally type a message and all the messages show on All 3 devices simultaneously.

Most people are not too concerned with the security of their home desktop/laptop and may only have a simple password to keep children out or not have a password at all.

Soooo much easier for LE to access the desktop/laptop than the iPhone.

Surely, FD backed up his devices to his Mac? Right?

Even not, he could have synced the iMessages and his Calendar.

That would be Very helpful to LE as well.

MOO MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

And so did she even return a purse and is she seen on CCTV in the store or are those musings solely from the world of Pattis too? Moo.

LE may have proof where she was and if she returned a purse or not, but they have not shared that proof with the public.

Yes, she was seen on CCTV at the store that late Friday morning.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

In addition to the phone "issue," I worry about the legal ramifications if and when FD is convicted of JD's death. Legally, he could still be the parent and custody could be granted to his "family" in Greece. Hope the family court rules to give GF legal custody of those kiddos. MOO....MOO....(Just in case NP subpoenas WS's.)

I agree with you.

This interjection of familial concern from the extended Doulos/Dulos family during a time of grief and transition for GF and the children almost seems like a group of raptors circling around their prey.

When I first heard this discussed in court I almost wished the next sentence out of Colangelos mouth had been that he would like to request that Family Court undertake an investigation of the family contact matter and that appropriate legal measures taken to insure the safety and mental health of the young Dulos children. Instead the Judge/Colangelo seemed to quickly pass this issue like a hot potato back to Judge Heller to deal with in Family Court.

If I had any confidence in GAL 'Show me the Money' Meehan I would have suggested that he take on this mission of safeguarding the Dulos children because its what he is being paid roughly $300,000 a year to do. But, based on his role in the psych report fiasco along with the fact that both sets of atty's in Family court have sent in motions to have him dismissed I don't think he will be on our radar here for very long!

Shameful IMO and completely lacking in any level of empathy if the family was seeking to circumvent the FD no contact order.

Its unfortunate but likely that GF will simply have to go down the path of using legal means to protect the children from the Doulos/Dulos clan.

I do believe all family members are victims in this sad case, BUT the fact that GF was concerned enough about the situation to raise it up to State Atty Colangelo has me suspicious that there is more at play here and that GF is concerned.

For adults to potentially be interjecting themselves into the Dulos childrens lives right now or even using other children to interfere simply seems selfish and self serving IMO.

Big MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

I think GF was part of his focus in killing JD; sort of like “look at what YOU made me do, by your actions-now you can mourn your daughter until you die”; I think his anger towards JD might have almost been peripheral to that of his anger towards GF. And that is why you can see his rage appearing when they talked in court yesterday about GF not wanting his relatives and friends trying to contact HIS children. He is infuriated that she has those kids and he has no control over them.

That is a great thought.

Perhaps GF knew what FD was from the start and FD knew that.

The facial look FD gave in Court was him saying 'Oh, no, I did not do that, not me' but it looked forced and unconvincing. It also looks as if 'he doth protest too much' and when someone does that, they are Definitely hiding something.

MOO

 

[Tink56]

Did anyone catch and fully understand NP's mutterings at the end of the hearing when he was discussing the upcoming deposition for the GF financial suit and contractor's requests for deposition/hearing that might require both FD and MT to be in court together....What was the judge's response? NP's?

 

[citygirl]

In addition to the phone "issue," I worry about the legal ramifications if and when FD is convicted of JD's death. Legally, he could still be the parent and custody could be granted to his "family" in Greece. Hope the family court rules to give GF legal custody of those kiddos. MOO....MOO....(Just in case NP subpoenas WS's.)

I just don't see this happening. Perhaps, I am naive. His conviction is years away, IMO. GF could well be dead by then, sad to say. But, she will have left her legacy through the courts. She will win and Jennifer will win. No way those kids will end up in Greece. MOO.

 

[Laughing]

I doubt custody will be given to family in Greece. There have been a lot of these cases and I don't recall any where the family of the murderer is given custody. I'm sure it may have happened but very rare, IMO.

Still Missing - FL - Isabella Hellmann, 41, catamaran off Cay Sal, FL Keys,14 May 2017 #2 *GUILTY*


Just sayin'

 

[Tink56]

Still Missing - FL - Isabella Hellmann, 41, catamaran off Cay Sal, FL Keys,14 May 2017 #2 *GUILTY*


Just sayin'

Thanks for posting....but...UGH! So pleased GF acted quickly to have physical custody.

 

[citygirl]

IDK. Pattis seems fixated on Bonnie and Clyde running into each other for some reason. I don't get it.

But FD atty Bill Murray I would think is in control to a certain extent on when the deposition can be scheduled with GF atty.

I mean I know FD is a busy guy but how hard can it be to confirm that MT won't be in the building when he is supposed to be there?

I think the way it was left was that the depositions for MT and FD have to be completed w/i a certain period of time. My guess is that GF atty understands the no contact issue and will work to accommodate the issue.

Just seems like a non issue that Pattis was fixated on for whatever reason. I also wonder if he was bringing it up for something to argue about which is a nothingburger as that seems to be another of his tactics. Colangelo was smart I thought to simply walk away and ignore him. Judge didn't even seem to be paying attention to Pattis at all at that point either. It was almost as if Pattis was having a moment with himself?!?

What a circus....

Agreed. Nothingburger at the end of a hearing that granted him just about nothing. Tired and deflated, IMO.
Could not get the ball in his court no matter how hard he tried. MOO.

 

[citygirl]

Who is to say the relatives in Greece even want the children?

FD is going to prison, IMO, for a very long time.

Why would they want the burden of raising 5 children?
I just don't believe this is anything to worry about.

MOO.

 

[gitana1]

I just don’t see it. I see carnival barker, loudest guy in the bar wanting all the attention, and I see someone making fun or light of murder. Even if I didn’t know anything about this case and even if he were defending someone I felt was innocent (and he is not, MOO), I would not like this kind of behavior. It’s not a funny subject at all and I cannot think that the public and jurors would think it is smart or amusing. His behavior reminds me of a high-school kid who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and who thinks everyone else thinks so, too—when they don’t. MOO.

It always surprises me when these tactics aren't universally reviled.

 

[MsJosie]

IIRC, it is a private jet and therefore it would make it to Greece or another country overseas, easily.

MOO

Thanks Grammy...hope the pretty bracelet works and the eyes are watching him.

 

[MemPat]

Who is to say the relatives in Greece even want the children?

FD is going to prison, IMO, for a very long time.

Why would they want the burden of raising 5 children?
I just don't believe this is anything to worry about.

MOO.

It's sad to say that someone is always going to want custody of these children as they come with a large trust fund which will cover a fancy standard of living for the "parents".

 

[On It]

Yes! Totally shocking to see what appears to be a shell shocked FD. You have to wonder though, what did he expect would happen? Tradespeople wouldn't jump on the bandwagon and sue?

To see him holding those documents too after being served just has me thinking that things will just start to get interesting soon with all the civil litigation. I wonder how long FORE can remain as it hasn't seemed like a going concern for quite awhile.

How much can a single individual sustain in terms of stress?

I'm not saying this from the standpoint of having sympathy for FD personally, as I think he created the entire situation that he finds himself if today and is sitting in precisely the spot that he deserves to be in legally, given everything that has happened to the business and him personally.

But the stress has to be unreal. He is living in a house he 1/2 owns which I believe is in foreclosure so who knows how long he will have a roof over his head, his legal bills have to be astronomical, hindering/tampering could put him away for 10+ years, murder or manslaughter charge/s could drop any day with potential for 20+ yrs to life, operating expenses for FORE houses are real and ongoing and he needs cash for living expenses with no visible income for nearly 2 years.

Not sure when/if any of the houses will sell but even with the nearly $500,000 price cut on Sturbridge in NC, its still on the market. I'm not sure how this situation can be sustained either from a personal standpoint as the tampering/hindering case is moving slowly along. I also wonder how long Pattis will stay if he is gagged by Judge as what is the point of working pro bono if you can't be out in the press all day long as he appears to love doing. Huge question mark in my mind about Pattis. Not sure how comfy I would feel about having a PD for counsel with murder charges pending?!?

But, he probably is simply feeling anger about being victimized and not thinking of JD, his children or any of the other people that are waiting for their checks to show up for work they did in good faith on his FORE houses.

MOO

He’s a sociopath IMO

 

[On It]

I think GF was part of his focus in killing JD; sort of like “look at what YOU made me do, by your actions-now you can mourn your daughter until you die”; I think his anger towards JD might have almost been peripheral to that of his anger towards GF. And that is why you can see his rage appearing when they talked in court yesterday about GF not wanting his relatives and friends trying to contact HIS children. He is infuriated that she has those kids and he has no control over them.

Totally! IMO

 

[On It]

I'm not saying that it should not have been noted for the record. She would have had a termination letter from the health plan. This divorce was headed for a trial, not a settlement, IMO. All evidence would be presented at that time. I just get the sense that if JD lawyer had not tried to play the game with a High Conflict Personality that things would have progressed much faster. MOO

Narcopaths never settle. The fight is their juice- their oxygen. The releasing of all that pent up rage-

 

[On It]

Oh, gross. Fingernail fungus. Fotis fungus.

I would not have guessed those were his hands- telling

 

[tmar]

Agreed. Nothingburger at the end of a hearing that granted him just about nothing. Tired and deflated, IMO.
Could not get the ball in his court no matter how hard he tried. MOO.

I wonder if FD will remove NP.
Surely, it is clear NP is a waste of time OR does FD agree with these tactics.
They would discuss matters beforehand I would think.
MOO.