Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[Jmoose]

Hold on now.
What do we know about his family?
Sister is an architect in Greece. Niece somewhere around New England. Brother in Mass. Father passed long before all this started. Mother had tragic accident.

Now stop right there. That’s all we know about the tragedy right now. LE never pursued it. So it was an accident until proven otherwise. Tragic. No doubt. Questionable in light of recent events. But an accident.

I’ve never seen anything else about them. Maybe they are cruel. Maybe not.

It’s not the benefit of the doubt about the family. It’s that they start out on even ground in my humble opinion. We’re so quick to judge them. Wouldn’t you try to do SOMETHING if your family member was in this situation? Maybe not even for FD, but for his children? To reach out to GF and ask if there is anything that they can do to help the children? Or GF? And if the response is leave us alone, then FD family knows that at least they tried to do right IN THEIR HEARTS. Maybe GF was advised by therapists to not allow contact. I don’t know. But if that’s what she was advised, she acted on that suggestion. If she was advised otherwise, that is still her decision. Who better to know what is best for her grandchildren?

So which family member was attempting contact? Multiple persons? Non family members? Greeks are a very tight knit group. Like the Jews, Hispanics and some Asians. I’m sure there are more national groups that are very clannish. I admire all of them for these traits. I wish I belonged to an ethnic group like that. The best I can do is work with my family, to bind us together. No matter what happens. We’re family. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ONE.

So if a member of FD is cruel, so be it. BUT:

Maybe they are reaching out with love and not cruelty. Maybe with concern for the children’s welfare. Maybe so that the children know the Greek side of the family knows that they are suffering and wished they could help, in some way.
And not for any other reason.

What do any of you think?
Can we give the families a chance?
I’m willing to give them that opportunity, until facts present themselves that would change my decision.
Family courts look to the following:
“What is in the best interests of the children?”

The Greek side of the family pushed the Jewish side of the family out, with the exception of the Farber money-Dulos and his family were a-ok with that(children all had Greek names, Greek holidays usurped Jewish ones, family vacations were in Greece). I have to say, respectfully (because I think you are awesome, Midwesternmom2019) that the Greek side shouldn’t feel like they’ve been pushed aside; their family member killed JD. The only appropriate family for these children to associate with is the Farber family, which has financially supported them for years, and is the only one worried about Jennifer.

 

[afitzy]

He tried to be stoic, but you could see a couple of times that he was PO’d when the prosecutor was speaking-especially when he talked about FD’s family trying to contact the children. You know he is responsible for that.

I honestly think that he is going to drag his entire family down with him in this situation and I'm disappointed that none of them are standing back and realizing that they are mere pawns in the games of FD.

I can see wanting to offer comfort to the children if a longstanding relationship was in place but we have no info to suggest such relationships existed. FD sister is much older (think 12 yrs) than her brother so her children would be much older than the Dulos children IMO and who knows what the relationship might be.

But the reaching out by the Greek relatives potentially seems to be more than a bit insensitive IMO given that FD is under court orders to have no contact with his children (and previously had supervised visitation). I would think the Duolos extended family would respect the court order on their relative and give space, time and privacy to the Dulos children. It impossible to know how close any of these people were but if the extended family were being used as tools of FD that IMO is simply wrong and needs to be stopped by the Court which is what I thought the Judge did today.

Sad that they can't see the situation for what it is and pathetic that he is using unsuspecting family members to contact and most likely upset his children.

Sad that GF has to deal with this situation as she is the one left with no doubt crying and upset children that cannot understand what is going on.

Shameful. MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I try to keep up with all the posts here. But I must have missed the Dulos Family contacting the children through an intermediary.
Can someone point me in the correct direction?

 

[CTGrammy]

Hold on now.
What do we know about his family?
Sister is an architect in Greece. Niece somewhere around New England. Brother in Mass. Father passed long before all this started. Mother had tragic accident.

Now stop right there. That’s all we know about the tragedy right now. LE never pursued it. So it was an accident until proven otherwise. Tragic. No doubt. Questionable in light of recent events. But an accident.

I’ve never seen anything else about them. Maybe they are cruel. Maybe not.

It’s not the benefit of the doubt about the family. It’s that they start out on even ground in my humble opinion. We’re so quick to judge them. Wouldn’t you try to do SOMETHING if your family member was in this situation? Maybe not even for FD, but for his children? To reach out to GF and ask if there is anything that they can do to help the children? Or GF? And if the response is leave us alone, then FD family knows that at least they tried to do right IN THEIR HEARTS. Maybe GF was advised by therapists to not allow contact. I don’t know. But if that’s what she was advised, she acted on that suggestion. If she was advised otherwise, that is still her decision. Who better to know what is best for her grandchildren?

So which family member was attempting contact? Multiple persons? Non family members? Greeks are a very tight knit group. Like the Jews, Hispanics and some Asians. I’m sure there are more national groups that are very clannish. I admire all of them for these traits. I wish I belonged to an ethnic group like that. The best I can do is work with my family, to bind us together. No matter what happens. We’re family. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ONE.

So if a member of FD is cruel, so be it. BUT:

Maybe they are reaching out with love and not cruelty. Maybe with concern for the children’s welfare. Maybe so that the children know the Greek side of the family knows that they are suffering and wished they could help, in some way.
And not for any other reason.

What do any of you think?
Can we give the families a chance?
I’m willing to give them that opportunity, until facts present themselves that would change my decision.
Family courts look to the following:
“What is in the best interests of the children?”

Perhaps a letter sent by the United States Postal Service, that has been written in english or correctly translated into english.

Then GF can monitor All contact and decide on a letter by letter basis if appropriate for the children.

I would also have the children's therapist read the letters before giving them to the children.

IMO, this would be the extent that I would allow, barring a No Contact Order.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

I think he was making the absurb suggestion that because of his comments that people might have gone out and bought her book and so she would have earned money on the book sales! Total BS IMO and No Case Norm overstates his impact yet again here. But again we saw the patronizing tone towards the author I thought. Does No Case Norm simply have the default reaction to attack women and demean them? We have seen this so many times before. MOO

I wonder how many female clients he’s had? High profile or not?

 

[afitzy]

Trying to buddy up to media. NP gets more exposure. News guy gets an “exclusive” interview. Same stuff, different day.

I just didn't expect this of Owen given his track record as a reporter. Made me more than a bit sad but its the way our world goes round and round. These 2 need each other and if not today then some other day. Way of the world. MOO

 

[Jmoose]

I try to keep up with all the posts here. But I must have missed the Dulos Family contacting the children through an intermediary.
Can someone point me in the correct direction?

It was referred to in today’s court proceeding; it was the last issue the prosecutor brought up. I don’t think there was any reference anywhere else about it.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Yup. He was emphatic about not killing someone today. Bizzaro!

Methinks he protests too much...WS’ers, stay out of his way! Seriously: how does he dare joke about something so serious?

 

[Websleuth 007]

I try to keep up with all the posts here. But I must have missed the Dulos Family contacting the children through an intermediary.
Can someone point me in the correct direction?

This point was raised today in FD's court appearance as an " additional" item that the Prosecutors raised at the end of the today's hearing. I believe the judge responded favorably to this request by the state. IMO

 

[The Night Watchman]

What is up with FD hands? View attachment 197724

Maybe nail fungus. Maybe acid burns. But nail fungus doesn't turn black like his index finger.

If you are using acid, you would wear gloves. The most likely place to get a burn is the fingertips, since gloves tend to leak there due to defects or mechanical abrasion (personal experience).

Hydrofluoric acid might do that to your fingers, but you can't dissolve a body in it. However, if you watched Breaking Bad, you might think it could.

Sulfuric acid or lye can leave such damage as well, and would dissolve a body. When exposed to sulfuric acid, you will feel a burn and take action to rinse and change gloves.

JD's body hasn't been found, and I doubt it will be. Despite FD's garbage disposal methods, I think he is very bright and educated. And evil.

A burn analysis reference, but it has disturbing images. "Clinical and forensic signs related to chemical burns: A mechanistic approach", Ricardo Jorge Dinis-Oliveira, 2014 Elsevier Ltd.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

The Greek side of the family pushed the Jewish side of the family out, with the exception of the Farber money (children all had Greek names, Greek holidays usurped Jewish ones, family vacations were in Greece). I have to say, respectfully (because I think you are awesome, Midwesternmom2019) that the Greek side shouldn’t feel like they’ve been pushed aside; their family member killed JD. The only appropriate family for these children to associate with is the Farber family, which has financially supported them for years, and is the only one worried about Jennifer.

Oh no. I agree that the Greek side has pushed over the Jewish faith. And I did not mean to imply that the Greek side feels pushed aside. I don’t know what the dynamics are at this point. Who feels what other than total tragedy.
My suggestion is that if Greek side extended olive branch, maybe GF would consider the offer. Not accepting would certainly not surprise me.
The point was a response to the poster who said Dulos family is cruel. And I saw no evidence to support their cruelty. FD? Yes. Rest of family? No.
However the fallout shakes out, is how it will be.
Today there may be no contact. Maybe in the future, curiosity will drive the children to search for answers.

There are always two sides to a story. And the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[afitzy]

Is there some way of setting the phones so that all emails, texts and recorded phone calls to these children also appear on another device controlled by either GF or the nanny? This way, there could be a record of what has been sent, or said to the children. Remember, NY is a one party consent state, and a recording in this way would be legal. I don’t know if wireless devices can work this way-but think 13 year olds cannot be kept entirely away from devices. You would then have specific evidence to take into court[/QUOTE
My bet is that GF and her team are all over this. But its unfortunate that the situation even came to the point of having to use the courts to solve it IMO.

Do I believe FD is behind this frontal assault by supposedly well meaning and possibly innocent family member? Yep. Its sad that someone that says they care about their children would or could do this. But this is the same person who didn't get that getting their children to lie on his behalf wasn't a good idea either and was sent to counseling by the Judge. So, that is what we are dealing with in FD and perhaps his family is no different? IDK.

Its awful IMO that it might just come to GF having to take member of the Duolos family individually to court or engage the State via the criminal court to assist in the issue. Judge in criminal case seemed to punt the issue back to Family Court so I'm not sure from a procedure point what that entails but I have confidence that GF team will deal with situation and have full support from a psychologist or mental health professional for guidance.

The point made earlier in the thread about if the family want to see the children then work via the courts makes sense given the overall situation with FD and GF having custody.

Sad to see innocent children dragged in this way by adults that should know more and better IMO.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I wonder how many female clients he’s had? High profile or not?

I've just looked at his work over the past 4 years and he has had a few but not many that I've seen. But the tone taken and the dismissive language and body language when speaking about the author in Court today wasn't necessary. I don't think he has forgotten the authors name for a second and I think it was butchered on purpose to indicate her lack of significance. IMO the attitude we've seen so far on women won't serve him well with jury (not that he wants women on his jury!). MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Oh no. I agree that the Greek side has pushed over the Jewish faith. And I did not mean to imply that the Greek side feels pushed aside. I don’t know what the dynamics are at this point. Who feels what other than total tragedy.
My suggestion is that if Greek side extended olive branch, maybe GF would consider the offer. Not accepting would certainly not surprise me.
The point was a response to the poster who said Dulos family is cruel. And I saw no evidence to support their cruelty. FD? Yes. Rest of family? No.
However the fallout shakes out, is how it will be.
Today there may be no contact. Maybe in the future, curiosity will drive the children to search for answers.

There are always two sides to a story. And the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Fair enough...they should have attempted to contact the children through GF, though, if they didn’t. I got the impression from today’s proceeding that they were attempting to contact the children (likely the older ones) directly. I don’t know this as a fact, but it seemed to make sense to me that if they were contacting GF, she would just tell them to take a hike; that the children are not anywhere near ready for such contact. IMO, relatives and others in the waterskiing world were contacting the two older boys. I have gotten the impression from stuff I’ve read, and stuff I’ve read into, that FD might have been especially close with Petros. This could be where the contact started. This all is MOO.

 

[Tink56]

Hold on now.
What do we know about his family?
Sister is an architect in Greece. Niece somewhere around New England. Brother in Mass. Father passed long before all this started. Mother had tragic accident.

Now stop right there. That’s all we know about the tragedy right now. LE never pursued it. So it was an accident until proven otherwise. Tragic. No doubt. Questionable in light of recent events. But an accident.

I’ve never seen anything else about them. Maybe they are cruel. Maybe not.

It’s not the benefit of the doubt about the family. It’s that they start out on even ground in my humble opinion. We’re so quick to judge them. Wouldn’t you try to do SOMETHING if your family member was in this situation? Maybe not even for FD, but for his children? To reach out to GF and ask if there is anything that they can do to help the children? Or GF? And if the response is leave us alone, then FD family knows that at least they tried to do right IN THEIR HEARTS. Maybe GF was advised by therapists to not allow contact. I don’t know. But if that’s what she was advised, she acted on that suggestion. If she was advised otherwise, that is still her decision. Who better to know what is best for her grandchildren?

So which family member was attempting contact? Multiple persons? Non family members? Greeks are a very tight knit group. Like the Jews, Hispanics and some Asians. I’m sure there are more national groups that are very clannish. I admire all of them for these traits. I wish I belonged to an ethnic group like that. The best I can do is work with my family, to bind us together. No matter what happens. We’re family. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ONE.

So if a member of FD is cruel, so be it. BUT:

Maybe they are reaching out with love and not cruelty. Maybe with concern for the children’s welfare. Maybe so that the children know the Greek side of the family knows that they are suffering and wished they could help, in some way.
And not for any other reason.

What do any of you think?
Can we give the families a chance?
I’m willing to give them that opportunity, until facts present themselves that would change my decision.
Family courts look to the following:
“What is in the best interests of the children?”

I agree with your sentiments, as I've worked on behalf of foster children in the court system. Kids "love" their parents...the parent is part of them....IMO, the parents fulfill an atavistic tribal need to belong to a group....but, sometimes we have to keep kids safe and prevent further emotional/psychological damage from parents who are themselves "damaged" in some way or so angry they are acting irrationally without being aware of the effect on their kiddos.

I agree with you if the relatives reached out to GF with love and asking how to support the children. I am appalled, however, if the relatives circumvented GF and communicated directly with the children. As always...JMOO...

 

[dlharris2712]

What is up with FD hands? View attachment 197724

It looks like bruises that are healing from his fingers being smashed...BTW - he needs a manicure...jmo

 

[MDATCA]

I’m no expert on body language but I know some and the biggest tells are when people act differently than they normally do or when they show micro expressions, the very, very fast expressions like an eyebrow flash that can’t be stopped; and when they characteristically do something in a specific situation such as the person always flexes his hands in stressful times. Just seeing someone once and seeing the person flex his or her hands isn’t necessarily significant. Some people aren’t good at eye contact ever so if they don’t look people in the eye, it is a normal thing for them and probably has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. On FD, his body language is quite different from his usual proud, in-your-face stance so, yeah. I’d imagine most people would feel and act differently in court as a defendant but his overall appearance seems quite diminished although I feel no sympathy even though I am normally a very kind person. And, too, he probably was coached on how to look and behave. His microexpressions like when he looked at the server can’t be managed, though. All MOO.

In the courtroom he looked like a beady eyed rat cornered by a cat. All wide eyed and shifty. Like he is waiting to be pounced on.

 

[dlharris2712]

After court today (also known as a s*it-show) I am angrier and sadder. This pony-tailed puke face is a waste of oxygen; as is his shifty-eyed dirty rat of a client. jmo...off to the corner-again.

 

[Kapua]

Pattis says his objective is to make sure Dulos “never charged with murder”

via Twitter

Mike Savino on Twitter

Not a very noble goal, IMHO.

 

[afitzy]

Court summary by local paper/Patch:
Missing Mom Case: Fotis Dulos Denied Wife's Medical Records