Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[afitzy]

No, but here again is the whistling in the dark past the graveyard and his apparent ploy that if he’s charming and jokes about his bad behavior, they’ll find him endearing and it’ll be, “Oh, that’s just how NP is, he’s a good ole boy.” He’s not respectful to other lawyers, the judges, or the discipline. Does his therapist never bring this stuff up?! MOO.

No Case Norm said on the radio show a few weeks ago that he does therapy 4x week.

So, my guess is that the questions and answers have all be rehashed over and over and over again IMO!

Watching Pattis in action is interesting because so much of his patter seems reflexive in nature.

I believe he is also somewhat strategic but it seems like he is flying by the seat of his pants much of the time.

We will see how short of a fuse this Judge has for Pattis antics.

My hope is that this skirting of rules and defiant behavior is shut down at some point by the Judge.

Moo MOO

 

[MemPat]

No, but here again is the whistling in the dark past the graveyard and his apparent ploy that if he’s charming and jokes about his bad behavior, they’ll find him endearing and it’ll be, “Oh, that’s just how NP is, he’s a good ole boy.” He’s not respectful to other lawyers, the judges, or the discipline. Does his therapist never bring this stuff up?! MOO.

Imagine a focus group of Pattis' potential customers/criminals and which advertising approach would win their approval.

It would be him as the ultimate outsider counterpunching everything that is honest and above board, always full of grievance in the face of LE.

That would explain why he does what he does.....well, that and just inherent obnoxiousness (Is that a word?)!

Who knows which weighs more heavily?

 

[BellaVita]

Imagine a focus group of Pattis' potential customers/criminals and which advertising approach would win their approval.

It would be him as the ultimate outsider counterpunching everything that is honest and above board, always full of grievance in the face of LE.

That would explain why he does what he does.....well, that and just inherent obnoxiousness (Is that a word?)!

Who knows which weighs more heavily?

The inherent obnoxiousness is an attention grabbing behavior. A trait of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I really don't care if he suffered during childhood. A lot of people suffer. And they don't turn out like him. Survivors of sexual abuse don't like it when a molester blames it on abuse of themselves. Everybody has a choice as to what kind of person they want to be. Narcissists and Sociopaths do so much damage to those around them that I have zero empathy for anything that has happened to them. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I garden without gloves and my hands never look like that

Well all I know is that my husband once told me that his Xwife got finger nail fungus after gardening without gloves. Ever since then, I’ve always worn gloves when gardening.

 

[Tink56]

On the FD phone situation I went back and listened to the discussion in court today.

Today we got confirmation that FD had 2 phones.

The arrest warrant so far as I can tell refers to 1 phone.

Perhaps there was a delay in getting a warrant for the second phone and extraction didn't happen as quickly as it did on the iPhone X that FD gave to NCPD on the 25th?

Just a guess as to what might be going on but listening today it wasn't even clear that the States Atty could explain the delay so honestly who knows? MOO

Perchance, is the phone MT was using owned by FD? The warrant mentions MT's phone. Technically the two phones are "owned" by FD???? I certainly don't know.

 

[1&2&3]

Comments on several items.

1. The only way JD could have taken money out of any of FD’s accounts is her name had to be on it! If the account was in his name only, even if part or all of the money was from a joint account, it would have taken a court order for her to receive any of it. We have not heard of any court orders returning money to her. And then if that were the case, it would not be expressed as NP has said that JD took money out of FD’s account. It would have been court ordered.

2. On the question of FD opening the medical bill with lab charges, how soon did that arrive after JD moved out? Had she changed her address at the doctor’s office and the post office. With the temper and attitude FD had, it is no doubt he opened it to see what was going on! From personal experience, my lawyer would open the Mr.’s mail as long as it came to our address after the separation! I was afraid to open it, lawyer said it was Mr.’s duty to change address. Therefore, he would open, date it, and keep it in case there was ever any question. It would teach him to follow judge’s rules and also not allow him to use ‘picking up his mail’ as a reason for stopping by. It worked as the last thing he wanted was his mail coming to my house!

 

[sleuth66]

This gives a pretty good rundown of what it entails.

Police are getting a lot of use out of cell phone extraction tech

Included are a dictionary tool to search for every word ever entered into the device, a social connection mapper so all of the phone user’s relationships are neatly charted, a geo-location mapper to see where the person has been going, and many other tools to make cracking all that data more manageable and efficient.

This may be why it's taking a while, the article linked above (thanks @MassGuy) is from 2017 but IIRC FD had an iPhone X and it looks like the newer iPhones are harder to extract:

"The kinds of phones being cracked is also interesting, as there is much debate about whether these devices can crack an iPhone 6 or 7. While there were no instances of iPhone 7’s being cracked, several 6’s were tapped into by both Tulsa and Tucson PD’s."

 

[afitzy]

Perchance, is the phone MT was using owned by FD? The warrant mentions MT's phone. Technically the two phones are "owned" by FD???? I certainly don't know.

You are asking a good question because the arrest warrant refers to FD iPhoneX and then goes on to say that NCPD were than filing a warrant for MT handset data=2 total phones mentioned.

The arrest warrant only refers to 2 handsets (FD and MT) so if they were on a common plan/corporate plan then it would make sense that we are talking about a TOTAL of 2 phones rather than a TOTAL of 3 phones (FD 2 phones and MT 1 phone). The arrest warrant for MT doesn't say that she owns her own phone either.

So, maybe there are just 2 phones total and not the 3 that it seemed might exist from the testimony today that was a bit confusing.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

This may be why it's taking a while, the article linked above (thanks @MassGuy) is from 2017 but IIRC FD had an iPhone X and it looks like the newer iPhones are harder to extract:

"The kinds of phones being cracked is also interesting, as there is much debate about whether these devices can crack an iPhone 6 or 7. While there were no instances of iPhone 7’s being cracked, several 6’s were tapped into by both Tulsa and Tucson PD’s."

I guess what I am not getting on this phone extraction question is that the warrant is quite clear that both the FD iPhoneX and MT phone had warrants attached to them.

The warrant was very specific about time stamps from FD phone for the afternoon of the 24th - Wouldn't this mean that extraction had taken place to get the time stamp data?

The only reference to MT location using what must have been cell phone data (but maybe this is a poor assumption IDK) was that "Troconis' cellular device traveled along with that of Dulos throughout the Hartford area".

Neither FD nor MT arrest warrant has any time stamp data for MT. IDK why this is the case but perhaps there was a delay with the warrant timing and the most they could do at the time the arrest warrants were prepared was follow a path or sync MT path to FD path but they didn't have the same time stamp data we had for FD.

It seems that to make the statements in the arrest warrants about both phones that some work by the State Marshall had been done as the following statement was made in the arrest warrant:

"Investigators consulted with the United States Marshals Service, who

provided analytical support for cellphone data for Dulos' handset and Troconis' call detail records". [BBM].

I claim no expertise in this data extraction process at all and always defer to experts here on WS on these matters, but just reading the arrest warrant it doesn't seem that at the time the arrest warrant was prepared that LE had the same info for both phones. The arrest warrant says "Cellphone Data" for FD handset and for MT "Call Detail records".

Where is @otto when you need him!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Summary article from SA:
Jennifer Dulos case: Judge denies request for medical records, delays ruling on gag order

 

[BellaVita]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

 

[sleuth66]

I guess what I am not getting on this phone extraction question is that the warrant is quite clear that both the FD iPhoneX and MT phone had warrants attached to them.

The warrant was very specific about time stamps from FD phone for the afternoon of the 24th - Wouldn't this mean that extraction had taken place to get the time stamp data?

The only reference to MT location using what must have been cell phone data (but maybe this is a poor assumption IDK) was that "Troconis' cellular device traveled along with that of Dulos throughout the Hartford area".

Neither FD nor MT arrest warrant has any time stamp data for MT. IDK why this is the case but perhaps there was a delay with the warrant timing and the most they could do at the time the arrest warrants were prepared was follow a path or sync MT path to FD path but they didn't have the same time stamp data we had for FD.

It seems that to make the statements in the arrest warrants about both phones that some work by the State Marshall had been done as the following statement was made in the arrest warrant:

"Investigators consulted with the United States Marshals Service, who

provided analytical support for cellphone data for Dulos' handset and Troconis' call detail records". [BBM].

I claim no expertise in this data extraction process at all and always defer to experts here on WS on these matters, but just reading the arrest warrant it doesn't seem that at the time the arrest warrant was prepared that LE had the same info for both phones. The arrest warrant says "Cellphone Data" for FD handset and for MT "Call Detail records".

Where is @otto when you need him!

MOO

I think there are different types of data to be extracted. Having the phones, they can probably get the info about where they pinged more easily than some of the other data, such as searches, erased information, etc.
The article that @MassGuy posted had a lot of detailed information that could be extracted, way beyond location data, and it looked like it would take some work especially with newer iPhones.
LE probably had enough for the warrant just knowing where the phones pinged to that night, but maybe it takes longer to get all the minutae out- now we know it is important to know about contacts with KM, etc. Also was FD searching for the term "Jennifer Dulos" that day on his phone, maybe trying to monitor news coverage to see if anything had been reported yet? For example. If he searched for her name before the Silver Alert went out, that would be suspicious wouldn't it be? And who knows what else he was doing with his phone that they can detect. I hope we get to see what they extract...

 

[nina318]

I have a question. Perhaps it was clarified before, but are there two Suburbans? One is FD's, which will be returned and another JD's, which is still a mystery? MOO

 

[Tink56]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

I was curious and looked up the executive physical exam at Scripps Health Clinic in California. It's a well-known facility with high end prices which are not quoted here, but these would/could be routine for such an exam. I think that as JD was in her early 50's she might have availed herself of a complete physical and she could have had areas of concern or request counseling about nutrition etc. IMO, and I welcome feedback from medical personnel on the East Coast, but in CA this would be a fairly costly physical.
From: Executive Health Examination – Scripps Health

WholePerson examination testing

• Personal and family medical history review by an internal medicine specialist or family practitioner
• The millennium blood chemistry panel including:
• Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy, comprehensive metabolic panel, complete blood count (CBC), TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test and HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Comprehensive metabolic panel
• Complete blood count (CBC)
• TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test
• HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Occult blood and urinalysis
• Body fat determination
• Chest X-ray
• Hearing test
• Pulmonary function test
• Full-body skin evaluation by a dermatologist
• One-on-one consultations with members of your examination team with a follow-up discussion with physician and written report after your tests results have been compiled

Heart-specific care

• HDL and LDL levels
• Highly sensitive C-reactive protein
• NMR Lipoprotein testing (advanced cholesterol test)
• Carotid intima medial thickening measurement (ultrasound)
• Central aortic blood pressure
• Treadmill stress test and consultation with physician

Gender-specific testing

• Mammogram (women)
• Prostate specific antigen – PSA (men)

Lifestyle consultations


Your executive health examination also includes a lifestyle assessment to help you improve your health and overall well-being.

• Exercise prescription with an exercise physiologist
• Life quality assessment with a clinical psychologist
• Mind-body connection with a holistic health practitioner
• Nutritional analysis with a registered dietitian
• Revitalizing massage with a licensed massage therapist

So when we're talking about a large bill...before insurance????….may be $14,000 isn't outrageous.

 

[BellaVita]

I was curious and looked up the executive physical exam at Scripps Health Clinic in California. It's a well-known facility with high end prices which are not quoted here, but these would/could be routine for such an exam. I think that as JD was in her early 50's she might have availed herself of a complete physical and she could have had areas of concern or request counseling about nutrition etc. IMO, and I welcome feedback from medical personnel on the East Coast, but in CA this would be a fairly costly physical.
From: Executive Health Examination – Scripps Health

WholePerson examination testing

• Personal and family medical history review by an internal medicine specialist or family practitioner
• The millennium blood chemistry panel including:
• Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy, comprehensive metabolic panel, complete blood count (CBC), TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test and HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Comprehensive metabolic panel
• Complete blood count (CBC)
• TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test
• HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Occult blood and urinalysis
• Body fat determination
• Chest X-ray
• Hearing test
• Pulmonary function test
• Full-body skin evaluation by a dermatologist
• One-on-one consultations with members of your examination team with a follow-up discussion with physician and written report after your tests results have been compiled

Heart-specific care

• HDL and LDL levels
• Highly sensitive C-reactive protein
• NMR Lipoprotein testing (advanced cholesterol test)
• Carotid intima medial thickening measurement (ultrasound)
• Central aortic blood pressure
• Treadmill stress test and consultation with physician

Gender-specific testing

• Mammogram (women)
• Prostate specific antigen – PSA (men)

Lifestyle consultations


Your executive health examination also includes a lifestyle assessment to help you improve your health and overall well-being.

• Exercise prescription with an exercise physiologist
• Life quality assessment with a clinical psychologist
• Mind-body connection with a holistic health practitioner
• Nutritional analysis with a registered dietitian
• Revitalizing massage with a licensed massage therapist

So when we're talking about a large bill...before insurance????….may be $14,000 isn't outrageous.

Highly unlikely out of pocket costs would be over a $5000 deductible. I'm just not seeing it. IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

Ha! I’d like to think so. I think there’s probably a legitimate reason though.

I’m not sure what issue they could have run into. I just know that there is specialized software, and it doesn’t require a lot of technical expertise.

LE could be locked out of the phone and they are still trying to get in.

At least one of the 2 phones is an iPhone and they are near impossible to access once locked out.

 

[MassGuy]

LE could be locked out of the phone and they are still trying to get in.

At least one of the 2 phones is an iPhone and they are near impossible to access once locked out.

If FD was fighting providing his password, I think we would have heard about it.

It’s possible though.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

He said that three times! WTH?

I don’t know, but I think NP is struggling with trying to defend FD. I’m almost embarrassed for the man as he really has very little to work with. Fotis looks at him with daggers in his eyes, but what does he expect! It’s pretty obvious he killed his wife and only time will show the truth.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

In the courtroom he looked like a beady eyed rat cornered by a cat. All wide eyed and shifty. Like he is waiting to be pounced on.

I agree 100%. He seems to be seething at his lawyer because he’s not getting his way. He’s scary and desperate imo.

 

[CLUEDOG]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

Interesting - I’m surprised $14,000 raises any eyebrows. I had to go to the hospital recently for a bad migraine. Even with explaining my long history of migraines - nothing out of the blue for me- just unable to treat at home and needed stronger medication from the hospital- which happens once in a while, the doctor insisted I have an MRI. After that was completed and concluding that I had also an inflamed sinus causing adding to the migraine- the doctor was telling me I should have a spinal tap to see if the infection had gone into my brain - omg?! I said no thank you- took the meds, the antibiotics and got a taxi home. After all of the (meds and IVs included) I saw the bill to my insurance company was over $6,000. So I can imagine had I consented to the spinal tap I would have easily made my way into the realm of $14,000... and there is nothing seriously wrong here - I had a horrible sinus infection and my years of menstrual hormone triggered migraines....
sorry a lot of info here that is so random to this whole thing- but I really am surprised that a medical bill for diagnostic testing in the realm of $14,000 raises any eyebrows.... (this coming from a NYC native who lives in New Canaan)