Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

[Midwestmom2019]

LE did not need the actual phones to retrieve the phone pings and the locations of those phone pings.

LE gets this information from the cell phone Company and can track a cell phone in Real Time.

LE would also be able to get more detailed information about calls to and from the phone, duration of those calls, dates and times of calls, identity and numbers of the 2nd party, locations of those calls, dates and times of the cell phone's locations, dates and times of texts messages to and from the phone (more difficult for iPhones), the text messages themselves, data stored in the Cloud like the calendar and pictures, and all from just the information gleaned from the cell phone Company.

All with a Warrant, of course.

IME, someone reported to LE that a person's social media account seemed to say that a person was about to commit suicide.

LE agreed with that assessment and with just the cell phone Number, LE was able to track phone pings received from the cell phone Company and find the subject before they did something irreversible.

Took less than 15 minutes from first notification and locating the subject in-person.

Of course, this was a life or death emergency situation and other situations would require a Warrant first.

LE would need to have the phone to obtain the internet search activity, contact list not sent to the Cloud, downloads, apps, pictures not sent to the Cloud, etc.

MOO, MOO, and MOO

Or FD backed everything up from phones to computer, laptop, USB, or whatever other tech equipment was set up. Even a passport.
Math genius is close enough to computer geek. FD backed it up. It’s there somewhere.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Also want to add about the $14,000 lab work claim. I don't in any way believe this amount would come from lab work/blood tests. Nor would any such lab work have anything to do with JD mental state. I work in the field of advanced radiology procedures...PET, MRI and CT scans. If a member chooses to have these procedures done at a large, well-renowned medical center, a single procedure can go toward an entire deductible of $5000. You can go to a stand-alone facility and pay 90% less for the same procedure. If you have a serious medical condition like cancer or MS, you are going to meet your deductible anyway so many members choose to stay with the high cost facility because it is convenient and their doctor has privileges there. Saving $4500 to go to a lower cost facility would not have mattered to JD...she had the money. But if she had $14,000 worth of radiology procedures done, there may have been a very serious health concern. IMO. IME.

I’ve been thinking that $14000 doesn’t sound like that much especially if it was a bill before insurance paid or without insurance, meaning it was the “full” cost. I just Googled and grabbed the first reputable thing I found:

How Much Does a Blood Test Cost? Maybe $10,000

Genetic tests like to screen for genes related to breast and other heritage cancers (NOT tests once you have breast cancer) are expensive and JD was 50. Routine tests, etc. could cost that before insurance adjustments in my experience. An entire blood chemistry that might be done at 50 as a preventive measure would be expensive. Just a thought.

 

[afitzy]

Oh, Afitzy, you are too smart to be asking these questions!!! The allure of a charming sociopath is not to be underestimated. Look up "No Contact". I don't like MT but she was under the spell of FD just as Jennifer was. I'm not cutting her slack. I just know how it goes. IME.

I get the charming narcopath or whatever folks are calling FD these days and how MT stupidly seemed to swallow the bait, hook line and sinker.

Yes, she seems like a total idiot to not see through this textbook case of narcissism that if she had been paying attention in her abnormal psych class in college the chica would have run for the hills! Got all this....

I'm not giving MT any points for intelligence and certainly no points for positive life choices, for lack of a better phrase! I get this completely, MT was completely duped probably for her own reasons by the FD narcopath act. I get that but that wasn't really my question.

No, I'm trying to understand why Pattis is tying FD to MT in his dialog still after the no contact was ordered and Bowman won't answer his calls. Today he even talked about taking MT mail to Bowman in hopes that he delivers it to MT. Why? Pattis does fly by the seat of his pants but he has been so consistent in his tying MT and FD together that I wonder what the game is! I know its some version of the crooks on the street that play 3 card monte but even with those guys if you watch them long enough you can figure out where the penny is!

MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

I was curious and looked up the executive physical exam at Scripps Health Clinic in California. It's a well-known facility with high end prices which are not quoted here, but these would/could be routine for such an exam. I think that as JD was in her early 50's she might have availed herself of a complete physical and she could have had areas of concern or request counseling about nutrition etc. IMO, and I welcome feedback from medical personnel on the East Coast, but in CA this would be a fairly costly physical.
From: Executive Health Examination – Scripps Health

WholePerson examination testing

• Personal and family medical history review by an internal medicine specialist or family practitioner
• The millennium blood chemistry panel including:
• Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy, comprehensive metabolic panel, complete blood count (CBC), TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test and HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Comprehensive metabolic panel
• Complete blood count (CBC)
• TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) test
• HbA1C (blood sugar)
• Occult blood and urinalysis
• Body fat determination
• Chest X-ray
• Hearing test
• Pulmonary function test
• Full-body skin evaluation by a dermatologist
• One-on-one consultations with members of your examination team with a follow-up discussion with physician and written report after your tests results have been compiled

Heart-specific care

• HDL and LDL levels
• Highly sensitive C-reactive protein
• NMR Lipoprotein testing (advanced cholesterol test)
• Carotid intima medial thickening measurement (ultrasound)
• Central aortic blood pressure
• Treadmill stress test and consultation with physician

Gender-specific testing

• Mammogram (women)
• Prostate specific antigen – PSA (men)

Lifestyle consultations


Your executive health examination also includes a lifestyle assessment to help you improve your health and overall well-being.

• Exercise prescription with an exercise physiologist
• Life quality assessment with a clinical psychologist
• Mind-body connection with a holistic health practitioner
• Nutritional analysis with a registered dietitian
• Revitalizing massage with a licensed massage therapist

So when we're talking about a large bill...before insurance????….may be $14,000 isn't outrageous.

Ooops.

I had not read your comment before commenting with my own tiny list.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Oh, Afitzy, you are too smart to be asking these questions!!! The allure of a charming sociopath is not to be underestimated. Look up "No Contact". I don't like MT but she was under the spell of FD just as Jennifer was. I'm not cutting her slack. I just know how it goes. IME.

Even now?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Ooops.

I had not read your comment before commenting with my own tiny list.

Must go delete my post!

 

[afitzy]

I think he wants the connection, because it appears that law enforcement has ruled out the possibility that MT was involved in the murder itself.

He’s saying “we know she is innocent, so he must be too.”

What logic he’s using to get there, is anyone’s guess.

Adjacent to innocent, is innocent apparently.

Yes, @MassGuy that is what I thought initially but I am now not so convinced that the deal with the State is 'on' or that she has been all that cooperative or is choosing to offer up much to assist the investigation. Her value could be diminishing by the day as a witness and I'm not sure how anyone (even Pattis) can say she is innocent on the tampering/hindering charges.

Taking MT along on the Albany trip seemed odd too and the idea that she would think driving down a street to toss out things into bins over a holiday weekend is something 'normal' has never made any sense. The Fox61 drone footage of MT walking around the rear of 4Jx with LE also didn't seem earth shattering. Yes, we get that going out the back door of your house is always a possibility and maybe this is what FD might have done!

I think Pattis is rolling the dice on MT innocence in a big way. Not that I would be unhappy to see a zero payoff on his bet! States Atty said polygraph never happened which couldn't have pleased Pattis much IMO.

Wonder if Pattis knows anything specifically as to MT guilt/innocence or if like with the polygraph he is fishing?

 

[Myvice]

I'm curious if anyone knows if MT would have HAD to take a polygraph if she was cooperating? Could that be what NP is fishing for?

 

[afitzy]

What? I have an iPhone. Only thing needed is thumbprint or 4 digit passcode sequence.
Now, once text message deleted, according to my research, they cannot be retrieved.
However, if FBI can recall a deleted hard drive, I would think the same would work here. Calling Apple would be an idea.
My cell bills indicate message usage rates and messaged numbers. Not the text message itself.
I presumed LE has tried iCloud or a similar service.
Ask any hacker. ANYTHING can be hacked. Any lock can be picked. NOTHING IS FOOLPROOF.

There is this local mobile phone repair peson that moonlights doing some interesting 'side work' and I asked them what they thought might be taking time with the phones in this case as what we heard in court today about the phones seemed odd to me given that 10 weeks have passed.

This persons tech expertise is way above my paygrade but they wondered if perhaps communication was done via apps and possibly encrypted and the warrants and time required to sort it out might be quite involved. They said that Apple isn't generally helpful to LE (sometimes even with a warrant) but there are a handful of folks in the US that routinely do work for LE and that its expensive and time consuming but that most phones can be totally picked apart but it takes alot of time and patience.

They told me the story of this person that like FD has supervised visitation and monitored phone calls with his son and how this father and son were able to communicate using something as simple as snapcat for nearly 2 years before it could be proven that the app was being used to circumvent the court. Both the father and son somehow hid the snapchat app (have no idea how this works) so even though the STBX suspected something it wasn't until they used other means to uncover the situation that it became clear how the 2 were communicating. They also confirmed how easy it is to place a hidden app on someones phone so that you can track their every movement and every call etc.

Going back to the FD 911 call when JD fled with the children unless he was acting I'm not sure how tech saavy FD is. But we don't know if perhaps MT had tech expertise and so could have set up the phones in such a way to make it a nightmare for LE to pull them all apart.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I'm curious if anyone knows if MT would have HAD to take a polygraph if she was cooperating? Could that be what NP is fishing for?

States Atty said today it didn't happen. I think No Case Norm was baiting Colangelo and the States Atty took the bait. It could have been part of the campaign to take out all alibi outs that the State seems to be working hard to do but I'm not sure he had to give up the polygraph info and frankly I'm not sure how valuable the polygraph would have been. I think the State is picking away at any possible alibi witnesses 1 by 1. We've seen KM exposed and buried and most likely MT will be next if she isn't cooperating. MOO

 

[Myvice]

There is this local mobile phone repair peson that moonlights doing some interesting 'side work' and I asked them what they thought might be taking time with the phones in this case as what we heard in court today about the phones seemed odd to me given that 10 weeks have passed.

This persons tech expertise is way above my paygrade but they wondered if perhaps communication was done via apps and possibly encrypted and the warrants and time required to sort it out might be quite involved. They said that Apple isn't generally helpful to LE (sometimes even with a warrant) but there are a handful of folks in the US that routinely do work for LE and that its expensive and time consuming but that most phones can be totally picked apart but it takes alot of time and patience.

They told me the story of this person that like FD has supervised visitation and monitored phone calls with his son and how this father and son were able to communicate using something as simple as snapcat for nearly 2 years before it could be proven that the app was being used to circumvent the court. They also confirmed how easy it is to place a hidden app on someones phone so that you can track their every movement and every call etc.

Going back to the FD 911 call when JD fled with the children unless he was acting I'm not sure how tech saavy FD is. But we don't know if perhaps MT had tech expertise and so could have set up the phones in such a way to make it a nightmare for LE to pull them all apart.

MOO

He's also had plenty of time to learn about the technology available considering he's constantly testing the boundaries of the law.

 

[CTGrammy]

But in network does not mean the charge is the same. In network could charge $450 or $4500.
Once you meet your deductible and out of pocket expense, insurance will pay 100% no matter where your service is performed. I had an emergency appendectomy where I stayed in the hospital for a week and the charge was only $56,000 for a person with no insurance. In network means nothing. These facilities charge the contractual rate. It varies widely. The surgeon cost less than the anesthesiologist. An MRI at NYU Faculty Practice might cost $4500 but if you go to Lenox Hill Radiology might cost $450. I still feel $14,000 of medical bills is outrageous unless a serious health concern is involved. IMO

My Insurance Company sends me a report every month.

They list each line item and what the doctor/hospital Charges Everyone.

Then, the line item lists the Contracted amount, that is the Insurance Company's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists the amount, that the insurance company will Not pay and notes this amount as the Provider's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists my copay amount or lists the co-insurance amount as the Patient's Responsibility.

Every month, I am still amazed at what the doctor/hospital charges and the much smaller insurance contracted amount.

How do the doctors/hospitals get away with charging uninsured patients the Full Amounts when they are very willing to take much less when a patient has insurance and the doctor/hospital has contracted with that insurance company for much less?

Sorry, I digress.

Without the actual document in question:

We do not know if the $14,000 is Before or After the insurance paid their contracted amount.

We do not know if the Deductible has been applied.

We do not know if the Out of Pocket Maximum has been applied.

IMO, the charges are just that. Charges.

The full charged amount Before any contracted rate, deductible, or out of pocket maximum has been applied.

IMO, the Actual payment amount is much lower than $14,000.

IMO, NP is blowing it up bigger than it really is because $14,000 sounds so unimaginable when in fact the Pay Amount is much lower.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I’ve been thinking that $14000 doesn’t sound like that much especially if it was a bill before insurance paid or without insurance, meaning it was the “full” cost. I just Googled and grabbed the first reputable thing I found:

How Much Does a Blood Test Cost? Maybe $10,000

Genetic tests like to screen for genes related to breast and other heritage cancers (NOT tests once you have breast cancer) are expensive and JD was 50. Routine tests, etc. could cost that before insurance adjustments in my experience. An entire blood chemistry that might be done at 50 as a preventive measure would be expensive. Just a thought.

I don't recall the entire exchange in court today but Pattis when he was talking about the tests mentioned something about a reproductive issue -- it was a throwaway comment tagged on to the end of the discussion -- I simply cannot watch that testimony again, once was enough for me.

Hypothetically, as we don't know anything about the test it just seems logical that if you are doing extensive endocrine and hormone testing it can be hugely expensive. If the victim had undergone IVF for example in the past then there might be long term issues associated with that experience that might require ongoing testing and monitoring. Also, depending on which doctors are used in NYC many don't take insurance and instead require direct payment and the patient submits insurance for reimbursement. Being somewhat familiar with NYC pricing for medical testing the $14,000 didn't seem that out of line for a full work up and hormone testing and adjustment. MOO

 

[Alwaystyping]

Yes, and he was allowed to do so. I was getting brief flashbacks to Judge Ito/OJ at times and it wasn't a good feeling at all. Its early days so will see how much patience Judge has for Pattis antics going forward. MOO

The judge came across as obsequious to NP IMO. Also not fast enough on his feet. NP made a mockery of the courtroom in so many ways and IMO left the judge in the dust. I hope I’m just confusing showmanship with results. But NP was pushing credulity to the limit. Maybe the judge sharpens his thinking more in contemplation mode after session. Not a good feeling at all.

MOO ooo ooo

 

[BellaVita]

I get the charming narcopath or whatever folks are calling FD these days and how MT stupidly seemed to swallow the bait, hook line and sinker.

Yes, she seems like a total idiot to not see through this textbook case of narcissism that if she had been paying attention in her abnormal psych class in college the chica would have run for the hills! Got all this....

I'm not giving MT any points for intelligence and certainly no points for positive life choices, for lack of a better phrase! I get this completely, MT was completely duped probably for her own reasons by the FD narcopath act. I get that but that wasn't really my question.

No, I'm trying to understand why Pattis is tying FD to MT in his dialog still after the no contact was ordered and Bowman won't answer his calls. Today he even talked about taking MT mail to Bowman in hopes that he delivers it to MT. Why? Pattis does fly by the seat of his pants but he has been so consistent in his tying MT and FD together that I wonder what the game is! I know its some version of the crooks on the street that play 3 card monte but even with those guys if you watch them long enough you can figure out where the penny is!

MOO

JD was the ultimate victim. AGAIN, no slack for MT. Pattis is tying MT to FD because he understands the trauma bonds. IMO, MT intellectually knows exactly what has gone down here. MT is trying to reconcile the FD she thought she knew with who he really is. IMO

 

[CTGrammy]

What? I have an iPhone. Only thing needed is thumbprint or 4 digit passcode sequence.
Now, once text message deleted, according to my research, they cannot be retrieved.
However, if FBI can recall a deleted hard drive, I would think the same would work here. Calling Apple would be an idea.
My cell bills indicate message usage rates and messaged numbers. Not the text message itself.
I presumed LE has tried iCloud or a similar service.
Ask any hacker. ANYTHING can be hacked. Any lock can be picked. NOTHING IS FOOLPROOF.

Yes, but without FD's actual thumb and/or his 4 or 6 digit code, the device is almost impenetrable.

I highly doubt FD is going to provide either or both of these to LE.

Example: A few years ago a man and his wife in California, committed a terror attack at the man's place of employment.

For Months LE was trying to access the couple's iPhones, to no avail.

LE was also dealing with the fact that after so many failed attempts to unlock the phones, the phones would shut down and not allow anymore codes to be entered.

Apple insisted they did not have a way to override or bypass the system so that LE could access the devices.

This was taken to court and Apple won.

It is true, that I am still using my iPhone 7, however, my understanding is that even the New versions of the iPhone, are still as impenetrable as the earlier versions. Maybe even more so.

Apple even has a very cute tv commercial, all about the iPhone's privacy and security.

So, it is possible, that this is why LE still needs the phones.

I have no clue if this is the case, just pointing out that it is a possibility.

MOO MOO and MOO

 

[Alwaystyping]

My Insurance Company sends me a report every month.

They list each line item and what the doctor/hospital Charges Everyone.

Then, the line item lists the Contracted amount, that is the Insurance Company's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists the amount, that the insurance company will Not pay and notes this amount as the Provider's Responsibility.

Then, the line item lists my copay amount or lists the co-insurance amount as the Patient's Responsibility.

Every month, I am still amazed at what the doctor/hospital charges and the much smaller insurance contracted amount.

How do the doctors/hospitals get away with charging uninsured patients the Full Amounts when they are very willing to take much less when a patient has insurance and the doctor/hospital has contracted with that insurance company for much less?

Sorry, I digress.

Without the actual document in question:

We do not know if the $14,000 is Before or After the insurance paid their contracted amount.

We do not know if the Deductible has been applied.

We do not know if the Out of Pocket Maximum has been applied.

IMO, the charges are just that. Charges.

The full charged amount Before any contracted rate, deductible, or out of pocket maximum has been applied.

IMO, the Actual payment amount is much lower than $14,000.

IMO, NP is blowing it up bigger than it really is because $14,000 sounds so unimaginable when in fact the Pay Amount is much lower.

MOO

Sadly even if the $14k was all patient responsibility, that’s still blithering peanuts in today’s health insurance universe. $14k is not even an uncommon out-of-pocket cap, even in network. If I were to hang my hat on any version of “she’s guilty, too” I wouldn’t choose what amounts to a relative pittance.

 

[BellaVita]

Even now?

YEP> You have no clue unless you've been through it.

 

[BellaVita]

I don't recall the entire exchange in court today but Pattis when he was talking about the tests mentioned something about a reproductive issue -- it was a throwaway comment tagged on to the end of the discussion -- I simply cannot watch that testimony again, once was enough for me.

Hypothetically, as we don't know anything about the test it just seems logical that if you are doing extensive endocrine and hormone testing it can be hugely expensive. If the victim had undergone IVF for example in the past then there might be long term issues associated with that experience that might require ongoing testing and monitoring. Also, depending on which doctors are used in NYC many don't take insurance and instead require direct payment and the patient submits insurance for reimbursement. Being somewhat familiar with NYC pricing for medical testing the $14,000 didn't seem that out of line for a full work up and hormone testing and adjustment. MOO

I don't think JD was concerned about reproductive testing. MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

Or FD backed everything up from phones to computer, laptop, USB, or whatever other tech equipment was set up. Even a passport.
Math genius is close enough to computer geek. FD backed it up. It’s there somewhere.

Very good.

I did not think of that and I should have, since I back up my iPhone and iPad to my Mac.

MOO.