Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

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This is interesting I think. Was just taking a look at Zillow for 65 Sturbridge in NC. We had a discussion about it a couple of weeks ago and the consensus was it was overpriced still after a nearly $500,000/11% price reduction in July.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/61-Sturbridge-Hill-Rd-New-Canaan-CT-06840/57327003_zpid/?

Its now on the market for $3,999,999

and the
Zestimate®
$2,700,260

Estimated sales range: $2.46M - $3.02M

I think I had ballparked the house at $2.5 million which is in the range of the Zillow estimate. This still is substantially below the list price. There are 3 mortgages on the property (Danbury Savings Bank and 2 private mortgages) and the GF attachment which I believe is presently $500,000. There are also 6 trade liens.

Not sure FO is going to be getting much $ out of this property as I believe it was purchased for $1.5 million in 7/17. Curious what the build cost was for this property to justify the price (not seeing much in terms of interior finishing work to support price IMO).

This project IMO is a bit confusing as its a bit expensive for the neighborhood, incomplete landscaping, and no pool (other houses in neighborhood have pools). Another FO head scratcher project IMO.

MOO
 
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@Chicago54, I was just trying to see which pics you were referring to to check it out as it wasn't something I'd noticed. I think I see what you might be seeing.

Nose from the ft. is what it is and IMO looks like its been broken more than a few times if you focus on the upper to mid bridge area. Alot of surgeons will attempt to narrow the bridge depending on size of nose. The 'ball' of the nose also looks possibly altered or injured over time? IDK but the ft profile doesn't look untouched either by surgery or injury IMO.

But maybe what you are seeing in the change in contour of the nose from the side view. IMO this looks 'done' and its not bad work IMO. Don't recall if FO had a 'hook nose' as if he did that would have been super challenging to adjust IMO. Will have to go further back in time to truly see what was done. It might have been a combo of size reduction and contouring. Check out these pics and see what you think! MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO
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FD wouldn't be the first person to get a cosmetic nose job free by "becoming injured" and getting a deviated septum repaired. I feel certain he knows "people" who could make that happen.

As I'm not in the camp that finds him attractive, I say, "FO, you should have found more talented "people"!"
But I guess there's no procedure to fix dead eyes and a cold heart.
 
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I can't remember the source but there once was a site where photographers could find the going rate for exclusives of famous people. I bet one of you super-sleuthers could find it and perhaps learn what a
FO/HO-photo is worth!

During the Casey Anthony case network policy was not to pay for interviews but they would pay for exclusive photos. That's how George & Cindy and Jose made big bucks.
@MemPat, are you proposing that we fire up the helicopter and patrol the area around the Avon Mariott and 4JX looking for FO/HO? o_O
 
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FD wouldn't be the first person to get a cosmetic nose job free by "becoming injured" and getting a deviated septum repaired. I feel certain he knows "people" who could make that happen.

As I'm not in the camp that finds him attractive, I say, "FO, you should have found more talented "people"!"
But I guess there's no procedure to fix dead eyes and a cold heart.

Here is a FO nose pic from 2013 for those interested:

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I believe FD went from Welles directly to Sturbridge to transfer evidence. As far as the question of who moved JD's Suburban to Waveny, I still think FD would have been adamant about not getting his DNA in JD's Suburban because that would nix his suicide/Gone Girl/employee did it scenarios. My question to LE is this: what fingerprints, if any, were found on the steering wheel of JD's Suburban? Only three choices here: 1. JD's; 2. someone else's; or 3) none/wiped clean. MOO. MOO. And furthermore, MOO.

Great point! Thanks for reminding us of the obvious "no fingerprint" issue. And, MOO, too!
 
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Could he


I think your hypothesis is consistent with the evidence we know and on point. One question remains for me and that is the role of an active accomplice, one who dropped FD off at Jennifer's home and later helped move Jennifer's body. Could FD himself have parked the red truck, with the doctored plates on them at a nearby, secluded location before traveling to Jennifer's home to ambush her? He then walked to JD's home through the woods, once again avoiding security cameras (which, by the way is evidence of premeditation).

I have zero doubt he was waiting for her when she arrived home, and he killed her in the garage. He left evidence there because, despite his belief in his superior planning skills, he did not intend to leave an actual bloody mess there. He must have panicked, because why else would he have so stupidly washed his hands in the kitchen sink? At every step, he was not the mastermind he thought he was, but then, what else is new?

After murdering her, he transported Jennifer's body (which was rolled up in the carpet) in her SUV to that secluded location. There, he placed her in the bed of the truck, still rolled up in the carpet. He then left the "carpet roll", or even her tarped body, in the red truck ,and drove Jennifer's SUV to the park, where he left it as part of his PRE-PLANNED Gone Girl scenario. He then returned through a wooded area to the secluded red truck. His walks in the wood explain the poison ivy rash observed during his arrest, which he cannot deny. In fact, I believe he may have traveled through the woods as a way to avoid being seen more than once, so he could have been exposed to poison ivy more than once. He took affirmative steps to avoid direction by traveling through at least one wooded area, and those steps were planned in advance by him.

Jennifer's body was in the back of the truck, which we know to be true, because why else did FD take the trouble to have the car professionally cleaned before returning it to his employee? This scenario also explains the altered plates. He left put those plates on the truck before he parked it , so that if a witness ever remembered it s/he would remember a bad tag number, thereby preventing LE from connecting that tag/truck to him. I have felt since day one that the red truck's movements on that day are critical as is that poison ivy evidence.

Once Jennifer's car was where it is supposed to be, FD has all the time he needed to begin whatever sick s*** he did to her body in order to dispose of it. We further know whatever that was involved a knife, "lots" of blood (the witness said he saw a large amount of blood on the pillow he saw), garbage bags, a bloody pillow, bloody sponges, mops, stripping JD of at least the bloody shirt he murdered her in and, of course, FD's jaunt to Albany Avenue, accompanied by MT. While LE may not have an actual body (they do not need it to prosecute FD for first degree murder), it has plenty.

The employee from whom FD "borrowed" the truck has already provided pieces of the puzzle IMO. Do not be surprised if he helped load the garbage bags into the truck. The location where that occurred will have significant forensic evidence. IMO the location where those bags were loaded is where FD took Jennifer's body.

What FD, in his arrogance, did not consider, is the speed with which LE would act. Getting that phone at the police station was critical. Despite NP's crudely drafted motion to suppress evidence of the phone's seizure, there is not a judge in this country who would hold that its mere seizure was a violation of the Fourth Amendment. In fact, there is United States Supreme Court precedent which explicitly rejects such claims. LE got a warrant to search that phone (or, as the Court called it "mini-computer") and it was a treasure trove. The actual forensic search of it was from the Marshal's Office, who are the most diligent group of professionals one will every meet. The FEDS were in the case from day one, which is a very, very good thing. It means task force, it means all of the resources of the federal government are helping solve this crime, and it means FD is going to prison for the rest of his life.

I believe FD had at least 2 accomplices - MT and the lawyer who was to provide the false alibi. I wonder if that alibi was concocted before or after the murder, not that it matters for purpose of prosecuting him. IMO, in light of what has now come out about that "sterling" example of the legal profession, NP would absolutely enrage people on the jury if he tried to present the attorney's perjurious testimony to them as some sort of alibi defense. The guy is completely discredited as a witness. Plus, he is already on the hook to be criminally prosecuted as an accessory and a possible co-conspirator to this murder. He will absolutely open himself up to perjury and obstruction of justice charges if he continues on his ruinous path. The last two offenses can be charged a federal felonies and the feds don't play. If have seen 5 year prison sentences for perjury in cases far, far less significant than this one.

So, now it is a matter of how many people did FD pull into this premeditated murder beforehand, and what were their respective roles? Some people are going to be more criminally culpable than others, at least based on what we know now. Some people may not have even known what he was planning before the actual murder and did not knowingly assist him in covering his tracks after the murder, but they still will be able to narrow his location and activities on the day of the murder significantly. Some people may have become involved after the fact, but nonetheless have criminal liability because they were aware of, and assisted FD in disposing evidence of this premeditated murder. IMO all the concocted evidence that FD thought he was so cleverly creating, before and after this horrendous act, will not save him. Tick, tock Mr. Dulos, your time as a free man grows shorter by the minute.

Would love to hear other theories, but I think the posters here are closer to the truth than we know. Does anyone have any ideas about where he might have taken Jennifer's body between the murder and his trip to Hartford? I am so very hopeful LE already has the answer, but am curious as to what other folks here think.

This is so solid, oceancalling! I wish you and afitzy would take the lead detective to lunch and share your thoughts. Take along a couple of those local reporters if you can pry them away from Pattis' possessive paws!
 
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Thank you so much for this information! I am not from CT and my impression before this case would have been of a staid, very peaceful, orderly, and traditional place. I should know better than to make such assumptions as there’s always much more to any place or situation than those outside of it know if we don’t look. I didn’t even know CT had all those lakes! MOO.
....or all that poison ivy!
 
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I think he had to have an accomplice somewhere along the line because the timeline seems to be so tight.

Where he dismembered her remains a mystery to me. I do believe he had a preplanned spot to do it. Initially I thought it would be outside somewhere deep in the woods which would account for his poison ivy. I'm thinking he did this all by his lonesome. I still feel this could be a possibility. I was disheartened when the dogs found nothing on any of his properties but CT has vast areas of woods. Maybe he knew one such secluded spot between NC and Farmington.

My sense is if he had done it in one of his houses he would be arrested by now. No way he could not leave any evidence IMO.

I think he camped out at the Sturbridge house the night before.

And I agree that LE has a ton of evidence including videos and that's why it is taking so long.

Also think that Ms Troconis is in up to her eyeballs.
Hoping your take on her talking proves to be true.

And finally, I believe Norm is frustrated and jumping out of his skin.

Almost forgot. Are you saying the employee was an unwitting accomplice loading up the bags?

MOO.

I'm with you somewhat, city girl! I'm sure I'm not the first to mention this about the chosen spot for dismemberment:

FD, if he indeed preplanned the murder could have completely covered the walls, floor and ceiling of one of the bathrooms in sheets of plastic.

It would be interesting to learn whether he had prohibited any employees from visiting one of the properties around the time of the murder while he was preparing.

Perhaps there was a recent purchase of oversized plastic drop cloths?
Maybe there were countless bits of DNA tainted plastic in the garbage dump?
Maybe there's a missing Sawsall from the FORE inventory? (probably now deep in the water somewhere or buried near some poison ivy!)

With this scenario no assistant would be necessary for heavy lifting. However, I can picture MT standing by, perhaps stunned, but too afraid to protest.

Just more MOO.
 
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Great point! Thanks for reminding us of the obvious "no fingerprint" issue. And, MOO, too!
I really wonder if its possible to get in and drive a car and leave no DNA? I don't think its a mystery why so many cars are burned out after they are stolen or driven into water.

I'm assuming if FD made the statement at the Wed BBQ about not going in the JD house because of leaving DNA that he would not want to be inside the JD Suburban on the 24th but maybe he had been in the vehicle before with the children and/or JD and that would be alibi enough? IDK.

I am curious whose DNA will be found in the JD Suburban at Waveny, how clear the Hartford CCTV is of FD dropping off the Suburban mat on Albany, and whether LE ever found the mat (or its been located and a misinformation leak was made to confuse the Defense?).

Perhaps FD drove the EE Red Truck to Irwin Park and left it there earlier in the morning on the 24th. FD then jogs from Irwin Park to Welles and surprises JD in the garage. He then loads the body in the rug into the back of the the JD Suburban and drives back to Irwin where he loads the body into the EE Red Truck and then drives the JD Suburban to Waveny where he parks it on Lapham Rd. He then jogs from Waveny to Irwin and drives the EE Red Truck back to 80 MS where he does his evil work (in a clean room) in preparation for the planned trip down Albany.

The JD Suburban at Waveny is the piece of this puzzle that I still am fuzzy about due to the DNA issues. Or, was FD DNA not an issue because FD had been in the car previously either with JD and/or JD and the children?

I am also trying to figure out if FD was somehow able to get EE to help him get from Pt A to Pt B in NC on the 24th or to possibly move the JD Suburban thinking that it might have been FD Suburban? The jogging piece of this puzzle seems somewhat improbable but it also might be only way for a single person to accomplish everything using the vehicles that we believe were involved with this crime (JD Suburban/FD Ford Raptor and EE Red Toyota truck.

Would EE know the difference between the FD 2015 Suburban and JD 2017 Suburban if he were asked by FD to drive a Suburban from one location to another? How could FD have manipulated EE to get the EE DNA on the JD Suburban?

Still puzzled. HELP!

MOO
 
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I hope they nail this guy's a** to the wall. Jennifer was murdered weeks ago, imo. I wish they could find her remains, I am not sure that they ever will. I, imo, think the ex is crafty and calculating and managed to dispose of her in a manner that will bear questions as to his or "his not " culpability if her remains are ever located. The thought of him skating over this crime makes me ill. I wish we really knew what LE is doing or figuring with regard to Jennifer's "missing status." So complex....where is she?
 
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I’m stuck on why NP filed the motion, why he said it and when he did.

Why not bring this up when FD was trying to get custody??? Could it be he didn’t want all 5? Too much for FD?

So why bring it up now?? -cuz he’s trying to slice the two oldest off the top. So why? Trust funds? Would he agree to sole legal custody, if he prevailed, but then suddenly see the light of the actual children’s needs and then allow GF to share joint physical custody. Of course he would not really feel anything to acknowledge the children”s needs, he would just need the help.

And if he did get them, sole legal and physical, they’re 13, I bet in his eyes they could fend for themselves-make their own sandwiches, beds, do homework. So win win. Either way.

Or does FD really not want them at all. I keep feeling it’s not about the boys . It’s what Frustrated NP is all about. What NP wants is discovery. Remember back in July when he was saying “let’s go”. I’m ready?? And NP wants the murder charge. Now. He’s been very obvious. All of his ramblings about what his client is suffering through, and no charges have been brought. He wants the clock to start running on that charge too And wouldn’t it be nice if somehow he forced LEs hand and undermined their strategy?

NP could do it by preying on all the ethical and moral judgment of good humane decent people who dedicate their lives to enforcing laws, punishing criminals protecting innocents and providing for some relief to the victims. Hmmm? How could he push their hands-Make them do something to try and protect the children. How to stop this outrageous new motion?? At least delay it? - just arrest FD for murder. It is exactly what NP wants.

I keep trying to keep my mind trained on what these guys want. They both crave all the money they can possibly get from Jennifer's family. That's a given.

FD knows the only way to get rich again is through custody of the children. Ah! That elusive trust fund!

Then there's the fact that he really wants to stay out of jail. How could he not be worried sick about what the children, especially the oldest, can and will tell about him under oath?

We don't know what he said to them or where on the property he went during the party at Jennifer's house but they know! They can tell who was doing the abusing when they all resided together and they know who was bat-poop crazy. He needs to carve them away from GF's herd to protect himself.

Ole Pattis wants the money, for sure, but he also needs a constant fame fix. He's got PR people reporting daily how many times his name is seen in print and he's diggin' it. In the long run it isn't really going to matter to him if FD is in the pokey; he just needs a dramatic story to sell.

He took this case knowing the client was smiling into a camera with blood virtually dripping from his hands and that dramatic "Not guilty!" moment was never going to happen.

Pattis wins, no matter what and FD loses big time. I can sleep at night with that outcome much as I can't stand the Patterer!
 
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Until he took that ride down Albany Ave. And prior to that handing over his phone. Just gotta say the Lord works in mysterious ways. MOO.
Fotis is toast, IMO.
He and MT though saddled with ankle bracelets should enjoy the air they breath.
IMO, they are short timing it.

Sometimes a post just makes you happy.
This is one of those times. Fotis is toast.
 
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I believe FD went from Welles directly to Sturbridge to transfer evidence. As far as the question of who moved JD's Suburban to Waveny, I still think FD would have been adamant about not getting his DNA in JD's Suburban because that would nix his suicide/Gone Girl/employee did it scenarios. My question to LE is this: what fingerprints, if any, were found on the steering wheel of JD's Suburban? Only three choices here: 1. JD's; 2. someone else's; or 3) none/wiped clean. MOO. MOO. And furthermore, MOO.

Or #4. FO wore gloves and did not leave any prints to wipe up.

We know he loves wearing gloves during any 'manual' labor as shown while sweeping around the front door of Sturbridge. I wonder what happened to his second glove? Or, did FO want us to think that he is so cool that he only wears one glove?

EE was working at Sturbridge that Friday and possibly all week. IMO, FO did not want EE to know that FO was in NC that day and definitely did not want EE to know that FO had driven EE's Red Truck that day.

FO's supposed alibi is that he did not leave 4JC or the Farmington Area that day. So, if FO was seen by EE in NC, FO would not have been able to use that supposed alibi.

With the noises at Sturbridge early the next morning, it is possible FO could have been there at that point.

However, that would mean that FO kept Jennifer all day and all night. I really do not see that happening. I don't know where he would have hidden her, that would not have come back to him if she were found early.

Stranger things have happened though.

FO Was stupid enough to hold onto all the evidence for 10+ hours, so as to complete the Set Up of EE with EE's finger prints all over the bags.

Not to mention that FO and HO, both had their cell phones ON during the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' where the State of the Art CCTV Cameras are used.

With the latest tidbit about the carpet/rug/vehicle mat being placed next to or leaning up against a trash bin on Albany by FO, we might can assume that JD may have already been disposed of, by that point.

I would think that FO's first order of business after the 69WL clean up, was to get JD as far away from him as possible.

There may have been a helper for the body removal. GV? Maybe? He may not even have known what was in the container?

This way, FO could actually say that he does not know where JD is.

GV or MT could have helped with the transfer of JD's Suburban to Waveny.

But, then again, I can also see FO doing it all by himself.

But, then why bring HO on the Albany Avenue Date Night?

IF HO knew nothing Before the Murder and Clean Up, then FO taking her on the Date Night, makes her an accomplice, after the fact.

Making her an accomplice was FO's point, I think. FO thought Albany Avenue would make HO keep her mouth shut about what she knew or did not know about anything else and keep her in line with the plan.

All In My Opinion.
 
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DBM-redundant
Jmoose, this made me laugh because "redundant" is our middle name around here as we await the big arrest!
 
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@MemPat, are you proposing that we fire up the helicopter and patrol the area around the Avon Mariott and 4JX looking for FO/HO? o_O
Yes, afitzy, that or a hard-to-spot Ford Raptor with fudged license plates. I have masking tape. I'm in!
 
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This, I wondered about weeks ago here...did he buy plane tickets for the kids and himself, in preparation of such an escape (which luckily went wrong. There will be a record of it somewhere, and obviously will tell LE a story.

I’m thinking he may have had plane tickets for 6-8 people (MT and daughter are an optional extra). That they were for maybe a 10-day dated return (‘just a regular vacation, your honour’). Once there, and once it was established JD was truly missing, he would have an excuse to keep the kids in Greece, with an aunt/cousin.

If plane tickets were involved, the date they were booked would be interesting.

I seem to remember the kids were getting out from school early that day. Was it the last day of the school year?
 
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Mother of missing New Canaan woman Jennifer Farber Dulos responds: I’ll get psychiatric evaluation if estranged husband Fotis Dulos does, too
To be clear, [Gloria] Farber has no objection to the Court ordering her to undergo a psychological evaluation if the Court deems it appropriate, Farber’s lawyer, Anne Dranginis, said in a statement Saturday. “Any such order should be reciprocal such that the defendant should likewise be evaluated, and the costs of the same should be allocated between Mrs. Farber and the defendant.”
Dranginis didn’t respond directly to Rochlin’s allegations, saying only Saturday that his motion is a “distorted, self-serving reference to a private, health-related issue that was resolved many years ago, as the defendant is well aware."

“His effort to not only publicly shame Mrs. Farber, but in essence shame any person that has appropriately addressed a mental health issue, sends a poor message to his children,” Dranginis said.

“It is Mrs. Farber who has competently managed their care since the dreadful events of May 24, 2019 have so negatively affected their lives,” Dranginis wrote. “Most importantly, Mrs. Farber has steadfastly demonstrated her devotion to her grandchildren and competence to provide for them financially, physically and emotionally especially since their mother, whose demise is greatly feared, went missing.”

Dranginis also criticized the tone of the motion.
Instead of filing a straightforward motion for psychological evaluation, as is done in countless dissolution proceedings, the defendant’s motion is intended to be salacious and again demonstrates his capacity for cruelty, inability to abide by Court orders and his efforts to publicly shame Mrs. Farber as he did to his wife in the context of the earlier divorce proceedings,” she said.

This made my entire week! Beautifully done! Go, GF and team! MOO!
 
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IMO there are probably many reasons for this filing and I was curious what a Family Court person like @gitana1 thought might be the motivation of Pattis & Crew.

I think perhaps they are concerned that because of the overall no contact situation that if FD isn't asking for records about the children and does not have access that it might make it easier down the line to terminate his parental rights as the relationship is effectively non existent at present (assuming that no games are being played with online access).

FD is cut off now from the children and IMO this will be virtually impossible to change anytime soon. Also, the Family Court file on FD is such that I would think any appeal to a higher court of the custody decision by Judge Heller will go nowhere. Even if the all charges were dropped tomorrow and no murder charges ever filed, IMO FD would have a long road back in Family Court to access his children.

The 2 oldest will be soon be 14 and under the system in CT can be 'heard' via their attys in Family Court. Perhaps FD thinks that providing atty's to the 2 oldest might gain him access to them which he doesn't have today.

Its all speculation but there is a legal play in the works here but I'm not clear what it is. I do believe strongly that the GF/JD sister play is to terminate FD parental rights and adopt the children in order to keep them out of the hands of the "Greek Family" and FD. The timing of this might depend also on what the psychologists recommend too as the children are processing alot right now between school, new living accomodations, and loss of their beloved mother.

MOO

What did he file? TIA!
 
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Thanks for that! I had forgotten some important info in that article. From it, we know he came in through the open garage door. The reference to the drain, which we discussed a while back, also tells us he (excuse me, but there is no better word) butchered Jennifer's body, perhaps in a shower or other area with water and a drain, thinking his actions would wash away proof of his crime. How wrong he was! FD took her to the residence where the neighbors heard the noises. LE must have had a field day there. Is that also the home where MT was showing LE around and specifically pointing out areas in he back-she must know something about his trail. I believe there was also poison ivy found somewhere in the wooded area of the back. Also, the FBI was involved from the beginning, as was the Marshal's Office. Those agents do not play!

And thank heavens for all these smart, dedicated, professionals! They must roll their eyes as I do mine at the presumption of FD and NP that they are smarter than everyone else. And the continual changing fantasy narratives; it’s like watching ferrets running around—here, there, everywhere. MOO.
 
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This, I wondered about weeks ago here...did he buy plane tickets for the kids and himself, in preparation of such an escape (which luckily went wrong. There will be a record of it somewhere, and obviously will tell LE a story.

I remember his friend had a plane but no idea if it’s the kind that can go to Greece. I’m so clueless on plane abilities! MOO.
 
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