Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

[sds71]

Dulos v. Dulos
Dr Farber responds:

 

[CTGrammy]

oceancalling wrote:
Don't forget. They have lost way too much time off the water skies. They ARE going to be champion water skiers or die tryin'. With FD as their "protector" they may end up just like their mother when they stop obeying him. Gag.

I don't see a problem with the post. I don't think FD needs us to have these thoughts. If anything, it is always better to bring these things to the light of day so people know you are on to them. IMO.

I think they were referring that the children may have access to this forum. At least the 13 year olds, anyway

I can see this scenario doable over the long weekend and the children FO would be long gone.

I also wonder if FO defied court orders and did in fact get passports for the children? I believe he did as IMO he wouldn't let a court order stand in the way of him doing anything. Given the 'system' in Greece I would bet that the 'wheels could be easily greased' and passports obtained at the right price.

Also, Greeks have a long history as master forgers and passports have long been available via Greek master forgers and these passports routinely can pass muster in some of the toughest inspection spots in the world. In an earlier thread I posted an article about one such ring of master passport forgers that were caught and shut down by Interpol in Athens. This ring were able to produce impeccable fake passports.

The one reservation I have is that even if you fly private that I would think that a flight plan would have to be filed in advance for international flight. While in theory it might be possible to land in a location and evade local customs, I seriously question how easy this would be within continental EU territory due to ongoing terrorism issues.

I wonder though if a trip to Argentina or Turkey (boat travel to Greece or local flight) might have been in the cards as perhaps it might be easier to evade or 'deal with' authorities there vs EU airports. Passports are still required for private air travel, what is streamlined is the customs processing time upon landing usually but a passport is still required to enter the country as so far as I know there is no "private plane exception" to passport requirements.

Curious though whether MT and her daughter would be 'invited' along on any journey with the Dulos children and FO? MT daughter would still have been in school and had a 'graduation ceremony' that she might not have wanted to miss even though it appeared the school chose to ask MT herself not to attend.

MOO

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IMO

It is possible that they could have landed in another country, like MT's daughter's father's home.

However, landing on Private Property does not require a passport in any country, since no one will be there to check. And, if the jet were flying below radar, the authorities would not know they are there. Which is how many criminals escape to other countries.

Once there, FO could complete the Passport process for the children, if he did not already have them before leaving.

Since FO would have His passport, it would be simple to apply for the children's, once in Greece. Especially with all the issues going on in Greece. Pay a few extra dollars and you can get what ever you want, done.

Regardless of passports or not, FO would not have taken the children on a Commercial flight. Too risky.

IMO

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Thank you for providing a historical "LAUGH OF THE DAY"! Learned this in history class ages ago and so to see it brought up again was fantastic and resulted in a huge laugh!

Here is the history on the nutmegger going back to the times of Jefferson! Its priceless IMO and 'so so sums up with CT is all about in terms of its govt and judiciary" as zero IMO has changed in 100s of years:

What is a Nutmegger?

Quote from article:
"Another theory is that unscrupulous Yankee peddlers, who sold Connecticut products across the nation, also sold fake, wooden nutmegs to unsuspecting buyers. This is why the term “wooden nutmeg” has come to mean a fraud. In 1833, Thomas Hamilton wrote critically of these entrepreneurial salesmen: “The whole race of Yankee peddlers … are proverbial for dishonesty. These go forth annually in thousands to lie, cog, cheat, swindle, in short, to get possession of their neighbour’s property, in any manner . . .” (Men and Manners in Connecticut)". [BBM]

"An alternative story is that unknowing purchasers were not always aware that the nutmegs had to be grated to produce the powdered spice, not cracked like a walnut. Their inability to crack open the hard seed may have caused them to think they had been cheated and sold useless “wooden” nutmegs".

"Regardless of the origin of the name, the nutmeg is still a well-known symbol of the state, and has appeared on countless Connecticut souvenirs through the years".

MOO

@afitzy - so I am historian and everywhere I have ever lived I have visited the historical society right after arriving to learn about the place I am living. I took my kids to the Connecticut Historical Society and I remember this strange feeling about this place I was now living coming over me as I learned what a Nutmegger was. Foreshadowing I guess. Add to this the chosen abbreviation for the University of Connecticut (UCONN) and I think there is a strange fascination with criminality. MOO.

 

[MDATCA]

It wasn’t the end of the school year; the children still had maybe 2 weeks left after JD disappeared.

It was the friday before memorial day. FO has stolen the entire summer from his children. They should have been having fun being carefree kids. Trips to the beach or park and lazy days of watching cartoons not scared and grieving their mother.

 

[BellaVita]

I think they were referring that the children may have access to this forum. At least the 13 year olds, anyway.

I previously posted that I was remiss in not considering that. HOWEVER, almost anything here is a terrible thing to read. Using the premise that a single comment such as @oceancalling posted would hurt the children (and it would) and needs to be reconsidered, is essentially the same as saying there should be NO discussion at all. It's ALL hurtful. If I were to extrapolate from the original premise, there should be NO public discussion at all. JMO.

 

[oceancalling]

IMO, FD did not involve EE as an [unwitting] accomplice in NC that day, because FD was trying to set up EE as a possible suspect (by using EEs red truck, and EE having the Raptor in NC that day). Thus, FD would not want EE to see FD in NC at all on the 24th. Otherwise, EE would serve as a witness placing FD in NC that day.
Likewise, I don’t think that FD used Sturbridge on the day of JDs disappearance, because EE was there working.
The loud noise there the next morning is certainly suspicious in some way.

IMO, I also do not think a body transfer took place on Lapham Rd where JDs Suburban was found. Other people going running at Waveny park there (I’ve parked there myself) and there would just be too much risk of exposure in loading a 120lb body, even if rolled in a rug or tarp, into the back of a pickup along there. I tend to think the same about Irwin Park but I’m not as familiar with Irwin as Waveny so maybe there are remote untrafficked places there, but FD would be taking a big risk during daylight hours in a public park. This was premeditated so I’m sure he thought through a plan with low risk of exposure.

Far safer in terms of exposure would be to load the body directly at Welles Lane. The position of JDs garage and neighboring houses makes it very unlikely that any camera would be pointing there. It is also possible that FD used the empty lot on the corner of Welles and Frogtown in his plan (at least as entry to the woods, following along the river to JDs backyard) and there is a pullout on Frogtown shortly before Welles where he might have parked the truck. NCCS is on the opposite side of Welles on Frogtown so JD would not have seen the truck there on her way home. From Google maps we know the “red truck EE” worked for Fore long before JD left and parked the red truck in back of 4JC, so JD could have potentially recognized the red pickup if it was somewhere along her way.

Any DNA evidence in the Suburban will obviously be key. I do think that moving the Suburban to Waveny was part of FDs premeditated plan and not a one-off, and I believe that FD is capable of pulling this off on his own, but he could also have involved accomplice(s) either willingly or only partially aware, IMO, given all the sleazy people we know he associates with. IMO the Suburban move was likely done with gloves on to avoid DNA evidence by whoever drove it. I’m not sure he’d need EE DNA to show up on the Suburban, in an “abduction at Waveny” Scenario. IMO the purpose of the Suburban at Waveny was to keep LE fixated on searching for JD in NC and keep them away from FDs properties like 80MS, etc.

This is all MOO and conjecture.

Excellent post. Interesting that all of us believe the movement of that red truck is very critical. He may have hidden Jennifer's body from his EE, but I strongly suspect she ended up at the Sturbridge property. References to those drains and the loud noises make me think something very, very bad happened at there. I would bet on it.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

IMO, FD did not involve EE as an [unwitting] accomplice in NC that day, because FD was trying to set up EE as a possible suspect (by using EEs red truck, and EE having the Raptor in NC that day). Thus, FD would not want EE to see FD in NC at all on the 24th. Otherwise, EE would serve as a witness placing FD in NC that day.
Likewise, I don’t think that FD used Sturbridge on the day of JDs disappearance, because EE was there working.
The loud noise there the next morning is certainly suspicious in some way.

IMO, I also do not think a body transfer took place on Lapham Rd where JDs Suburban was found. Other people going running at Waveny park there (I’ve parked there myself) and there would just be too much risk of exposure in loading a 120lb body, even if rolled in a rug or tarp, into the back of a pickup along there. I tend to think the same about Irwin Park but I’m not as familiar with Irwin as Waveny so maybe there are remote untrafficked places there, but FD would be taking a big risk during daylight hours in a public park. This was premeditated so I’m sure he thought through a plan with low risk of exposure.

Far safer in terms of exposure would be to load the body directly at Welles Lane. The position of JDs garage and neighboring houses makes it very unlikely that any camera would be pointing there. It is also possible that FD used the empty lot on the corner of Welles and Frogtown in his plan (at least as entry to the woods, following along the river to JDs backyard) and there is a pullout on Frogtown shortly before Welles where he might have parked the truck. NCCS is on the opposite side of Welles on Frogtown so JD would not have seen the truck there on her way home. From Google maps we know the “red truck EE” worked for Fore long before JD left and parked the red truck in back of 4JC, so JD could have potentially recognized the red pickup if it was somewhere along her way.

Any DNA evidence in the Suburban will obviously be key. I do think that moving the Suburban to Waveny was part of FDs premeditated plan and not a one-off, and I believe that FD is capable of pulling this off on his own, but he could also have involved accomplice(s) either willingly or only partially aware, IMO, given all the sleazy people we know he associates with. IMO the Suburban move was likely done with gloves on to avoid DNA evidence by whoever drove it. I’m not sure he’d need EE DNA to show up on the Suburban, in an “abduction at Waveny” Scenario. IMO the purpose of the Suburban at Waveny was to keep LE fixated on searching for JD in NC and keep them away from FDs properties like 80MS, etc.

This is all MOO and conjecture.

Agree with just about all of what you say. I do feel after visiting 80MS though, seeing how it is laid out and so isolated, then seeing how close it is to 4JC, I have no doubt this is where he did the deed. As someone suggested he could have set up an entire dismemberment (sorry, no other way to say it) room, complete with plastic covering the walls weeks ahead of time. It also just gave off this somber, ominous, dreadful feeling just looking at it. I felt as if I was on hallowed ground or at a place I shouldn't be. Call it crazy but when I looked at some of the windows it was almost as if I saw JD in them or heard a whisper in the air. Seeing where the garage was on the property and the totally hidden nature of it, I think this is where he hid EE's truck, coming through the woods from 4JC to get it. When he returned from NC, he drove the red truck right into the garage with JD's body inside and closed the door behind him.

 

[CTGrammy]

I previously posted that I was remiss in not considering that. HOWEVER, almost anything here is a terrible thing to read. Using the premise that a single comment such as @oceancalling posted would hurt the children (and it would) and needs to be reconsidered, is essentially the same as saying there should be NO discussion at all. It's ALL hurtful. If I were to extrapolate from the original premise, there should be NO public discussion at all. JMO.

IMO, that is not what the person was saying.

I think we are talking about two different aspects.

I would definitely hope that the children do not read here, but so far, we have been talking about things they already know, and yes, some really bad stuff, but it is all about a Separate person.

Not themselves, personally.

It is one thing thinking/knowing that your father killed your mother.

However, it is a whole new bag of Mental Damage for a child to learn that their father might/would/could kill Them.

I do not think children automatically think of that possibility on their own and some think that maybe, we should not put that possibility out there, to avoid the children reading such information.

IMO

 

[citygirl]

Would it help if we went to the Parking Lot?

 

[afitzy]

Excellent post. Interesting that all of us believe the movement of that red truck is very critical. He may have hidden Jennifer's body from his EE, but I strongly suspect she ended up at the Sturbridge property. References to those drains and the loud noises make me think something very, very bad happened at there. I would bet on it.

The role of Sturbridge has been challenging to figure out based on what we have seen. Good to know that you see some role in it as part of this crime.

I wish we had pictures of the rear of the house at the time the crime was allegedly committed. There is the rear patio in place at the house but its unclear when it went in. At the time of JD missing date the front yard was still in progress in terms of plantings for the foundation and front yard and I believe the front driveway near the front door.

Many people here I think have suggested the use of cement and concrete as possible ways to hide a body/parts in plain sight. Some people I believe thought this might have been what was being done at 80 MS by FD.

With Sturbridge I believe all we know is that the location was initially searched by NCPD/State Police and that the State Crime teams returned to the property twice over a couple of weeks early in the process. There was never any crime scene tape up at the property and virtually anyone could have accessed the property as it wasn't secured or watched over by State Police/NCPD that we have any pictures of in the early days of the case. We also know that the property was released back to FD and that he was viewed by the Channel61 news team with his cousin and also his niece at the property doing clean up. We also know that he and his niece removed items in bags from the property and also placed items from the house into the commercial dumpster that used to be located in the driveway. We also know that a nanny or dog sitter (or both) heard loud noises coming from inside Sturbridge on the early morning following the JD missing date (25th).

Using Sturbridge IMO makes some logical sense in the execution of this crime but its hard to see how it fits in given how LE seems to have treated it.

Here is a picture of the back patio to take a look at as it concerns me:

 

[oceancalling]

Dulos v. Dulos
Dr Farber responds:

Now, that's a motion! Again, succinct, not a single attempt to sensationalize or invoke false sympathies, but absolutely devastating. Without referencing it, the motion brings to mind the story of King Solomon and the two women who claimed a child as their own. The fraud was willing for the child to be cut in half to win her prize. The biological mother threw herself on the king, pleading for him to spare the infant's life. Such is the case here. As so eloquently set forth in this motion, FD cares not at all for the well-being of those children. He cares only for himself.

 

[sleuth66]

Excellent post. Interesting that all of us believe the movement of that red truck is very critical. He may have hidden Jennifer's body from his EE, but I strongly suspect she ended up at the Sturbridge property. References to those drains and the loud noises make me think something very, very bad happened at there. I would bet on it.

What is the reference to the drains at Sturbridge? Early in there was a MSM interview with a former LE not involved in the case, who speculated that LE would be searching everything, and he specifically said “drains” but I don’t recall a reference to Sturbridge. He also had a few details wrong so I discounted him as being any too close to the case.
The first week of June MSM showed photos of LE with a hose down the septic opening at 80MS. That made me think of drains there.
Was there specific reference to drains at Sturbridge?

Also, the loud noises were the morning after the Albany Ave run, so he’d already done something with her body by then given the clothes and blood on Albany Ave, so the noises would had to have been after the fact.

 

[BellaVita]

IMO, that is not what the person was saying.

I think we are talking about two different aspects.

I would definitely hope that the children do not read here, but so far, we have been talking about things they already know, and yes, some really bad stuff, but it is all about a Separate person.

Not themselves, personally.

It is one thing thinking/knowing that your father killed your mother.

However, it is a whole new bag of Mental Damage for a child to learn that their father might/would/could kill Them.

I do not think children automatically think of that possibility on their own and some think that maybe, we should not put that possibility out there, to avoid the children reading such information.

IMO

I respect your thoughts. I just don't happen to think the thought expressed wandered awfully far from anything else that has been said. FWIW, and it's only IMO, LOL, I don't personally see any danger to the kids like with Josh Powell. That is for needy, insecure people. I don't believe for a minute that FD would consider anything of the sort. IMO.

 

[NameisNobody]

Their school had another 3 weeks to go and the early release on the 24th was due to the holiday weekend.

Dr. GF, set the children up with Skype/Video Conferencing from her apartment in Manhattan so as not to have them miss any days.

I Absolutely Agree that FO's plan was to Abscond with the Children, Immediately.

However, FO did not have the children's Passports. For some reason, I remember Dr. GF having them secured in Manhattan. Not sure why I think that, but FO definitely did not have them and he was not allowed, by the Court, to continue with procuring the children's Greek Passports.

This is where the 'Friend's' Private Jet would come in to play.

No Passports needed on a Private Jet and No Flight Plan needs to be filed, either.

There is Always the possibility that FO continued with the Greek Passports. You know, because FO Does Not abide by Court Orders.

I really think FO would have used the Private Jet though, regardless of the Passports. Fewer opportunities to be stopped and he would not need to Purchase Tickets.

FO could drive right up to the Private Jet and the children would be onboard before they even knew what happened. Just another day having fun, flying around in a jet.

Going through Bradley International would have added too much time to the process and the children could have easily texted a friend and/or Dr. GF or the Nanny, that they were about to go on 'Vacation' to Greece.

IMO

Private jet....While it is certainly possible for brains to have access to a corp type jet--Challenger or Gulfstream which are able to fly long distances w/out refueling--- IMO I do not think it was likely. They are ridiculously expensive to own and most find leasing a more afford albeit very expensive alternative.

Assuming the jet was smaller and therefore in need of refueling more frequently, they would have had to fly in horseshoe pattern to get to the promise land--Greece. Up over Canada, Greenland, Iceland then on to Scotland and England and down to Greece----all adding to the complexity of landing in various countries and have to show passports. As a crow flies it is almost 5,000 miles CT-Greece, this horseshoe flight path would have added many more miles.

IMO he wanted to get the kids out of US legally b/c after all ---in his twisted mind he was going to pull off his master plan. Until, well, things just didn't go as planned.

Truth will come to light,
murder cannot be hid long.
The Merchant of Venice (2.2.76-7)



MOO

 

[afitzy]

What is the reference to the drains at Sturbridge? Early in there was a MSM interview with a former LE not involved in the case, who speculated that LE would be searching everything, and he specifically said “drains” but I don’t recall a reference to Sturbridge. He also had a few details wrong so I discounted him as being any too close to the case.
The first week of June MSM showed photos of LE with a hose down the septic opening at 80MS. That made me think of drains there.
Was there specific reference to drains at Sturbridge?

Also, the loud noises were the morning after the Albany Ave run, so he’d already done something with her body by then given the clothes and blood on Albany Ave, so the noises would had to have been after the fact.

I don't believe there have been any references to drains at Sturbridge. People here have looked at the well, septic conduit pipe etc. on the front lawn area. We don't know if LE opened up any of these items to check to see what if anything was inside. You would think that the State Crime people would have gotten samples from the well and septic but we don't know what exactly was done at Sturbridge for the investigation. MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

Would it help if we went to the Parking Lot?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[citygirl]

What is the reference to the drains at Sturbridge? Early in there was a MSM interview with a former LE not involved in the case, who speculated that LE would be searching everything, and he specifically said “drains” but I don’t recall a reference to Sturbridge. He also had a few details wrong so I discounted him as being any too close to the case.
The first week of June MSM showed photos of LE with a hose down the septic opening at 80MS. That made me think of drains there.
Was there specific reference to drains at Sturbridge?

Also, the loud noises were the morning after the Albany Ave run, so he’d already done something with her body by then given the clothes and blood on Albany Ave, so the noises would had to have been after the fact.

It gets very confusing with 80 MS and Sturbridge for me.
I think I am the only one that doesn't think it went down at Sturbridge despite the neighbors hearing loud noises from inside the house. I'm sure they did take out drains looking for evidence but , IMO, if they discovered anything he would he would be in jail. Plus, it went down after the Albany Ave adventure, as you say.
Same goes for the 80 MS house.
It's hard for me to believe he could seal anything off well enough to do what he did. It was gruesome, IMO. I'd like to be more descriptive. Never occurred to me that the children or their friends could be reading here.
MOO.

 

[citygirl]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Yeah. . What was I thinking?

 

[CTGrammy]

Private jet....While it is certainly possible **** for brains to have access to a corp type jet--Challenger or Gulfstream which are able to fly long distances w/out refueling--- IMO I do not think it was likely. They are ridiculously expensive to own and most find leasing a more afford albeit very expensive alternative.

Assuming the jet was smaller and therefore in need of refueling more frequently, they would have had to fly in horseshoe pattern to get to the promise land--Greece. Up over Canada, Greenland, Iceland then on to Scotland and England and down to Greece----all adding to the complexity of landing in various countries and have to show passports. As a crow flies it is almost 5,000 miles CT-Greece, this horseshoe flight path would have added many more miles.

IMO he wanted to get the kids out of US legally b/c after all ---in his twisted mind he was going to pull off his master plan. Until, well, things just didn't go as planned.

Truth will come to light,
murder cannot be hid long.
The Merchant of Venice (2.2.76-7)



MOO

It has been reported here, that FO's friend has a private Jet that is housed nearby at a private airstrip.

A Jet would not need the refueling as a small plane would.

IMO, Legally is not in FO's vocabulary.

The key would be to get the children Out of the country, as quickly as possible and with minimal chance of interception by the authorities.

Once out, there is no Treaty with the US that would send the children back to the US. Criminals yes, but non criminals, no.

MOO

 

[citygirl]

Early article from the Stamford Advocate, June 6 2019.
Talks about the Sturbridge house.
Lots of pics. A few give a good view of the red dumpster. Almost a walk down Memory Lane by now.
Pic 54 shows Rich Rochlin standing with MT, her attorney and the adorable intern. Was this when everyone discussed sending a message to MT?

Jennifer Dulos case: Loud bangs at New Canaan home; Michelle Troconis meets with authorities