Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[squareandrabbet]

What is eerie is it was almost a week later.
EE demanded to get his truck back on 5/24.
When did he acquiesce and give the truck back?
MOO.

Yeah, they have to know this case is unwinnable... right?

I mean, pure and simply, nobody makes any effort to conceal license plates unless there's a sinister reason to conceal license plates. Maybe his defense plans on saying that FD runs a car theft ring??

I was already over the edge with the garbage dumpster tour caught on camera. It's telling that FD thinks his project manager is also gonna go "Oh, OK, nothing to see here"; when FD has just finished saying that he's afraid he'll be done for murder on the basis of a single hair's worth of touch DNA... people have been convicted on far less evidence. MOO. I can legit think of no good reason for someone to ask to switch out the back seats of the car.

 

[littlegreen]

I think MT will eventually be cleared of all charges. I am in the boat, ESPECIALLY after reading the new warrants, that she is undoubtedly a victim of Fotis Dulos and his emotional manipulation. He manipulated her into lying for him, helping him cover up what he did. Seeing the persistence in the story from his employee re: the car seats made that clear to me, because that is how abusive people are. I am sure she spent the days after JD’s disappearance in an absolute tizzy trying to figure out how to remove herself from the immediacy of the crime while also trying to stay alive, as she knew she could be next.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I couldn’t agree more with all you wrote here! It’s surreal at times! MOO!

 

[oceancalling]

I think those license plates were simply an efffort to thwart any license plate readers, while dumbo and MT were dumping evidence.

They had to get rid of them after they were done.

I think he put the altered tag on the red truck so that if a witness did happen to see it somewhere, the witness would give LE the wrong tag number. Doing so would make it far more difficult for LE to trace the vehicle and would make any potential witness recollection about it less credible. Think about what happens when the wrong tag number is called in. LE doesn't know what to look for. IMO, FD thought that without an accurate tag number, the Tacoma could not be properly identified by potential witnesses. As it turns out, his efforts to conceal his crime will now be used to establish premeditation. Isn't that ironic?

 

[oceancalling]

Interesting theory!

In line with your 'loading em up' idea in order to break them, I wonder if the State is simply going to pile on the charges as the mound of evidence grows?

Maybe the State knows there is no body to find and don't yet feel comfortable putting forward the murder charge absent the body? So will do the slow drip of simply adding charges and perhaps in the process motivating MT to stay in line as I'm not convinced she believes she will face any consequences.

But, load up on tampering and hindering or possibly making false statements, kidnapping or manslaughter and the sentencing options start to very much add up to serious time? With her 2 charges right now, I believe each carries 5 years.

MOO

IMO the State wants to have irrefutable evidence of premeditation. A conviction for 2d degree or manslaughter is not enough for the State and for good reason. FD needs to be locked away for life; his children must be protected from this monster. Slow and steady wins the race.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

By the quotes from MT in the AW she appears to be just like FD. That’s why they hit it off . Just look at the quote from her about the blood on the truck ! I think she premeditated it too - may not have been atvthe crime scene but was waiting back at mountain spring to clean up and clearly was in on it. Not buying that she was just a dumb on her phone while riding through Albany ave. She knew JD was in that truck, helped clean up and dump and even write it out on paper

I understand that being questioned over such a matter would be beyond stressful but her responses seemed barely coherent to me. I don’t like MT one bit but I’m not being snarky here. I just wonder if that is the way most people being questioned respond? Do you guys think that was natural for her under this stress or was it perhaps some kind of ruse for her to again give away as little as possible? I’d think stress but she has appeared cool and lighthearted (don’t ask me how!) in court before for such awful charges. MOO.

 

[gitana1]

FD and MT are sociopaths. I really think they believe he will beat this, she will beat this eventually - and they will ride off into the sunset with all of Mr. and Mrs. Farber’s money and JD’s 5 kids.

FD and MT are walking this all the way down the hall. Deny deny deny lie lie lie then say eh it was an accident and think they can beat the rap ...

Ha ha!! Casey Anthony case.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

By the quotes from MT in the AW she appears to be just like FD. That’s why they hit it off . Just look at the quote from her about the blood on the truck ! I think she premeditated it too - may not have been atvthe crime scene but was waiting back at mountain spring to clean up and clearly was in on it. Not buying that she was just a dumb on her phone while riding through Albany ave. She knew JD was in that truck, helped clean up and dump and even write it out on paper

I agree! It defies credulity to assume otherwise in MOO. Even a teenager playing a game on the phone or checking out the latest viral video from the passenger seat could be expected to look up and say, “Hey, why do you keep stopping and opening up other people’s trash cans?” MOO.

 

[gitana1]

IMO the State wants to have irrefutable evidence of premeditation. A conviction for 2d degree or manslaughter is not enough for the State and for good reason. FD needs to be locked away for life; his children must be protected from this monster. Slow and steady wins the race.

I agree.

 

[CTGrammy]

Is there an Arrest Warrant for the second set of tampering charges for MT? I haven’t seen but would love to.

It is Identical to FO’s, just with her info at the top.

 

[oceancalling]

I think MT will eventually be cleared of all charges. I am in the boat, ESPECIALLY after reading the new warrants, that she is undoubtedly a victim of Fotis Dulos and his emotional manipulation. He manipulated her into lying for him, helping him cover up what he did. Seeing the persistence in the story from his employee re: the car seats made that clear to me, because that is how abusive people are. I am sure she spent the days after JD’s disappearance in an absolute tizzy trying to figure out how to remove herself from the immediacy of the crime while also trying to stay alive, as she knew she could be next.

I cannot agree. While she may have experienced FD's anger or even rage and manipulation, she is a grown woman with free will. No one put a gun to her head to make her do all the things she did to, at minimum, to help FD conceal his crime. She could have picked up the phone at any time to ask for help from LE or even her own family.

What I have seen to date does not come close to establishing the affirmative legal defense of duress. As with any affirmative defense the burden will be on MT to convince the jury she is not guilty; the State has no burden to disprove duress. Plus, such defense would require her to testify to the facts giving rise to this defense and IMO the State would tear her to shreds on cross-examination. MOO! MOO!

 

[MemPat]

I think MT will eventually be cleared of all charges. I am in the boat, ESPECIALLY after reading the new warrants, that she is undoubtedly a victim of Fotis Dulos and his emotional manipulation. He manipulated her into lying for him, helping him cover up what he did. Seeing the persistence in the story from his employee re: the car seats made that clear to me, because that is how abusive people are. I am sure she spent the days after JD’s disappearance in an absolute tizzy trying to figure out how to remove herself from the immediacy of the crime while also trying to stay alive, as she knew she could be next.

You may be giving her a bit too much credit and you might be in a very small boat.

Once FD was locked up and she was being questioned by the police she could have immediately told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

She could have led them to the evidence before it was destroyed.

If she was so sure he killed Jennifer that she thought she too was in danger, why not spill it and be free of his locked-up murdering self?

Nah! I think she has way more culpability.....way more.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I think he put the altered tag on the red truck so that if a witness did happen to see it somewhere, the witness would give LE the wrong tag number. Doing so would make it far more difficult for LE to trace the vehicle and would make any potential witness recollection about it less credible. Think about what happens when the wrong tag number is called in. LE doesn't know what to look for. IMO, FD thought that without an accurate tag number, the Tacoma could not be properly identified by potential witnesses. As it turns out, his efforts to conceal his crime will now be used to establish premeditation. Isn't that ironic?

It is indeed ironic—so wonderfully so! We not only had the karma buses but we also had a red Tacoma truck helping bring some justice here—to JD and also that poor (and very smart!) employee of FD’s. The treachery just makes me sick! MOO. Thanks for another illuminating post, Oceancalling!

 

[MassGuy]

I cannot agree. While she may have experienced FD's anger or even rage and manipulation, she is a grown woman with free will. No one put a gun to her head to make her do all the things she did to, at minimum, to help FD conceal his crime. She could have picked up the phone at any time to ask for help from LE or even her own family.

What I have seen to date does not come close to establishing the affirmative legal defense of duress. As with any affirmative defense the burden will be on MT to convince the jury she is not guilty; the State has no burden to disprove duress. Plus, such defense would require her to testify to the facts giving rise to this defense and IMO the State would tear her to shreds on cross-examination. MOO! MOO!

She’s a grown woman with her own free will.

She participated in the coverup of a murder, lied to the people investigating this murder, lied again, lied again, and then told the truth.

In short, I agree.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I cannot agree. While she may have experienced FD's anger or even rage and manipulation, she is a grown woman with free will. No one put a gun to her head to make her do all the things she did to, at minimum, to help FD conceal his crime. She could have picked up the phone at any time to ask for help from LE or even her own family.

What I have seen to date does not come close to establishing the affirmative legal defense of duress. As with any affirmative defense the burden will be on MT to convince the jury she is not guilty; the State has no burden to disprove duress. Plus, such defense would require her to testify to the facts giving rise to this defense and IMO the State would tear her to shreds on cross-examination. MOO! MOO!

Oceancalling, thank you so much for this reply! I was sitting here wondering about these issues! MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Thank you for your fantastic and humorous post! I needed a good lol! I’ve been away for several weeks, also, and am so glad we have such awesome news the day after I returned!

I’ve been racing to catch up and still have a ways to go, including the entire AW to read. But thanks to you all (who I greatly missed!), your posts have given the best parts of the AW.

It’s like LE has been here reading our posts, (with all our theories and speculations) from the beginning and using all our found info to further their investigation!! Or so I’d like to think!!

Like so many others here, I’ve always thought, and posted, from the very beginning that FD arrived at Jennifer’s property from the poison ivy infested D) woods behind her house and then hid, waiting to enter the garage after JD arrived back home.

I’m SO glad Troconis did some talking! SO thankful for all the surveillance cameras. And SO happy that EE took his red truck home & held onto the seats!

Ok.... Back to more catching up!!

MOO

EE has my great admiration for how he handled FD and this situation. I found it so interesting that when he insisted that FD make MT bring his keys back, FD did it! The warrants said that FD was getting mad at EE and we know that FD can be quite bullying (MOO) but EE stood his ground! I’m sure FD gave in since he feared that EE might call the police but EE was a hero in that and, of course, in keeping the seats! I just feel badly for him having his truck used for such a sad and evil purpose. I can’t imagine he’d ever want to drive it again. I don’t even remember; does LE have it now? All MOO.

 

[Tink56]

Ha ha!! Casey Anthony case.

Let's just hope that NP doesn't find a Casey Anthony jury and that the charges a more clearly explained, etc., etc.....YIKES!

 

[peace9274]

Haha, I never thought of that possibility.

But I don't think that sociopaths can co-exist in relationship. They manipulate, and it is not easy to manipulate them.

I just think MT is of low moral character, and of weak character. She has heard nothing but how "horrible" JD was, so this aligned with her interests and she believed it.

Plus I think Jennifer was a huge thorn in Troconis’ side with FD’s drawn out divorce, and finding out about the dwindling of money... money that she thought FD had.

I agree that MT probably isn’t a sociopath, but I do think she often thought about ways to make Jennifer just go away... and ways to get her money!

My guess from the beginning of the case, is that MT found out that FD wasnt as wealthy as she had believed and was threatening to leave FD.

I think that she either came up with the plan to kill Jennifer, get custody of the 5 children and live happily ever after on their trusts... or she made passive/aggressive suggestions and FD put the plans together himself to kill Jennifer.

However and whenever the plans were made, I feel strongly that MT was a part of the plans, either by her threats to leave or by her suggestions.


MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

This just popped into my head. I wonder if NP knew about bus cameras in general? You know how lawyers often don't want to know if client is guilty. Just from my own experience with a lawyer, they will say things sometimes designed to let you know something or even ask a leading question so you can answer their question the way that is beneficial to the client while sort of skirting the complete honesty thing and being an officer of the court and all...I wonder if NP ever said to him..."you know, there are cameras all over, even the buses have them, just sayin" Is there anything I should know about your whereabouts in case it comes up"? Also, the MINUTE they became aware that FD was seen on surveillance getting the mail after the Albany Ave Odyssey, they would have realized no alibi of a 2 hour call to Greece and would have been caught leaving 4JC in the early AM. Would have proved MT was lying also.

No idea; those of you who live there, is it common knowledge that your school buses have cameras like that? Our school buses have cameras but they have a narrow scope, mostly inside the bus, I think. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I agree. We will be glad when FD goes to jail for life for this but the kids will suffer. Criminals create terrible suffering for their kids. Look at the Madoff case, both sons are dead.

Sad.