Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[Chloe_ee]

How about a garrotte - wire from a construction site?

Yes, I think something similar, surprised her her from behind, right around her neck, there would be a small struggle and she is quickly subdued..but yes there would be blood...and clean up...he was there 2 hours..

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

You’ve made some great points for me to think about re how JD was killed and whether MT was involved in planning and how much of an accomplice she was in the actual killing!

However, I disagree re blood spatter. IMO, depending where on the body the knife was used and the movement of the victim, there can be some blood spatter.

Yeah that’s true now that I think about it. I’m sure LE was able to determine which type of spatter was involved. Like I think the high velocity spray pattern is usually form blunt force versus other kinds from stabbing. Anyway I can’t even think about it bc it makes me sick when I think of FD. Such a scrawny punk, hope he gets smacked around a little in the prison yard. MOO.

 

[enelram]

That can be bloody but quick IMO. Plastic bag is cheap, easy and fast IMO. But that bloody pillow allegedly found on Albany had my ears perk up as smothering works too and with upper body strength is totally doable. I still also see blunt force trauma with some kind of tool as being possible with the pillow to hurry the process along and knife was used after the fact. MOO MOO MOO

Anyone else think the knife was mainly used for
dismemberment after another method used to cause death? Without a body, I guess blood
splatter/spray and amount of blood would be only clues on manner of death.. IDK.

 

[Curious in CT]

Just the fact that her first story included the detail that she and FO showered together that morning. Ew. Please. Spare us the mental image.

I see your point but I don't think MT needs to be a rocket scientist to realize or recall that the routine on the 24th wasn't what it was most other days.

Sure she is probably in deep mourning for herself as she vested 3 years in a guy that lied to her and probably promised her the moon, just used her to enrage his STBX and now she is sitting in CT (a place she probably never wanted to be to begin with!) looking at prison time and losing custody of her daughter.

She probably should have immediate counseling as even though her Mom is a former psychologist she doesn't seem to be having an impact here.

I also very much question whether the response to any of this is to simply lie? Any article I've read about lying is that it takes alot of psychological energy to pull off. Obviously MT isn't very good at lying because LE easily figured out the lies.

It seems like the more obvious response from MT would have been to say nothing. But it doesn't appear she did this and instead just kept repeating the comments from the 'alibi notes' as if she were a brainwashed cult member.

Reading through the MT comments in the FD arrest warrant IMO are more than a bit disturbing as she simply seems for lack of a better word "off"?

 

[citygirl]

Isn't it funny when social media posts are memorialized on the internet FOREVER!

The IMO crass and classless remarks from MT will no doubt be reviewed in court in full technicolor.

I'm not sure that only lust can explain MT lying to LE for 2 months or so? My sense is that she believed in her happily ever after with FD and couldn't believe that it was absolutely hollow and a total lie.

Delusion is a funny thing I think and no doubt took MT awhile to process as she had been in this FD cesspit for nearly 3 years.

But I don't think delusion is an excuse for lying to LE and not assisting in an investigation. MT was not legally tied to FD IN ANY WAY as they were not married. MT came with her daughter and a few suitcases and by all accounts didn't even own a car. MT could have left 4Jx at any time and simply placed her daughter in boarding school if she wanted to. Did we see this? Nope. Instead we see MT lying to police about something so basic as following FD to the Russell Speeders car wash in her rented Tahoe or giving a coherent response to her game of 'hide the keys' with EEs truck.

MT IMO behaved like a robot under the control of FD every step of the way in the arrest warrant. From the alibi notes to the drive down Albany Ave to the absolutely unbelievable statement that they never spoke about JD over their 15 min lunch that happened on the 24th and 'oh, PS I don't remember when lunch actually happened but maybe between 12-1:30pm'! Really. It was one white lie after black lie over and over and over again.

How many lies does it take for LE and the State's Atty to simply walk away and cut a witness loose? Curious to see where this goes but my bet is that MT and Atty Bowman might just be flying solo for now absent some bombshell! MOO

Totally agree.
She's a wanderer.
What kind of woman would move into another woman's house after she ran for her life with 5 children?
She knew the children. Her own daughter knew the children.
She actually worked in the office while having her affair!
What kind of mother sets such an example for her young daughter?
She is as selfish as her lover.
When you spoke about English being her second language it jogged my memory. Can't link it because I don't know where I read it. A man said he met her somewhere, maybe at school event? and she came over to introduce herself. He was from South Africa and thought she may have been because her accent was so similar. Thought that was odd at the time but we haven't heard her speak.
And finally, did I dream this? That the daughter is now with her father?
MOO.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Isn't it funny when social media posts are memorialized on the internet FOREVER!

The IMO crass and classless remarks from MT will no doubt be reviewed in court in full technicolor.

I'm not sure that only lust can explain MT lying to LE for 2 months or so? My sense is that she believed in her happily ever after with FD and couldn't believe that it was absolutely hollow and a total lie.

Delusion is a funny thing I think and no doubt took MT awhile to process as she had been in this FD cesspit for nearly 3 years.

But I don't think delusion is an excuse for lying to LE and not assisting in an investigation. MT was not legally tied to FD IN ANY WAY as they were not married. MT came with her daughter and a few suitcases and by all accounts didn't even own a car. MT could have left 4Jx at any time and simply placed her daughter in boarding school if she wanted to. Did we see this? Nope. Instead we see MT lying to police about something so basic as following FD to the Russell Speeders car wash in her rented Tahoe or giving a coherent response to her game of 'hide the keys' with EEs truck.

MT IMO behaved like a robot under the control of FD every step of the way in the arrest warrant. From the alibi notes to the drive down Albany Ave to the absolutely unbelievable statement that they never spoke about JD over their 15 min lunch that happened on the 24th and 'oh, PS I don't remember when lunch actually happened but maybe between 12-1:30pm'! Really. It was one white lie after black lie over and over and over again.

How many lies does it take for LE and the State's Atty to simply walk away and cut a witness loose? Curious to see where this goes but my bet is that MT and Atty Bowman might just be flying solo for now absent some bombshell! MOO

I feel like Mt knows where the body is or how things were disposed of and that LE is trying to get her to a point where she has to give that up. She already admits now to being part of the cleanup and I’m sure FD finally had to tell her what happened and made her help him, so since she was already in on it, why would he not have her help him put JD somewhere? I think she knows and that that will ultimately seal FD’s fate.

 

[Rosiebones]

Anyone else think the knife was mainly used for
dismemberment after another method used to cause death? Without a body, I guess blood
splatter/spray and amount of blood would be only clues on manner of death.. IDK.

I wonder if she initially got away and into the house and she grabbed a knife to protect herself. he hit her, got the knife away from her and dragged her back into the garage.
I don't think he went with a knife as the primary means of killing her. If he did, he is dumber than a stone because of the mess and clean up. I think when his initial attack (strangle and quick get-a-way) fell apart he began a series on huge mistakes.
I know that a knife is considered quite personal as opposed to a gun, say, but looking someone in the face as you strangle them surpasses that in my opinion.

 

[10ofRods]

I’m surprised......
1. It took them so long to look at the project managers car.
2. The project manager waited until they came asking about the car.

Yes he saved the seats. But I have to believe he knew what was going on. Why did he wait until the police went to him with a warrant?! Because he didn’t want to lose his job? A mother of 5 is missing and possibly dead and you don’t say anything to the cops when your boss acts really effing obvious about the seats in your car?

Perhaps the project manager has a low threshold for being scared into silence? We'd like to think we would all come forward in a case like this, but I think one has to really trust LE and perhaps have faith in some supernatural protection to really feel safe for oneself and one's family. FD wears an ankle monitor, right? Perhaps after thinking that over for a while and talking to a detective, the project manager stepped into the light.

If it were me, I'd have to tell my close family members that I was getting involved in pointing the finger at a completely sociopath (that's how I see FD) and they'd need some time to process. There are often kids or other family members that the informant worries about, too. Not everyone is a big risk-taker.

 

[afitzy]

Totally agree.
She's a wanderer.
What kind of woman would move into another woman's house after she ran for her life with 5 children?
She knew the children. Her own daughter knew the children.
She actually worked in the office while having her affair!
What kind of mother sets such an example for her young daughter?
She is as selfish as her lover.
When you spoke about English being her second language it jogged my memory. Can't link it because I don't know where I read it. A man said he met her somewhere, maybe at school event? and she came over to introduce herself. He was from South Africa and thought she may have been because her accent was so similar. Thought that was odd at the time but we haven't heard her speak.
And finally, did I dream this? That the daughter is now with her father?
MOO.

Yes, the entire english accent issue is interesting to hear. I met a Sikh the other day with a very pronounced Scottish accent and it was totally unexpected but was a function of who his teacher was growing up in a remote part of India!

MT daughter is a victim in this case and my hope and prayers is that she is far far away from CT and the entire Troconis/Arrezza clan and surrounded by caring and loving people. MT didn't ask for what she got and had little choice as to what she got. The Baby Daddy can have an impact as I would think that any custody demands would be well received given the fact patterns in MT sorry and sad life over the past 3 years (or her entire life really when you come right down to it).

The sadder part is IMO that MT brought her daughter into a household such as 4Jx and let her live amidst the situation. With a mother who is a former psychologist and as a person with a psychology degree herself, I am not certain which parts of their education they might have missed or perhaps not understood as it relates to the impact on a young child to be exposed to everything that was going on at 4Jx.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Anyone else think the knife was mainly used for
dismemberment after another method used to cause death? Without a body, I guess blood
splatter/spray and amount of blood would be only clues on manner of death.. IDK.

I'm with you on this theory! MOO

 

[citygirl]

Anyone else think the knife was mainly used for
dismemberment after another method used to cause death? Without a body, I guess blood
splatter/spray and amount of blood would be only clues on manner of death.. IDK.

I hate to say this but I think he stabbed her repeatedly.
Maybe he did think he could suffocate her with a pillow but she fought for her life.
JMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Hey 10, Welcome to a fascinating case. I hope you stick around as it's your kind of people here... smart, deep thinking, astute and somewhat educated...haha. Hope you jump in
with us.

Thank you! It's going to take me a while to catch up. Got interested in the blood spatter discussion just above (yes, indeed, there's usually characteristic blood spatter in a knife attack - the kind produced when an object is swung through an arc).

If FD is as stupid as he seems to be, and he killed her by beating her or strangling her or a combination, and then dismembered the body in the garage, he must have been really alarmed by how much blood he had to deal with. And he must have been in a hurry.

I think murderers often underestimate the aftermath of their deed. They plan up until the killing better than they plan the aftermath, thinking that if they have a body disposal method in mind, everything will work out as planned. Sounds like in this case, the body disposal method was extremely convoluted. And tied directly to him.

I keep thinking that the police want his girlfriend to fully turn State's witness or at least tell where the body is. Australia has that new law for reduced sentences if the criminal reveals where the body is, it would have to be a side arrangement in this case (but that girlfriend is looking at major prison time if she doesn't).

Have any officials spoken about the costs of searching dumps (perhaps multiple dumps)?

 

[oviedo]

That can be bloody but quick IMO. Plastic bag is cheap, easy and fast IMO. But that bloody pillow allegedly found on Albany had my ears perk up as smothering works too and with upper body strength is totally doable. I still also see blunt force trauma with some kind of tool as being possible with the pillow to hurry the process along and knife was used after the fact. MOO MOO MOO

Something has to account for the blood everywhere it seems- I still believe it was a blitz attack to her head in the garage - what else he did in that garage may come out in trial or the murder warrant IMO

 

[Rosiebones]

I hate to say this but I think he stabbed her repeatedly.
Maybe he did think he could suffocate her with a pillow but she fought for her life.
JMO.

If he did stab her repeatedly then he and his clothes would have been saturated with her blood. Where would he have cleaned up without leaving trace and where would he have gotten clean clothes if he took a shower at her house.
I don't see him leaving her house all bloody and sticky and driving to Wavenly Park to switch cars. He couldn't have taken the risk of being seen like that all the way back to Farmington. So where did he clean up and where did he get clean clothes?

 

[BellaVita]

The sadder part is IMO that MT brought her daughter into a household such as 4Jx and let her live amidst the situation. With a mother who is a former psychologist and as a person with a psychology degree herself, I am not certain which parts of their education they might have missed or perhaps not understood as it relates to the impact on a young child to be exposed to everything that was going on at 4Jx.
MOO

RSBM:
Many psychologists are incompetent/frauds/Narcs. Just like most anybody can get a law degree, same holds for psychology, IMO. A degree alone means nothing. Book learning means nothing without an internal capacity to process a deeper meaning to what is really going on/being presented. Shallow or amoral people are not going to benefit from such learning or help others either. (Not all shallow people are amoral, just dumb. But I would say all amoral people are shallow). IME.

 

[afitzy]

If he did stab her repeatedly then he and his clothes would have been saturated with her blood. Where would he have cleaned up without leaving trace and where would he have gotten clean clothes if he took a shower at her house.
I don't see him leaving her house all bloody and sticky and driving to Wavenly Park to switch cars. He couldn't have taken the risk of being seen like that all the way back to Farmington. So where did he clean up and where did he get clean clothes?

I wonder if he layered his clothes and simply peeled off the top layer and bagged it and then kept on moving on his trip. I wonder if rain gear such as goretex might shield his underlayer from the blood? A shower would be too risky at Welles IMO. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Something has to account for the blood everywhere it seems- I still believe it was a blitz attack to her head in the garage - what else he did in that garage may come out in trial or the murder warrant IMO

Someone on an earlier thread posted pictures of splatter based on murder weapon and it was interesting to see. If I recall based on the 1st AW most people seemed inclined to go with blunt force trauma. But I do wonder if that pillow wasn't used for smothering vs clean up as some have speculated. Not much to go on at this point unfortunately. MOO

 

[citygirl]

If he did stab her repeatedly then he and his clothes would have been saturated with her blood. Where would he have cleaned up without leaving trace and where would he have gotten clean clothes if he took a shower at her house.
I don't see him leaving her house all bloody and sticky and driving to Wavenly Park to switch cars. He couldn't have taken the risk of being seen like that all the way back to Farmington. So where did he clean up and where did he get clean clothes?

All good questions which I have no answers for!
I think we will learn that there was copious amounts of blood in the garage.
We know that his DNA was mixed with her blood on the kitchen faucet.
Does LE have more than that they have not yet revealed?
IMO this was a passionate rage killing. Up close and personal.

 

[BellaVita]

I wonder if he layered his clothes and simply peeled off the top layer and bagged it and then kept on moving on his trip. I wonder if rain gear such as goretex might shield his underlayer from the blood? A shower would be too risky at Welles IMO. MOO

And why in the heck would he go into the house? I mean, DNA on the faucet, really? Was't there a hose outside somewhere?

 

[afitzy]

Have any officials spoken about the costs of searching dumps (perhaps multiple dumps)?

No specific costs by activity yet for this case but as of a couple weeks ago the overall cost of the investigation was $600,000 and climbing I believe. MOO