Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[HopeForTheBest]

Was that the car with the ski picture and all the kids?

 

[MemPat]

We just don't know. The only reference to a violent assault has been in her garage. I suspect it was a lot in that garage and maybe in her house? LE ain't talkin'.
MOO.

Don't forget the mops, sponges and towels!

 

[CTGrammy]

I love that we both refer to her as "Michi". Lol!!! Moo

I see Michi as a term of endearment.

I will not use it in regards to MT.

 

[MemPat]

Also, 2 seats were switched out. This implies front seats to me as a back seat would be 1 seat. I'm going thru AW to see if it specifies but not seeing that yet. It doesn't make sense to me that JD would be put in the front seat so how would the blood be on front passenger side unless transfer from FD and somebody else driving. Also, FD told EE he was afraid of hair transfer and I don't think that would apply to back seat. IMO.

FD's hair comment = bunk. Worried because he hugged Jennifer and got a hair on him?
I shoved that into the Gimme a Break File!

 

[afitzy]

Troconis lied to police, according to warrant; turns herself in after additional charge

MT in BPT with Atty Bowman walking into Troop G on Friday.

 

[Alathea]

I see Michi as a term of endearment.

I will not use it in regards to MT.

Especially when she uses that as her own nickname (per something I read earlier, but I can't recall where - however, this article mentions the nickname):
Michelle Troconis: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Tink56]

She disappeared may 24th and BEFORE June 14th EE had already talked to LE, voluntarily surrendered his phone to LE and quit the job that was feeding his family.

I agree!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I'm not sure if you meant it this way or not but your post seems very critical of working class people. Yes, I'd say more than 75% of the state can't relate. I have had to do everything you list at one point or another to provide for, take care of, and keep my family together. This isn't an easy place to live. I've actually looked up PG's house and it is much nicer than mine. The fact it's in Simsbury also says he is doing much better than I am.

I’m right with all those things, too. I’m lucky to have a relative who’s a lawyer and know a few, too, but in EE’s place, I’d have been thinking at first because it would be hard to believe your boss would kill his wife AND try to blame you (even if you knew he was a jerk, that’s still another level) and you wouldn’t want to believe it because it’s absurd to most people that someone would do that. I bet most people would try to think of some reasons why it might not be true—to be fair and because he knew FD loved to sue—because they’d want to be sure before accusing someone. I’ve had friends who, even faced with anonymous notes and photos of a significant other being involved with someone else, couldn’t accept it at first or longer. It’s having to suspend your disbelief. I think it’d be almost like going through the stages of grief. Then EE probably started to worry about the safety of his kids and his wife, and it had to be almost paralyzing in MOO. I think that more than the fact that EE isn’t rich is that FD has appeared very rich and willing to push people around with “his” money. And when I think of what you guys have said about things there in CT, I see it even more. In MOO, EE had to accept and then he did act. As far as we know, he didn’t see JD’s body or the act, or what MT did. I personally see a very big difference between EE and MT. Could other evidence change things? Yes, but LE seems clear on it as in the AW. They verified his story and it seemingly held up unlike MT’s. MOO.

 

[BellaVita]

IF EE was trying to Hide the truck seats, he never would have Offered them to LE.

LE showed up to get EE's Red Truck and EE says, by the way, here are the seats that were actually in the truck on May 24th, just in case you need them, also.

Those particular seats were not specifically in LE's search warrant for the red truck. EE could have kept his mouth shut and disposed of the seats when FO Demanded that he do that, but EE did not.

EE knew absolutely Nothing about the crime before, during or after.

The Only thing EE knew, was that his employer was acting just a little more stupid than usual by Washing EE's Truck and Demanding that the seats be changed.

Exactly what other aspect did EE Know?

Just because JF was missing, does not mean that EE knew anything about anything.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE at 4JC on May 29.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE on June 2 and it was during that interview, EE told them that FO had access to EE's red truck during the work week.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE at his own residence on June 6 when LE arrived with a warrant for the red truck and EE Offered the old seats to LE.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE when they asked him to come by their offices for an interview on July 12.

It was NOT like EE 'finally decided' to take a joy ride and oh let me stop by and tell LE the truth, like MT thinks she is doing.

LE asked EE to come by for an interview and he did so willingly.

EE answered Every Single Question by LE, Honestly and Without Reserve.

Did MT do that? Did FO do that?

Did EE assist FD in the disposal of Mounds of Evidence on the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' on Albany Road in the Hartford Area, or was that MT?

Did EE assist FD with clean up, or was that MT?

Did EE assist by bringing FO trash bags to 80MS or was that MT?

Did EE take off with keys to prevent someone from taking their own vehicle or was that MT?

Did EE refuse to be interviewed by LE, or was that FO?

Did EE lie during LE interviews, or was that MT?

Did EE provide FO with a false alibi for that Friday morning, or was that MT?

Did EE murder JF or was that FO?

So, EE was supposed to be a psychic and determine that FO murdered JF just because FO was acting a little more stupid than usual, about an employee's red truck?

We may even have to take into account and have some insight into why some people from the Old Country, may not approach LE on their own.

I was raised by my loving stepfather from Eastern Europe. He was born in 1923 and lived through WWII and the Communist Occupation. He and a brother with his family were able to eventually escape, but their sister and her family did not make it. A few years back, we learned that their sister and her family were accused of aiding and abetting the family's escape and they were never seen again. I am fortunate that my stepfather and his brother died before knowing that information.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust the Authorities. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust their neighbors or even members of their own family. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER go to the Authorities about anyone or anything. EVER.

No matter how small the information was, Anyone reporting to the Authorities in these Eastern European Countries, would be dead within hours by either the person they reported on or by the Authorities.

I am not saying that EE was under this line of thought because of his recent ancestry, but What Exactly was EE supposed to approach the Authorities and tell them, about FO Before June 2?

During the June 2 interview, just 9 days after JF goes missing, EE told LE that he leaves his red truck at 4JC each week and this info opened the case wide up.

9 Days, Not 2 Months later.

Do we now need to blame LE for taking an additional 4 days before seizing EE's red truck? I wonder what took them so long? hhhmmm?

WELL DONE EE is all I can say.

IMO and MOO MOO MOO until the cows come home.

I think LE fell down on the job with the search warrants for the Toyota in 2 ways:
1. If they didn't know on 5/31 that FD drove it often, they definitely knew on 6/2. Why no search warrant until 6/6 or request made to EE on the spot for permission to search?
2. LE had been made aware of the seat issue on 5/31. Why was that not in the search warrant? That seems like a grave error to me.
So yes, I do wonder what took so long. It's odd.

I do not think EE had any prior knowledge or participation after the fact in this crime. However to characterize his thinking as "his employer was acting just a little more stupid than usual by Washing EE's Truck and Demanding that the seats be changed" is the same as saying EE is not very bright.

You asked "So, EE was supposed to be a psychic and determine that FO murdered JF just because FO was acting a little more stupid than usual, about an employee's red truck"?

Answer: I don't think anyone has to be a psychic to figure out what happened. And EE would have been way ahead of the people here at WS.

You asked "What Exactly was EE supposed to approach the Authorities and tell them, about FO Before June 2?"

Answer: It's not that hard. LE asked for tips. As soon as the washing of the truck, the seat swapping talk, the grilling of EE about his day on the 24th, the odd key issue at MS, that's what could have been told to LE. And he was still leaving the truck at 4JC. If FD hadn't been so lazy, he might have swapped out the seats himself. So yes, evidence was in jeopardy.

I think the Never Trust the Authorities thing is most likely overblown here, IMO. He went to the station on 6/2 without a lawyer, AFAIK.

I have NEVER stated any comparison of EE to MT or FD and I don't believe there is ANY equivalency. I do believe he has told the truth. FD and MT managed to get themselves arrested the first time without his help and I do feel he is overall decent person but do I have to agree with every single thing and the timing of it in order to believe that? All is well that ends well but if MY loved one was missing, I would expect EE to come forward immediately with his information. On 5/30 it was already reported in the media that blood was found and LE was investigating the case as a homicide. IMO.

 

[MemPat]

IF EE was trying to Hide the truck seats, he never would have Offered them to LE.

LE showed up to get EE's Red Truck and EE says, by the way, here are the seats that were actually in the truck on May 24th, just in case you need them, also.

Those particular seats were not specifically in LE's search warrant for the red truck. EE could have kept his mouth shut and disposed of the seats when FO Demanded that he do that, but EE did not.

EE knew absolutely Nothing about the crime before, during or after.

The Only thing EE knew, was that his employer was acting just a little more stupid than usual by Washing EE's Truck and Demanding that the seats be changed.

Exactly what other aspect did EE Know?

Just because JF was missing, does not mean that EE knew anything about anything.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE at 4JC on May 29.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE on June 2 and it was during that interview, EE told them that FO had access to EE's red truck during the work week.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE at his own residence on June 6 when LE arrived with a warrant for the red truck and EE Offered the old seats to LE.

EE talked Willingly and Openly with LE when they asked him to come by their offices for an interview on July 12.

It was NOT like EE 'finally decided' to take a joy ride and oh let me stop by and tell LE the truth, like MT thinks she is doing.

LE asked EE to come by for an interview and he did so willingly.

EE answered Every Single Question by LE, Honestly and Without Reserve.

Did MT do that? Did FO do that?

Did EE assist FD in the disposal of Mounds of Evidence on the 'Trash Bin Odyssey of Stupidity Date Night' on Albany Road in the Hartford Area, or was that MT?

Did EE assist FD with clean up, or was that MT?

Did EE assist by bringing FO trash bags to 80MS or was that MT?

Did EE take off with keys to prevent someone from taking their own vehicle or was that MT?

Did EE refuse to be interviewed by LE, or was that FO?

Did EE lie during LE interviews, or was that MT?

Did EE provide FO with a false alibi for that Friday morning, or was that MT?

Did EE murder JF or was that FO?

So, EE was supposed to be a psychic and determine that FO murdered JF just because FO was acting a little more stupid than usual, about an employee's red truck?

We may even have to take into account and have some insight into why some people from the Old Country, may not approach LE on their own.

I was raised by my loving stepfather from Eastern Europe. He was born in 1923 and lived through WWII and the Communist Occupation. He and a brother with his family were able to eventually escape, but their sister and her family did not make it. A few years back, we learned that their sister and her family were accused of aiding and abetting the family's escape and they were never seen again. I am fortunate that my stepfather and his brother died before knowing that information.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust the Authorities. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER Trust their neighbors or even members of their own family. EVER.

Every Single Person in those countries Knew to NEVER go to the Authorities about anyone or anything. EVER.

No matter how small the information was, Anyone reporting to the Authorities in these Eastern European Countries, would be dead within hours by either the person they reported on or by the Authorities.

I am not saying that EE was under this line of thought because of his recent ancestry, but What Exactly was EE supposed to approach the Authorities and tell them, about FO Before June 2?

During the June 2 interview, just 9 days after JF goes missing, EE told LE that he leaves his red truck at 4JC each week and this info opened the case wide up.

9 Days, Not 2 Months later.

Do we now need to blame LE for taking an additional 4 days before seizing EE's red truck? I wonder what took them so long? hhhmmm?

WELL DONE EE is all I can say.

IMO and MOO MOO MOO until the cows come home.

CTGrammy, I recommend you for the prosecution team! You'll represent WS well.

If Pattis decides to drop the "Gone Girl" story and go with "The Handyman Did It", you've just written the DA's closing argument.

Excellent work!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Troconis lied to police, according to warrant; turns herself in after additional charge

MT in BPT with Atty Bowman walking into Troop G on Friday.

I have a quick question. Right before the second AW was released, @sds71 posted some new court records that had just become available. I was thinking one of them was a ruling denying FD's emergency motion to get custody or some such thing. I can't find anything about it because it didn't get discussed with all the breaking news.

Does anyone else remember this or was I dreaming?

I think it was about GF not being allowed to increase lien or something related to that. But I may be wrong. MOO.

 

[Alathea]

TY @afitzy. No big deal. I just can't get it off my mind because the custody is such a big deal for me.

Sorry to rudely interrupt the stream of the thread. Very kind of you to try.

@Myvice: Your Q about custody reminded me of something that I would also hope/assume the lawyers are bringing up:

What loving father would push so hard to disrupt his children's lives, when their mother is (supposedly, according to him) "missing"? Why would he constantly try to impoverish the person who gives them a home, keeps them safe, when he himself claims he has no money?

All of his court actions regarding the children just prove how abusive and controlling he is, and how little regard he has for the children's well being. A normal father would miss them, but not try to uproot them at such a time.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Plus, EE wasn't a conspirator. MT was. FD tried to draw EE in, and make him *unwittingly* responsible. It's also not like he offered any quid pro quo (i.e., "you do this for me and I'll give you a promotion/raise"). FD tried to trick EE. EE had to work out on his own that this was suspicious behavior that made no sense; and he also refused to take some random car "in trade", and insisted upon getting the keys returned from MT. As far as EE knows, the boss is a little vain, a little lazy, and a little nutty; but even being inured to FD and his odd ways, EE eventually broke and asserted himself.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Is there a way I can search @sds71 past posts? Some sluether I am lol!

Yes! That’s what I did last night to find the car info. Go to search. Choose search for member. Put that tag in. BUT the tricky part is choosing forums. Choose the JD to narrow it down. I can look for you if you like.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Thanks for disagreeing agreeably, city girl!
Here's what I struggle with: Why would MT visit Bowman's office before she was ever charged with anything?
I can't wrap my mind around making that appointment.

If you're pure as the driven snow and no one has been accused of a crime, how does a conversation with a defense attorney go?

Somebody help me here!

If I had been around someone a lot who was being looked at related to killing someone, I would ask my attorney as a heads up if there was any way I’d get dragged into it even though I had nothing to do with it because anything is possible in this world. This does NOT mean that I think MT was innocent. MOO.

 

[MemPat]

Thank you for this. BUT,

I believe that for copyright reasons no more than 10% of an article can be posted on WS. The MSM direct link for copyrighted material also is required or a Mod will delete the post. Wasn't sure if you were aware of these rules but for more details just go to TOS on the main homepage, just wanted to make sure your post isn't removed.

I believe the CT State of Police Spokesperson in his statement on Friday regarding the case alluded to the issue of 'double jeopardy' as part of his prepared remarks but mentioned it in the context of the State's preparation of their case against FD and MT. A statement from the CT State of Police Spokesperson is considered an 'official' source by WS based on my understanding of TOS, but conversations overheard at a casual event with local police is not. This is my interpretation only so if you have questions about what can and cannot be included here on WS its always a good idea to send a message to a Mod to double check.

I've reported this to a Mod as we all want to be sure we're following the rules.
Don't want WS to commit copyright violations, that being against the LAW and all.

 

[spaz1959]

On the drugs issue, if any. I've been looking for any/all possible explanations as to why MT cannot seem to answer questions in full sentences in a way that is coherent? I think if you simply removed all her comments from the AW and placed them by themselves on a piece of paper and then read them that they would appear to be the work of someone who was impaired IMO. Not sure what is going on with her at all. If she needs help then I hope she gets it as I'm not sure how LE could work with someone that is responding to basic questions like MT is IMO. If the issue is that she is not confident dealing in English then by all means bring in the translators for the Spanish.

Given her mothers extensive history at experiencing federal charges there shouldn't be any excuse such as that MT doesn't understand what is going on around her in this case. IDK. Perhaps she is simply dim and cannot see beyond her day to day experiences and is incapable of seeing anything wrong with FD? IDK.

Just trying to put the puzzle pieces together and truly hit the wall when reading the MT responses in the AW.

MOO

I've honestly felt all my life that men don't/cannot read woman, the way a woman does. MT is stupid as a fox. " Though I'm a citizen of US, I raised out of this country. So perhaps my English is not so good. I have trouble answering these difficult questions. I did nothing wrong I tell them". Oh brother.....

 

[spaz1959]

If MT has claimed she can't understand English wouldn't they have had interpreters at her hearings?

Well, no wonder no houses sold if she was doing the selling! Ha

 

[MemPat]

I was talking to some New Canaan police tonight about the case at a local event, of course they can't divulge any specifics on the investigation, just to say there is more evidence yet to be released, and something about "double jeopardy", not that that seems relevant to me here.

Also a local article quoted criminal lawyers:

One attorney not connected to the case says the prosecution is sending a clear message to Fotis Dulos and his defense team.

“They are putting Fotis Dulos on notice that ‘we’re not messing around and we’re coming after you,’ ” New Canaan defense attorney Matthew Maddox said.


Fotis Dulos’ defense attorney, Norm Pattis, is known for his flamboyant style and has routinely sparred with the prosecution and drawn criticism for his theories about the disappearance.

State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo has called for a gag order in an effort to control Pattis’ comments and to avoid the case from further becoming a “media sideshow.”

As news spread of Fotis Dulos’ latest arrest on Wednesday, the media flocked to the Bridgeport state police barracks where he and his attorney addressed reporters upon being released.

“It was quite a production,” Maddox said. “It was very deliberate and spawned by the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and his attorney.”


Urso said the state appears to be making a pretty convincing case.

“It looks as though this could form the basis of a murder warrant against Fotis Dulos,” Urso said. “A strong case could be made that there is enough circumstantial evidence to charge Fotis with murder.”

Former worker and his truck

Some of that evidence was provided by Urso’s client, Pawel Gumienny, a former project manager for Fotis Dulos’ company, Fore Group.

Gumienny usually left his red 2001 Toyota Tacoma pickup at Fotis Dulos’ Farmington home during the week while using his employer’s vehicle to drive to New Canaan to work on one of the company’s homes.

According to the lastest arrest warrants, police traced Gumienny’s pickup truck to and from New Canaan on the morning Jennifer Dulos vanished.

The arrest warrant stated Gumienny was ruled out as a suspect, and police believe Fotis Dulos used the vehicle in connection with his wife’s disappearance.

Urso said his client has fully cooperated with the investigation.

“He’s very upset that Fotis dragged him into this mess,” Urso said. “He quit when Fotis was arrested.”

Still images from surveillance video footage taken from highways between Farmington and New Canaan and from local school bus cameras were included in the arrest warrants that show the pickup truck, but do not reveal the driver.

But police said they “believe” Fotis Dulos parked the pickup truck on Lapham Road near where his estranged wife’s Chevrolet Suburban was later found abandoned. According to the warrant, Fotis Dulos was “lying in wait” at Jennifer Dulos’ home until she returned from dropping off their children at school.

“The crime and cleanup are believed to have occurred between 8:05 and 10:25 a.m,” according to the warrant.

Police also said “Dulos is believed” to be driving Jennifer Dulos’ Suburban — with his wife’s body inside — when it was captured on a neighbor’s security camera leaving her Welles Lane home at 10:25 a.m. that day, the warrant said.

However, there is an unexplained gap in the police timeline.

The Suburban is pictured leaving Jennifer Dulos’ home at 10:25 a.m., and the Tacoma is seen passing the New Canaan rest stop on the Merritt Parkway at 11:12 a.m. The distance between the two locations is about 10 minutes plus the time it would have taken to switch vehicles at Lapham Road.

“I hate it when law enforcement says ‘we believe,’ ” Maddox said. “That’s useless; we want to know the facts. Here it sounds like the facts because it’s surrounded by facts. They have an unfair advantage. This is a public document. It’s sensationalizing what they have.”

The initial charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution stemmed from Hartford video surveillance that police said showed two people resembling Fotis Dulos and Troconis making a series of stops along a 4-mile stretch of Albany Avenue the night of the disappearance.

The video showed Fotis Dulos tossing bags that were later determined to contain his wife’s blood and clothing, the warrant said.

The recent charges are related to Fotis Dulos and Troconis cleaning the Tacoma, according to the warrant.

Troconis told investigators she helped Fotis Dulos clean what he called “spilled coffee” out of Gumienny’s truck at Fore Group’s Mountain Spring Road property in Farmington the afternoon of the disappearance, the warrant said.

“Troconis told investigators at one point (Fotis) Dulos handed her a stained towel he had been using to clean the truck and told her to place it into a plastic garbage bag,” the warrant said. When questioned about the towel, Troconis claimed she could not remember the color of the stain, but admitted the towel “did not smell like coffee,” the warrant said.

According to the warrant, Fotis Dulos tried to keep the Tacoma by repeatedly offering Gumienny to take his Ford Raptor for the weekend. After Gumienny refused, Fotis Dulos eventually took the Tacoma for a car wash and interior detail five days after the disappearance without his employee’s knowledge, the warrant said.

Even after the truck was washed, the warrant said Fotis Dulos continued to pressure Gumienny to remove the seats and offered to swap them with ones from his Porsche. Out of fear of losing his job and to get Fotis Dulos “off my back,” Gumienny told investigators he switched the seats but kept the old ones even though his boss instructed him to get rid of them, the warrant said.

On June 6, five days after Fotis Dulos and Troconis were originally arrested, Gumienny turned over to police the seats he had removed from the Tacoma, the warrant said. Tests revealed Jennifer Dulos’ blood was found on one of them, the warrant said.

Enough evidence for murder charge?

Police had the information about the apparent attempts to clean the pickup by early August, but the arrest warrant was not obtained until Tuesday — 10 days before Judge John Blawie is expected to consider Pattis’ request to dismiss the original charges.

Maddox said the new warrant could be an attempt to get the police narrative about the investigation out to the public. He concedes it reads like a murder warrant, but without the homicide charge.

“Why deliver this warrant now?” Maddox said. “I can’t think of a procedural reason for doing it. My guess is that the state is waiting for more forensic evidence before they charge him with murder. In the interim, with so many people clamoring for information, they wanted to put their side out there.”

John “Bob” Gulash, a Bridgeport criminal defense attorney who has represented clients in several high-profile cases, declined to speak specifically about the Dulos case, but said it’s not uncommon for police and prosecutors in general to wait as they gather more information before filing a murder charge.

“Speaking in general terms in situations where, for a number of reasons, the police or state felt comfortable that there was not a risk of flight or the chance the suspect was a danger to the community, there is no need to act at any particular pace,” Gulash said.

And he said unlike other felonies, which have a five-year statute of limitations, there is no ticking clock on a murder charge.

“The be all and end all for a prosecutor is not whether he or she is confident of establishing probable cause, but whether or not they have reason to believe further investigation might provide additional evidence to make a more compelling case capable of proof beyond a reasonable doubt in an ultimate prosecution,” Gulash said.
Legal expert: Prosecution telling Fotis Dulos ‘we’re coming after you’

There is still a gap in their timeline between around 1030 when the Suburban left Welles Lane and the murder scene and after 11 am when the FD truck was videod on the Merritt, right?

I've reported this to a Mod as we all want to be sure we're following the rules.
Don't want WS to commit copyright violations, that being against the LAW and all.

 

[afitzy]

@thekirbyfamily. Good questions. Think we have a picture of FD Suburban someplace. Have not seen any mention of a Escalade. Interesting though that Mamma MT got into a shiny white SUV after the last MT arrest appearance. I will work on this and get back to you!

@thekirbyfamily Have to get better of keeping videos and photos, sorry. There was a group of reporters following MT at last arrest event and much better picture than this but I cannot find it. Not sure what kind of vehicle this SUV is but its what MT/Mamma MT got into after BPT appearance. Will post picture of FD license plate from vehicle when I locate it. Here is best pic I have of the white SUV from MT appearance in BPT. Sorry its not better. Will keep looking.

EDIT: Looks to be a Nissan of some sort with GA Plates.