Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[MemPat]

I’m right with all those things, too. I’m lucky to have a relative who’s a lawyer and know a few, too, but in EE’s place, I’d have been thinking at first because it would be hard to believe your boss would kill his wife AND try to blame you (even if you knew he was a jerk, that’s still another level) and you wouldn’t want to believe it because it’s absurd to most people that someone would do that. I bet most people would try to think of some reasons why it might not be true—to be fair and because he knew FD loved to sue—because they’d want to be sure before accusing someone. I’ve had friends who, even faced with anonymous notes and photos of a significant other being involved with someone else, couldn’t accept it at first or longer. It’s having to suspend your disbelief. I think it’d be almost like going through the stages of grief. Then EE probably started to worry about the safety of his kids and his wife, and it had to be almost paralyzing in MOO. I think that more than the fact that EE isn’t rich is that FD has appeared very rich and willing to push people around with “his” money. And when I think of what you guys have said about things there in CT, I see it even more. In MOO, EE had to accept and then he did act. As far as we know, he didn’t see JD’s body or the act, or what MT did. I personally see a very big difference between EE and MT. Could other evidence change things? Yes, but LE seems clear on it as in the AW. They verified his story and it seemingly held up unlike MT’s. MOO.

Exactly! And MT is walking around with an electronic ankle bracelet while out on $500,000 and $100,000 bond.

Hopefully, EE has found a job with a legit builder by now.

 

[MemPat]

Well, no wonder no houses sold if she was doing the selling! Ha

Good point.

 

[afitzy]

I think it was about GF not being allowed to increase lien or something related to that. But I may be wrong. MOO.

The GF case issue was in civil court and yes she was denied the ability to raise the attachment in the case from its present level of $500,000 to the level of $3,000,000 I believe.

 

[Chessman]

I've reported this to a Mod as we all want to be sure we're following the rules.
Don't want WS to commit copyright violations, that being against the LAW and all.

When it was brought to my attention I did try to edit it down to the 10% but the system was not showing the post to do so. I did give the link.

Copyrights are usually directed at commercial interests rather than educational use.
Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors

 

[MemPat]

Plus, EE wasn't a conspirator. MT was. FD tried to draw EE in, and make him *unwittingly* responsible. It's also not like he offered any quid pro quo (i.e., "you do this for me and I'll give you a promotion/raise"). FD tried to trick EE. EE had to work out on his own that this was suspicious behavior that made no sense; and he also refused to take some random car "in trade", and insisted upon getting the keys returned from MT. As far as EE knows, the boss is a little vain, a little lazy, and a little nutty; but even being inured to FD and his odd ways, EE eventually broke and asserted himself.

Excellent concise assessment of EE's situation.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Have to get better of keeping videos and photos, sorry. There was a group of reporters following MT at last arrest event and much better picture than this but I cannot find it. Not sure what kind of vehicle this SUV is but its what MT/Mamma MT got into after BPT appearance. Will post picture of FD license plate from vehicle when I locate it. Here is best pic I have of the white SUV from MT appearance in BPT. Sorry its not better. Will keep looking.

EDIT: Looks to be a Nissan of some sort with GA Plates.

I found the warrant listing the 2007 Suburban actual tag and doctored:

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e9-9ba0-f76720b4a166/5cf560b0dd90b.pdf.pdf

 

[afitzy]

I’m right with all those things, too. I’m lucky to have a relative who’s a lawyer and know a few, too, but in EE’s place, I’d have been thinking at first because it would be hard to believe your boss would kill his wife AND try to blame you (even if you knew he was a jerk, that’s still another level) and you wouldn’t want to believe it because it’s absurd to most people that someone would do that. I bet most people would try to think of some reasons why it might not be true—to be fair and because he knew FD loved to sue—because they’d want to be sure before accusing someone. I’ve had friends who, even faced with anonymous notes and photos of a significant other being involved with someone else, couldn’t accept it at first or longer. It’s having to suspend your disbelief. I think it’d be almost like going through the stages of grief. Then EE probably started to worry about the safety of his kids and his wife, and it had to be almost paralyzing in MOO. I think that more than the fact that EE isn’t rich is that FD has appeared very rich and willing to push people around with “his” money. And when I think of what you guys have said about things there in CT, I see it even more. In MOO, EE had to accept and then he did act. As far as we know, he didn’t see JD’s body or the act, or what MT did. I personally see a very big difference between EE and MT. Could other evidence change things? Yes, but LE seems clear on it as in the AW. They verified his story and it seemingly held up unlike MT’s. MOO.

Yes, so well said.

Simple things like the telling the TRUTH matter.

Based on LE investigation EE told the TRUTH.

Based n LE investigation MT DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH, AND SHE DID IT REPEATEDLY.


MOO

 

[Handsome Sailor]

yes, and no

 

[CTGrammy]

I think LE fell down on the job with the search warrants for the Toyota in 2 ways:
1. If they didn't know on 5/31 that FD drove it often, they definitely knew on 6/2. Why no search warrant until 6/6 or request made to EE on the spot for permission to search?
2. LE had been made aware of the seat issue on 5/31. Why was that not in the search warrant? That seems like a grave error to me.
So yes, I do wonder what took so long. It's odd.

I do not think EE had any prior knowledge or participation after the fact in this crime. However to characterize his thinking as "his employer was acting just a little more stupid than usual by Washing EE's Truck and Demanding that the seats be changed" is the same as saying EE is not very bright.

You asked "So, EE was supposed to be a psychic and determine that FO murdered JF just because FO was acting a little more stupid than usual, about an employee's red truck"?

Answer: I don't think anyone has to be a psychic to figure out what happened. And EE would have been way ahead of the people here at WS.

You asked "What Exactly was EE supposed to approach the Authorities and tell them, about FO Before June 2?"

Answer: It's not that hard. LE asked for tips. As soon as the washing of the truck, the seat swapping talk, the grilling of EE about his day on the 24th, the odd key issue at MS, that's what could have been told to LE. And he was still leaving the truck at 4JC. If FD hadn't been so lazy, he might have swapped out the seats himself. So yes, evidence was in jeopardy.

I think the Never Trust the Authorities thing is most likely overblown here, IMO. He went to the station on 6/2 without a lawyer, AFAIK.

I have NEVER stated any comparison of EE to MT or FD and I don't believe there is ANY equivalency. I do believe he has told the truth. FD and MT managed to get themselves arrested the first time without his help and I do feel he is overall decent person but do I have to agree with every single thing and the timing of it in order to believe that? All is well that ends well but if MY loved one was missing, I would expect EE to come forward immediately with his information. On 5/30 it was already reported in the media that blood was found and LE was investigating the case as a homicide. IMO.

I was not slighting LE in any way.

I was saying that it would be just as ludicrous to blame EE for waiting as it would be to blame LE for waiting. Especially when neither actually waited.

FO and MT were arrested on June 1.

The Very Next Day, EE tells everything to LE.

With the information in that Arrest Warrant, EE was then able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that he needed to tell EE that FO had access to his red truck and that FO washed the red truck and FO demanded that EE exchange the seats in the red truck.

So Basically, EE only waited 1 day, not 9.

EE's red truck was washed on May 29 and for several days after that, FO demanded the seat exchange. So let's say that puts us at Friday, May 31.

The very next day, June 1 is the Arrest of FO and MT.

Then the very next day, EE speaks with LE.

I don't understand why people think that EE waited and/or withheld information and/or evidence.

IMO, EE told everything to LE immediately after putting it together when FO and MT were arrested.

I was not questioning why LE took 4 days to seize the red truck.

I am sure that it took LE all 24 hours of each of the 4 days to review the CCTV cameras that picked up the red truck on its journey that Friday and let's not forget the school bus CCTV cameras as well.

There are Many routes to and from NC and Farmington. Lots of video to sort through. But, without that CCTV evidence, LE would not have received a Warrant for EE's red truck. So that is why it took 4 days to get the Warrant.

Actually, I am surprised it did not take longer than 4 days.

IMO.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Yes EE= Ex Employee
PG = his actual initials

Thank you! My old brain was struggling :--)

 

[Chloe_ee]

@Myvice: Your Q about custody reminded me of something that I would also hope/assume the lawyers are bringing up:

What loving father would push so hard to disrupt his children's lives, when their mother is (supposedly, according to him) "missing"? Why would he constantly try to impoverish the person who gives them a home, keeps them safe, when he himself claims he has no money?

All of his court actions regarding the children just prove how abusive and controlling he is, and how little regard he has for the children's well being. A normal father would miss them, but not try to uproot them at such a time.

Exactly Right, what loving father hasn’t provided a single dime to his children in more than 2 1/2 years, what loving father has never paid a penny to house any of his five children, what loving father has never provided a single cent for five children to go to private school, never paid their medical insurance so it dropped ... a deadbeat that’s what kind of father...FD is a broke deadbeat.

 

[SunnyCali]

Yes, so well said.

Simple things like the telling the TRUTH matter.

Based on LE investigation EE told the TRUTH.

Based n LE investigation MT DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH, AND SHE DID IT REPEATEDLY.


MOO

Not telling the whole story is just as bad as telling a lie. I’ll agree to disagree and won’t keep rehashing the fact that a murderer borrowed EE’s car resulting in him keeping bloody car seats for a month. He was covering his in keeping them knowing he’d be in bigger trouble if he threw them out. So he “sat” on the seats. Arg. Much respect to everyone and everyone’s opinion even though it’s really hard. But I know it’s the right thing to do. Wink. Lol.

 

[Hazelnutty]

YES.

yes

Thanks! :--)

 

[Handsome Sailor]

Thank you! My old brain was struggling :--)

Quite right

 

[CTGrammy]

Not telling the whole story is just as bad as telling a lie. I’ll agree to disagree and won’t keep rehashing the fact that a murderer borrowed EE’s car resulting in him keeping bloody car seats for a month. He was covering his in keeping them knowing he’d be in bigger trouble if he threw them out. So he “sat” on the seats. Arg. Much respect to everyone and everyone’s opinion even though it’s really hard. But I know it’s the right thing to do. Wink. Lol.

He did NOT keep them for a month.

EE told LE about that red truck on June 2 and LE showed up with a search warrant on June 6.

When LE showed up on June 6, EE immediately gave them the removed seats without them even asking.

IMO.

 

[afitzy]

Very curious where this NBC reporting is going on the Dulos case. It now appears that NBC is reporting both sides of the case which is better IMO than where they were last week when they were hyping, "Jennifer is alive". FD also made the statement, "...that I wish Jennifer would just show up so we can resolve everything...sort this mess out".

Here is one of the latest updates from NBC:

Fotis Dulos says he believes his missing wife is still alive. Investigators do not.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I found more on a Suburban —FD’s 2015. Attaching photo of WS info. Hope it helps.

 

[MemPat]

Exactly Right, what loving father hasn’t provided a single dime to his children in more than 2 1/2 years, what loving father has never paid a penny to house any of his five children, what loving father has never provided a single cent for five children to go to private school, never paid their medical insurance so it dropped ... a deadbeat that’s what kind of father...FD is a broke deadbeat.

Isn't it sad when "broke deadbeat" is the most complimentary thing you can say about a man?
Murdering broke deadbeat who actually is a psychopath has a nice ring to it.

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks for disagreeing agreeably, city girl!
Here's what I struggle with: Why would MT visit Bowman's office before she was ever charged with anything?
I can't wrap my mind around making that appointment.

If you're pure as the driven snow and no one has been accused of a crime, how does a conversation with a defense attorney go?

Somebody help me here!

Maybe I missed something but are you certain that MT was meeting with a criminal lawyer (Bowman) when she said she had to meet her attorney before heading to Russell Speeders?

I can think of many business and personal reasons she could have to meet with a lawyer on May 29, so not necessarily a criminal matter.

And if she was meeting with criminal attorney Bowman, that should also be of no surprise either.

First, I think it's safe to say that MT has probably found herself in bad company more often than not, and FD no exception.

When you keep that kind of company, you must stay 10 paces ahead of their next deal if you don't want to be left holding the bag. If you're a constant witness in your shady crowd, you'll always need an attorney to take your calls!

On May 29, washing the blood evidence from the Toyota, would probably be a good time to have counsel lined up.

MT would understand that at any moment, they could get picked up. She'd want to be represented ahead of time in the event she could not make bail. She also had to consider her minor child who was far from dad and immediate family.

If I remember correctly, she's not the one that spent days incarcerated arguing about a 401K for collateral and/or trying to get bail straightened out. IMO, MT and her family were prepared for her arrest.

 

[BellaVita]

I was not slighting LE in any way.

I was saying that it would be just as ludicrous to blame EE for waiting as it would be to blame LE for waiting. Especially when neither actually waited.

FO and MT were arrested on June 1.

The Very Next Day, EE tells everything to LE.

With the information in that Arrest Warrant, EE was then able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that he needed to tell EE that FO had access to his red truck and that FO washed the red truck and FO demanded that EE exchange the seats in the red truck.

So Basically, EE only waited 1 day, not 9.

EE's red truck was washed on May 29 and for several days after that, FO demanded the seat exchange. So let's say that puts us at Friday, May 31.

The very next day, June 1 is the Arrest of FO and MT.

Then the very next day, EE speaks with LE.

I don't understand why people think that EE waited and/or withheld information and/or evidence.

IMO, EE told everything to LE immediately after putting it together when FO and MT were arrested.

I was not questioning why LE took 4 days to seize the red truck.

I am sure that it took LE 24 hours of all 4 days to review the CCTV cameras that picked up the red truck on its journey that Friday and let's not forget the school bus CCTV cameras as well.

There are Many routes to and from NC and Farmington. Lots of video to sort through. But, without that CCTV evidence, LE would not have received a Warrant for EE's red truck. So that is why it took 4 days to get the Warrant.

Actually, I am surprised it did not take longer than 4 days.

IMO.

I know you were not criticizing LE. I was questioning them though. I already thought of what you said about needing the cctv footage for the warrant. Was that really necessary? On 6/2 EE already described to LE the situation of the truck being left at 4JC for extended periods of time. They knew from the 5/31 accidental run-in at 4JC that the seats were going to be changed out. Seems like that was plenty. Other vehicles were seized belonging to FD/MT that were not seen on the Odyssey of Stupidity. IDK. Maybe the officers at 4JC on 5/31 never made a note of the seat changing...didn't think it was important. If it was the same officers at 4JC who interviewed EE on the 2nd, that should have been a glaring piece of info. The first thing I would have asked EE on 6/2 would have been where are the old seats and will you turn them over voluntarily?

From my point of view, I feel like if I was EE, I would have gone to the police on the 29th. Definitely on the 30th when MSM announced blood and murder investigation. So 3 or 4 days sooner. Especially since he went 6/2 without a lawyer. It potentially could have made a difference to the case. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to have mattered. All MOO.