Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[afitzy]

Mercury News actually did an interactive map of the Dulos case for those that are new or want to see the referenced properties on a map - I will put it into the media thread to for reference as IMO its helpful:

Jennifer Dulos disappearance: Map of evidence in warrant

 

[spaz1959]

Many lawyers offer free consultations. They work out payment plans. They accept credit cards. I don't see the dentist often enough, I am paying medical bills on installment as well as lawyers fees, shop in thrift stores, my car is almost as old as the Toyota truck and I had to go on google last weekend to figure out what was wrong with it and then make a difficult fix myself. Disaster is one disabling event away. Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. I do see your point but for me, I would have figured out how to get that information to the police ASAP.

I never said they were the same. I’ll rephrase it.

I believe that anyone who has any information or any possible evidence in any murder case should come forward.

I am not comparing anyone as being the same. Or as being as accountable as the other. Or in the same boat. I believe they are both held as culpable. Totally separate in accounting for what they’ve done - but judged with the same measuring stick. FD too. They all three need to be held accountable with the same measuring stick, although there are severe differences in what they’ve done. FD wins.

I have empathy for EE. I honestly do. I understand how this happened to him. I’m sure he’s not a bad guy. If I were in his shoes I may have done the same. When it comes to the law and what we as citizens of this country are held accountable for, it should be same same same.

I guess what I’m saying is - does it matter where you come from, how much money you have, how many kids you have, how difficult it would be for you to come forward, or how likable you are, when it comes to giving evidence and/or information to a murder.

I'd have to say unfortunately yes, IMO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

On the EE matter, I haven’t got all the answers and some remains unknown but I am confident that LE will do its best to make sure that all of those involved are held responsible so it will sort itself out. I just want FD sorted first and foremost. Progress is being made, and I’m grateful. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

View attachment 202939 I found more on a SuburbanView attachment 202940 —FD’s 2015. Attaching photo of WS info. Hope it helps.

@thekirbyfamily @HopeForTheBest found the info on the Suburban's. JD Suburban license info is in the FD arrest warrant.

 

[sleuth66]

Not telling the whole story is just as bad as telling a lie. I’ll agree to disagree and won’t keep rehashing the fact that a murderer borrowed EE’s car resulting in him keeping bloody car seats for a month. He was covering his in keeping them knowing he’d be in bigger trouble if he threw them out. So he “sat” on the seats. Arg. Much respect to everyone and everyone’s opinion even though it’s really hard. But I know it’s the right thing to do. Wink. Lol.

I think you’re missing an important paragraph (#16) in the arrest warrant.
It was on 6/6 (5 days after FD/MT arrest) that LE took the red Tacoma, and on that day while LE was securing his truck, EE ADVISED to LE at that time that the seats were different than the ones that were in the truck in 5/24;EE offered the seats to LE, and LE took them and entered them into evidence separately.
So EE did not hold onto the seats for a month, he volunteered that info to LE and gave them the seats within 5 days of FD arrest. Remember though, that the contents of the arrest warrant weren’t revealed until the arraignment which was that Monday the 3rd, thats when the general public learned of the Albany Ave run and of the bloody bag evidence for arresting FD and MT. So thats even less than 5 days.

According to EEs attorney interview, EE was shocked to learn that his truck had been in NC on the 24th, and EE had thought that FD was innocent until FD was arrested. (Likely because EE had heard the alibi script practiced by FD and MT as EE reported- as did we at the time, trying to figure out which lawyer his morning meeting was with, etc.
Knowing all that we know now, it’s hard to go back and remember the limited insight we had that first couple of weeks after JDs disappearance.

 

[afitzy]

Maybe I missed something but are you certain that MT was meeting with a criminal lawyer (Bowman) when she said she had to meet her attorney before heading to Russell Speeders?

I can think of many business and personal reasons she could have to meet with a lawyer on May 29, so not necessarily a criminal matter.

And if she was meeting with criminal attorney Bowman, that should also be of no surprise either.

First, I think it's safe to say that MT has probably found herself in bad company more often than not, and FD no exception.

When you keep that kind of company, you must stay 10 paces ahead of their next deal if you don't want to be left holding the bag. If you're a constant witness in your shady crowd, you'll always need an attorney to take your calls!

On May 29, washing the blood evidence from the Toyota, would probably be a good time to have counsel lined up.

MT would understand that at any moment, they could get picked up. She'd want to be represented ahead of time in the event she could not make bail. She also had to consider her minor child who was far from dad and immediate family.

If I remember correctly, she's not the one that spent days incarcerated arguing about a 401K for collateral and/or trying to get bail straightened out. IMO, MT and her family were prepared for her arrest.

Yes, I believe it was clear that FD drove MT to Westport from Farmington to meet with Atty Bowman.

What is puzzling me though is the reference on 5/29/19 to "we went to meet with Andy (Atty Andrew Bowman)".

Did Atty Bowman in fact meet with BOTH FD and MT or did he just meet with MT?

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Agreed. Very confusing. But how can we believe anything she says? She has been lying for 81 days! Covering up for the murder of a woman she knew who had 5 children.

I can't attest to what Andrew Bowman knew and believed.
But based on his demeanor on this last AW he looked as though he had been kicked in the stomach.

Your assessment was he wouldn't last much longer. Would not blame him for jumping ship and saving his reputation.

IMO she is bad to the bone. She may be weak and misguided but she is still bad to the bone. MOO.

IMHO a lawyer’s reputation does not rest upon the type of client they represent. It rests upon how they can assist the client for the best outcome, given the facts presented to the lawyer from all sources, about the client and the situation they are facing.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

@thekirbyfamily @HopeForTheBest found the info on the Suburban's. JD Suburban license info is in the FD arrest warrant.

Great!

I found the pdf of all the FORE, etc. vehicles while looking for something else and am adding it here.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

On the drugs issue, if any. I've been looking for any/all possible explanations as to why MT cannot seem to answer questions in full sentences in a way that is coherent? I think if you simply removed all her comments from the AW and placed them by themselves on a piece of paper and then read them that they would appear to be the work of someone who was impaired IMO. Not sure what is going on with her at all. If she needs help then I hope she gets it as I'm not sure how LE could work with someone that is responding to basic questions like MT is IMO. If the issue is that she is not confident dealing in English then by all means bring in the translators for the Spanish.

Given her mothers extensive history at experiencing federal charges there shouldn't be any excuse such as that MT doesn't understand what is going on around her in this case. IDK. Perhaps she is simply dim and cannot see beyond her day to day experiences and is incapable of seeing anything wrong with FD? IDK.

Just trying to put the puzzle pieces together and truly hit the wall when reading the MT responses in the AW.

MOO

Hahahahahaha. The old no comprendo trick. But Friday? In their best English, where’s my paycheck?
You have NO IDEA how many times I’ve heard this BS.
hahahahahaha.
Puhleez. She was born and raised in Tennessee, was she not?
Spanish is her second language.
Hahahahahaha. Forget about it, MT. Honey, pack your bags. You’re going bye bye.

 

[afitzy]

IMHO a lawyer’s reputation does not rest upon the type of client they represent. It rests upon how they can assist the client for the best outcome, given the facts presented to the lawyer from all sources, about the client and the situation they are facing.

Cannot disagree with you but don't you think an atty on their toes would have made sure that such a situation as we are seeing clearly laid out in the second MT arrest warrant never happened? This ongoing situation of lying cannot serve either the client or the atty well so far as I can see and simply wastes LE valuable time at a critical juncture of the investigation.

If MT were determined to lie and Bowman knew this then I would think that he would advise his client to say nothing. IMO it would have been better for all involved if MT had been silent for the first 2 meetings.

If I recall the first meeting with LE in Westport was 3 hrs and was videotaped by State Police and States Atty. How many investigative hours were wasted chasing back MT statements made over the 3 hr first interview? And the second interview?

Who knows what Bowman knew and didn't knew but if he had any idea that his client was not ready or prepared to meet with LE then why meet?

Entire situation doesn't make much sense but it seems pretty clear that Bowman didn't know his client at all and that MT wasn't prepared or prepped to meet with LE. If for whatever reason MT was too distraught or upset for the meeting then again, why not delay?

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

We just don't know. The only reference to a violent assault has been in her garage. I suspect it was a lot in that garage and maybe in her house? LE ain't talkin'.
MOO.

Camera in garage would have come in handy. No?

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Here’s a link from earlier in WS on EE.

Fotis Dulos’ truck in New Canaan day Jennifer Dulos went missing — but he wasn’t driving

I’d forgotten that EE was working at a different site and how many vehicles FD had. He also had a Toyota Tundra.

And trivia: When I searched WS forums for Tacoma, I learned that Kelsey B’s body was transported in the back of a Tacoma from her house to his house. Creepy. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I think you’re missing an important paragraph (#16) in the arrest warrant.
It was on 6/6 (5 days after FD/MT arrest) that LE took the red Tacoma, and on that day while LE was securing his truck, EE ADVISED to LE at that time that the seats were different than the ones that were in the truck in 5/24;EE offered the seats to LE, and LE took them and entered them into evidence separately.
So EE did not hold onto the seats for a month, he volunteered that info to LE and gave them the seats within 5 days of FD arrest. Remember though, that the contents of the arrest warrant weren’t revealed until the arraignment which was that Monday the 3rd, thats when the general public learned of the Albany Ave run and of the bloody bag evidence for arresting FD and MT. So thats even less than 5 days.

According to EEs attorney interview, EE was shocked to learn that his truck had been in NC on the 24th, and EE had thought that FD was innocent until FD was arrested. (Likely because EE had heard the alibi script practiced by FD and MT as EE reported- as did we at the time, trying to figure out which lawyer his morning meeting was with, etc.
Knowing all that we know now, it’s hard to go back and remember the limited insight we had that first couple of weeks after JDs disappearance.

This is very helpful! I agree on it being hard to recall all we didn’t know at the start. I read the first thread last night and remembered a lot, and searching today has had me in Threads 4, 5, 6, and 7–and it has been very helpful. I recommend checking out some of the posts from the start—; it’s amazing to see. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Camera in garage would have come in handy. No?

Discussion on that and the first warrant are in early threads and it’s very interesting. I’d forgotten so much of it. Seeing it now amazes me how on it WS has been. MOO.

 

[oceancalling]

Thanks for disagreeing agreeably, city girl!
Here's what I struggle with: Why would MT visit Bowman's office before she was ever charged with anything?
I can't wrap my mind around making that appointment.

If you're pure as the driven snow and no one has been accused of a crime, how does a conversation with a defense attorney go?

Somebody help me here!

Most folks who visit a criminal defense attorney do so because they know they are in trouble, so I think it is fair to assume that even at that early date, MT knew she needed counsel. The fact that FD went with her makes me think he may have paid the retainer; she doesn't seem to have any other means of support. That payment is perfectly ethical on Bowman's part so long as he puts the legal interests of MT before those of FD and he appears to be doing so. He is in a tough spot with this client, though. I think it will be apparent in the coming days whether she is going to do the right thing.

 

[afitzy]

Hahahahahaha. The old no comprendo trick. But Friday? In their best English, where’s my paycheck?
You have NO IDEA how many times I’ve heard this BS.
hahahahahaha.
Puhleez. She was born and raised in Tennessee, was she not?
Spanish is her second language.
Hahahahahaha. Forget about it, MT. Honey, pack your bags. You’re going bye bye.

MT was born in TN but went back to Caracas with her family shortly after birth we believe and received all her schooling and university in Venezuela. We have no reason to believe that English is MT first language. Her father was in TN doing his residency at the time of MT birth so it is believed that he speaks english and MT mother was previously a licensed psychologist (no longer) and is also believed to speak english.

My guess is that the language spoken in the home is Spanish but this is pure speculation.

But the language in the arrest warrant IMO heard from MT appears disjointed, unclear and incomplete. I do wish that LE would investigate further on the language issue to make sure that the correct language is being used for MT in these interviews. We see incorrect tense usage, pronoun usuage and references that make little sense and sometimes its even unclear whether MT understands the question or when she refers to the body of JD being in EE passenger seat it appears that she is simply saying what she believes LE wants her to say based on what was being said. The AW says directed and probing was used to get anything out of MT so my guess is that things might have gotten tense as LE saw how things were going with the interview. IDK. But based on the AW it seems like the interviews were far from productive. Could things have been managed differently to get a better result or was this just a very determined MT who was going to do or die and follow the alibi scripts at all costs? IDK, but the AW question responses from MT certainly seem odd IMO.

Sorry if I was unclear about the language issue.

I am bringing up the language issue as a question or possible explanation for why the responses from MT simply seem oddly 'off'. Did MT fully understand the questions being asked or her?

Neither MT nor her atty so far as what is mentioned in the arrest warrant brought up the entire issue of what language the interrogation should be made in.

Perhaps Spanish would have been a more productive way to interview MT?

My guess is that is someone is determined to lie that it doesn't matter which language they are interviewed in!

 

[afitzy]

Hahahahahaha. The old no comprendo trick. But Friday? In their best English, where’s my paycheck?
You have NO IDEA how many times I’ve heard this BS.
hahahahahaha.
Puhleez. She was born and raised in Tennessee, was she not?
Spanish is her second language.
Hahahahahaha. Forget about it, MT. Honey, pack your bags. You’re going bye bye.

DBM duplicate

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Most folks who visit a criminal defense attorney do so because they know they are in trouble, so I think it is fair to assume that even at that early date, MT knew she needed counsel. The fact that FD went with her makes me think he may have paid the retainer; she doesn't seem to have any other means of support. That payment is perfectly ethical on Bowman's part so long as he puts the legal interests of MT before those of FD and he appears to be doing so. He is in a tough spot with this client, though. I think it will be apparent in the coming days whether she is going to do the right thing.

I see now—; it’s different than me saying I’d ask my lawyer in general. I would if I had been around someone a lot and that person was being investigated for murder no matter that I had no idea. I’d just be nervous because I’m a worrier with too much imagination for my own good at times! Ack! MOO!

 

[Seattle1]

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Yes, I believe it was clear that FD drove MT to Westport from Farmington to meet with Atty Bowman.

What is puzzling me though is the reference on 5/29/19 to "we went to meet with Andy (Atty Andrew Bowman)".

Did Atty Bowman in fact meet with BOTH FD and MT or did he just meet with MT?

Thanks for posting the affidavit as MSN never named the attorney, and why would we know the name of her attorney on May 29 when MT wasn't even in my vocabulary yet!

Sept 6, 2019

Troconis also was coy about the trip to Russell Speeders Car Wash in Avon on May 29, at first telling them Dulos told her that Gumienny wanted to sell the truck so he was going to bring it to the car wash. She initially told police that, “Fotis at some point calls me says...pick me up at the car wash.” But it was only after state police pressed her and revealed they had video footage of her following the Toyota to Russell Speeders that she admitted she had gone there with him.

Troconis told investigators on their way back from a meeting with her attorney, she “drops him off to pick up the car,” court records said.

Michelle Troconis, the girlfriend of Fotis Dulos, goes from possible alibi to key witness against her boyfriend in his estranged wife’s disappearance

 

[HopeForTheBest]

MT was born in TN but went back to Caracas with her family shortly after birth we believe and received all her schooling and university in Venezuela. We have no reason to believe that English is MT first language. Her father was in TN doing his residency at the time of MT birth so it is believed that he speaks english and MT mother was previously a licensed psychologist (no longer) and is also believed to speak english.

My guess is that the language spoken in the home is Spanish but this is pure speculation.

But the language in the arrest warrant IMO heard from MT appears disjointed, unclear and incomplete. I do wish that LE would investigate further on the language issue to make sure that the correct language is being used for MT in these interviews. We see incorrect tense usage, pronoun usuage and references that make little sense.

Sorry if I was unclear about the language issue.

I am bringing up the language issue as a question or possible explanation for why the responses from MT simply seem oddly 'off'.

Neither MT nor her atty so far as what is mentioned in the arrest warrant brought up the entire issue of what language the interrogation should be made in.

Perhaps Spanish would have been a more productive way to interview MT?

My guess is that is someone is determined to lie that it doesn't matter which language they are interviewed in!

It seemed like more than language to me, too. MOO.