Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #22

[BellaVita]

Thank you LittleBitty for your summaries/consolidation of the timeline!

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My issue with 61 Sturbridge Hill Road is that it doesn't make sense to drive back towards the New Canaan Rest Area from there if you look on Google Earth and check the potential and most logical road paths. If the body was transferred from the Suburban to the Tacoma and then driven to 61 Sturbridge Hill Road, why back track afterwards? At 11:12 am the Tacoma is snapped heading eastwards and it's less than a mile from the Lapham Road/Waveny park area. It would make much more sense (if leaving Sturbridge) to take Carter St or New Norwalk Road to get back on to Merritt Parkway to head to Farmington, don't you think?

I don't think Sturbridge is in the mix. EE was there working. I don't think FD wanted anybody to know he was in NC that day. I don't think Sturbridge is a possibility at all. Maybe the transfer station though? Then again, maybe not. Does anybody know if you have to have things wrapped up in bags or do people just throw things down a chute. How does that work? Haven't been to a dump (that's what they were called a long time ago, LOL) in 40 years. Don't know how they work now. I wonder if FD even thought ahead to bring garbage bags. Maybe mops, sponges etc tossed into Suburban as is. Just thoughts.

 

[oviedo]

Something occurred to me didn’t MT say she was on her phone during the garbage bag dump the entire time ? They do have her on video as well as FD - plus the phone records - wonder if this will prove to be a lie ? JMO

 

[Websleuth 007]

I don't believe the transfer station is in the mix - a permit is required for NC residents to use the station/ as a resident you drive down a road and stop while awaiting your turn to pull into to a rather open area. As a spot becomes available you pull into one of about 10 parking spots, get out of your car, open the trunk or tailgate and walk up to one of several dumpsters which sit several feet below the parking area and toss your garbage over the wall. The parking area usually has at least a couple of other cars dumping their trash. On a Friday it's probably not too busy- on a Saturday it's usually jammed. There are usually at least two city employees walking around and checking to see if your permit(usually attached to your rear view mirror) is up to date. I am not as familiar with the commercial portion of the dumping area used by contractors of the site but I imagine it's under even tighter observation. There is a weighing station/observation booth that you must pass through.
It would be interesting to know if FD (as the owner of two NC properties) has a commercial permit but I would not be surprised if he did. No doubt LE has checked this out as well as any security cameras that may be on the property. JMO

I don't think Sturbridge is in the mix. EE was there working. I don't think FD wanted anybody to know he was in NC that day. I don't think Sturbridge is a possibility at all. Maybe the transfer station though? Then again, maybe not. Does anybody know if you have to have things wrapped up in bags or do people just throw things down a chute. How does that work? Haven't been to a dump (that's what they were called a long time ago, LOL) in 40 years. Don't know how they work now. I wonder if FD even thought ahead to bring garbage bags. Maybe mops, sponges etc tossed into Suburban as is. Just thoughts.

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[Jmoose]

I don't think Sturbridge is in the mix. EE was there working. I don't think FD wanted anybody to know he was in NC that day. I don't think Sturbridge is a possibility at all. Maybe the transfer station though? Then again, maybe not. Does anybody know if you have to have things wrapped up in bags or do people just throw things down a chute. How does that work? Haven't been to a dump (that's what they were called a long time ago, LOL) in 40 years. Don't know how they work now. I wonder if FD even thought ahead to bring garbage bags. Maybe mops, sponges etc tossed into Suburban as is. Just thoughts.

There is a transfer station in the town where I live (which we refer to as “the dump”). You don’t have to bag anything, and some stuff we just throw into the sunken dumpsters there, unbagged. If the transfer station that you are talking about is anything like ours, he could just throw JD’s remains in there, and throw more debris on top. But I don’t think he did it like that-if he went to the transfer station with her remains, she was bagged up very well so that no part of her showed. And birds would be a problem, picking at flesh that wasn’t totally encased in something, and covered by more debris-that he wouldn’t want to flow back to him. And there would be cameras. I just think he is too control-freaky to leave it to chance that someone could find her. I think she is somewhere, where nobody would think to look.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

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[MyTinkieGirl]

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[nina318]

Idiots! Just MOO but IF she took fertility drugs to get pregnant with the kids (and two sets of twins may or may not be indicators), ultrasounds later in life are not uncommon in my experience to check for cysts and watch for any signs of ovarian issues as a result of using certain fertility drugs. My gosh. I’d like to know how many accounts FD took money from—and she’s the one who had the money. I hate to go to sleep not having read all of this but another early and long day awaits. MOO. I’m always glad to know that you guys are here for JD’s case no matter what! You all are amazing and so kind! (That is not MOO-; it’s a FACT!)

BBM - ditto! NP and FD's latest stunt is deplorable and, unfortunately, I believe it will get worse. I see someone posted NP's motion. I am off to read now!

 

[BellaVita]

I don't believe the transfer station is in the mix - a permit is required for NC residents to use the station/ as a resident you drive down a road and stop while awaiting your turn to pull into to a rather open area. As a spot becomes available you pull into one of about 10 parking spots, get out of your car, open the trunk or tailgate and walk up to one of several dumpsters which sit several feet below the parking area and toss your garbage over the wall. The parking area usually has at least a couple of other cars dumping their trash. On a Friday it's probably not too busy- on a Saturday it's usually jammed. There are usually at least two city employees walking around and checking to see if your permit(usually attached to your rear view mirror) is up to date. I am not as familiar with the commercial portion of the dumping area used by contractors of the site but I imagine it's under even tighter observation. There is a weighing station/observation booth that you must pass through.
It would be interesting to know if FD (as the owner of two NC properties) has a commercial permit but I would not be surprised if he did. No doubt LE has checked this out as well as any security cameras that may be on the property. JMO

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Could he have driven there in the Suburban which may have had a sticker? Would love to know if there are cameras and what may have been checked as far as this goes. I keep hearing "control freak" however there was never anything "controlled" about the way this crime was committed. I think of other killers.....Jason Young, both Petersons, Casey Anthony....with soooo much less evidence that is incontrovertible. But living with your victim makes things so much easier for the killer. Maybe with all the cameras everywhere there was never a chance he wouldn't be caught. FD has got to be one of the stupidest killers ever. And I don't believe wherever he put her was a final @#$% you. He already did what he wanted and I don't believe for a minute that some poetic (in his eyes) justice final resting place would have been in his mind at all. It would all have been logistics at that point. MOO.

 

[BellaVita]

Something occurred to me didn’t MT say she was on her phone during the garbage bag dump the entire time ? They do have her on video as well as FD - plus the phone records - wonder if this will prove to be a lie ? JMO

She is on video leaning out the window and appeared to pick something up or drop something. Maybe she can talk and dump evidence at the same time.

 

[nina318]

NPs Motion

Ludicrous. According to this, they were "engaged in highly contentious matrimonial litigation". This is quite a contrast to FD's statement in his recent interview. He said the divorce was going to be amicable. Which is it? Also, how does the 6th Amendment support his right to view JD's medical records. I am not versed in law - but this seems like a stretch and, to me, a disconnect. MOO!

 

[Jmoose]

Could he have driven there in the Suburban which may have had a sticker? Would love to know if there are cameras and what may have been checked as far as this goes. I keep hearing "control freak" however there was never anything "controlled" about the way this crime was committed. I think of other killers.....Jason Young, both Petersons, Casey Anthony....with soooo much less evidence that is incontrovertible. But living with your victim makes things so much easier for the killer. Maybe with all the cameras everywhere there was never a chance he wouldn't be caught. FD has got to be one of the stupidest killers ever. And I don't believe wherever he put her was a final @#$% you. He already did what he wanted and I don't believe for a minute that some poetic (in his eyes) justice final resting place would have been in his mind at all. It would all have been logistics at that point. MOO.

I think he just reckoned out a place or method to get rid of her that would be fast, unencumbering for him, and permanent-in that “nobody would think to look there” way. But it had to be fast, and easy for him-I think that’s the key (MOO)

 

[Mimi in London]

This is helpful, thank you LittleBitty. My comments in bold.

So based on my timeline (taken from the AWs) we have a couple of times for JD body disposal:

5/24
1. 10:25 am and 11:12 am (New Canaan). But must transfer JD body to Tacoma and other items and attempt to wipe down Suburban and dump body close enough to NC and crime scene area to be caught on camera driving back towards Farmington on 11:12 am. Would FD have gone to 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or another place like a dumpster?
Is it possible the body was never in the Tacoma? In this scenario, blood evidence in the Tacoma would have been transferred (eg from FD, MT or JD clothes), possibly even deliberately as part of the set -up of EE. The dumping would have happened before Waveney/11.12am and would have been a single dump rather than necessitating a vehicle transfer.

2. 12:22 pm and 3:37 pm (Farmington). This could be anywhere. Avon? Farmington Fore Group properties? Definitely not NC.
First places to search would be those areas frequented by EE and disclosed to FD/MT in conversation.

3. 5:00’ish (not sure when EE left for the weekend after retrieving his Tacoma when he arrived at 4:30 pm) until 7:00 ish. This would be up until the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Again this would be more Farmington or Avon. Areas not NC.
See comment on No 2

4, 7;10 to 7:41 pm. (Hartford) in trashbags in odyssey of stupidity. We know those trashbags were picked up and taken to MIRA. And likely shredded and incinerated before LE got there. We don’t know if any remains have been found by LE. We just know a bag or bags were recovered from Albany Avenue along with the license plates which were shoved in the storm drain.
What precedent is there of a case where LE does not reveal they have found remains/declare the victim dead? Assuming this is not likely, and unless LE was unlucky in finding only fabric/blood, it would seem to me the body was disposed of separately and more immediately (to minimise being caught, but FD still having some fun with planting evidence pointing to someone else).

5/24-5/25
5. Some time after 8:10 pm that evening. I try to resist this just because I think FD had to have known JD had been reported missing by this time? And that LE was on the case. It just seems odd. And risky but then anything is on the table. Would he have driven back to NC when JDs been reported missing and LE are searching? Did he have an “accomplice” living closer by do so!? Remove her from the dumpster on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or somewhere else? Was that why the loud banging at 5 am on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road that was heard by the dog sitter of neighbor: Was reported to LE. Property and dumpster on that Fore Group address have been searched a couple of times.
None of the comments above explain noises at Sturbridge. But I do think it’s related, and some other piece of evidence planted by FD will surface at some point.

 

[Jmoose]

Ludicrous. According to this, they were "engaged in highly contentious matrimonial litigation". This is quite a contrast to FD's statement in his recent interview. He said the divorce was going to be amicable. Which is it? Also, how does the 6th Amendment support his right to view JD's medical records. I am not versed in law - but this seems like a stretch and, to me, a disconnect. MOO!

6th amendment does’t appear to apply here-although no doubt, NP will attempt to whine that it does.

 

[LittleBitty]

Thank you LittleBitty for your summaries/consolidation of the timeline!

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My issue with 61 Sturbridge Hill Road is that it doesn't make sense to drive back towards the New Canaan Rest Area from there if you look on Google Earth and check the potential and most logical road paths. If the body was transferred from the Suburban to the Tacoma and then driven to 61 Sturbridge Hill Road, why back track afterwards? At 11:12 am the Tacoma is snapped heading eastwards and it's less than a mile from the Lapham Road/Waveny park area. It would make much more sense (if leaving Sturbridge) to take Carter St or New Norwalk Road to get back on to Merritt Parkway to head to Farmington, don't you think?

That’s a very interesting thought! Had not considered that! Good work!

I have said all along she made it to 80 MS, especially after seeing that house and the eerie feeling I got.

I have always thought 80 Mountain Spring is a huge key. That her remains at the very least made it to that location after the crime.
So many locations that FD knows well. This was the family’s stomping grounds for many years. A hop skip and a jump from 585, 4 Jax and THe Pond. So many places he is intimately familiar with and that would have meaning in his mind for a “burial.” Or at least many places and Fore Group properties he’d have access to which sit on many acres. Access to equipment and tools and other materials more so than he’d have at NC. A very intimate knowledge of his neighbors and their habits and places he’d be seen or not be seen. Plus according to what we know from AW 1 and AW 2 that police have compiled with camera footage and surveillance and cellular data, there was a very tight line in NC and virtually no room for error. I believe like you and many others he arrived, killed JD, cleaned and got out and headed back to Farmington bc he needed to establish his alibi. He didn’t want to be seen at all in NC. Most of the time according to the timeline was spent in the Farmington area with large swaths of time. 12:22 pm until 7:10 pm with really only the EE showing up between 4:30 pm and whenever EE left with the Tacoma. I think the bag disposal was all of the cleanup from the truck and house and possibly JD.

Also @MemPat please trademark “Super Grifter” so I can buy the t-shirt and wear for Halloween. I feel confident it will be a hit!

Thanks to all posters for all y’alls work and questions and new thoughts and theories. It’s what inspired me to combine the two AWs so we could all get a clear picture so far of the timeline and create new theories and discussion!

 

[citygirl]

Good morning.
Is the general consensus that he didn't put her in the flat bed of the truck? The pics are so dark but people have mentioned seeing construction gear or tools in the back.
If he shoved her in the back seat wouldn't there be evidence of that? Maybe LE has that but has yet to reveal it?

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I was speaking specifically to the poster's suggestion that Troconis may have been in New Canaan helping with the murder, which is not supported by evidence: https://tinyurl.com/y2le7pu2

She was charged with evidence tampering.

As to how FD pulled off the murder; there are a lot of questions and missing pieces I have been trying to ascertain as I mentioned.

If he was alone with the murder with everything connected in New Canaan to that; where did the clean up materials come from? If he put the corpse in the Suburban how was it put in there and how was it transferred to the pick up? How much actual bulk was involved in the murder and put in bags? We see the back of the pick up driving on the Merritt on the way back, it doesn't seem terribly full.

This is just me. NP said himself JD was 88 lbs. I know the effect of - excuse the terminology - regular vs. dead weight. The 88 lbs were divided amongst a 5'10" or so body, as well. IMO, FD moved JD by himself, IMO. He's a water skier. I've seen pics of him even single handing it. I can dead lift 75 lbs and I'm an old lady (over 55), 5' tall, 103 lbs. I've helped move huge bags of mulch slung over my shoulder, as well.

By the laws of Physics, here we go. Basically, one can figure this out relatively painfully. LOL
The weight of an object(FD) vs speed of FD vs boat speed vs weight of other object (boat). The resistance of H2O as opposed to the effect on the "wake" vs resistance on FD vs any wind/air. FD exerts an amount of strength vs all the factors he needs to overcome to stay standing up on the skis via arm strength.
This all correlates to blah, blah, blah.
I'd say dude was strong and did this part by himself. There also could have been storage totes in the garage like many people store things in.

It's hard to judge what's in or not in a truck bed by a picture, no? Perhaps what or whom is inside is what might count more?
Cleaning supplies? There probably were some at the house - maybe where DNA on faucet came from? Maybe in a backpack. A "kill kit", so to speak.
Amount of bulk in bags? It's pretty much a non issue, IMO ONLY IMO, since there was JD's blood on items in them. Judging by the smallish white bags he dumped at the car wash, maybe not too much?

The rest, I'm pretty positive that might be part of AW3, or discovery.

Patience, Grasshopper. Patience.

Can I just address the Gone Girl crap?? JD leaves to frame FD or whatever junk NP is spewing. So, before that, she went to the blood bank and stole her blood to splash around the garage and leave on her clothes and had it all left for FD to clean up. I HATE when that happens!

 

[thekirbyfamily]

That’s a very interesting thought! Had not considered that! Good work!



I have always thought 80 Mountain Spring is a huge key. That her remains at the very least made it to that location after the crime.
So many locations that FD knows well. This was the family’s stomping grounds for many years. A hop skip and a jump from 585, 4 Jax and THe Pond. So many places he is intimately familiar with and that would have meaning in his mind for a “burial.” Or at least many places and Fore Group properties he’d have access to which sit on many acres. Access to equipment and tools and other materials more so than he’d have at NC. A very intimate knowledge of his neighbors and their habits and places he’d be seen or not be seen. Plus according to what we know from AW 1 and AW 2 that police have compiled with camera footage and surveillance and cellular data, there was a very tight line in NC and virtually no room for error. I believe like you and many others he arrived, killed JD, cleaned and got out and headed back to Farmington bc he needed to establish his alibi. He didn’t want to be seen at all in NC. Most of the time according to the timeline was spent in the Farmington area with large swaths of time. 12:22 pm until 7:10 pm with really only the EE showing up between 4:30 pm and whenever EE left with the Tacoma. I think the bag disposal was all of the cleanup from the truck and house and possibly JD.

Also @MemPat please trademark “Super Grifter” so I can buy the t-shirt and wear for Halloween. I feel confident it will be a hit!

Thanks to all posters for all y’alls work and questions and new thoughts and theories. It’s what inspired me to combine the two AWs so we could all get a clear picture so far of the timeline and create new theories and discussion!

Love it and agree! I want a t-shirt too!!

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

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I don't think Sturbridge is in the mix. EE was there working. I don't think FD wanted anybody to know he was in NC that day. I don't think Sturbridge is a possibility at all. Maybe the transfer station though? Then again, maybe not. Does anybody know if you have to have things wrapped up in bags or do people just throw things down a chute. How does that work? Haven't been to a dump (that's what they were called a long time ago, LOL) in 40 years. Don't know how they work now. I wonder if FD even thought ahead to bring garbage bags. Maybe mops, sponges etc tossed into Suburban as is. Just thoughts.

very doubtful that it would be transfer station. Although not familiar with the one in NC, every other town I’ve lived in has required a check in at a kiosk when everything and some other sort of identification and I’m sure there is surveillance. If they had him on surveillance there I think we’d have Murder One charges already. JMO.

 

[nina318]

6th amendment does’t appear to apply here-although no doubt, NP will attempt to whine that it does.

Since they claim she's a "gone girl" and she's still alive, I say the medical records are protected under HIPPA and the 4th Amendment (unreasonable seizure). MOO!

 

[sds71]

I don’t think the Judge will but he could:

Court Order
A HIPAA-covered health care provider or health plan may share your protected health information if it has a court order. This includes the order of an administrative tribunal. However, the provider or plan may only disclose the information specifically described in the order.

Subpoena
A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order.

A HIPAA-covered provider or plan may disclose information to a party issuing a subpoena only if the notification requirements of the Privacy Rule are met. Before responding to the subpoena, the provider or plan should receive evidence that there were reasonable efforts to:

• Notify the person who is the subject of the information about the request, so the person has a chance to object to the disclosure, or
• Seek a qualified protective order for the information from the court.

See 45 C.F.R. § 164.512(e) and OCR's Frequently Asked Questions.

Court Orders and Subpoenas