Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #22

[Chicago54]

I was speaking specifically to the poster's suggestion that Troconis may have been in New Canaan helping with the murder, which is not supported by evidence: https://tinyurl.com/y2le7pu2

She was charged with evidence tampering.

As to how FD pulled off the murder; there are a lot of questions and missing pieces I have been trying to ascertain as I mentioned.

If he was alone with the murder with everything connected in New Canaan to that; where did the clean up materials come from? If he put the corpse in the Suburban how was it put in there and how was it transferred to the pick up? How much actual bulk was involved in the murder and put in bags? We see the back of the pick up driving on the Merritt on the way back, it doesn't seem terribly full.

Both MT AND FD were ONLY charged with evidence tampering. I am not aware of any evidence which directly supports your assertion that MT was not an accomplice in the murder.


I’ve long been an advocate of using a “follow the money” type approach in solving this crime. I feel the Why? of the murder is worthy of some deeper discussion that might get us thinking outside the box and stir up some creative new suggestions to fill in the still missing Wheres, Whats, Whens, and Hows.


So, Why was JD murdered?

IMO, in a general sense, the answer lies in what was the gain.

Obviously the hotly contested 2+yr divorce is the glaring red flag. Getting rid of JD ends the divorce litigation. (And maybe, just maybe, ends the money battle with GF if the grief stricken, grandchild protecting, grandma withdraws.) Perhaps to FD, in the simplest view, kind of a best case scenario, ending the divorce, with mother gone, results in custody of the children, access to their trust funds, and full ownership of all of his and JDs assets. The money looks better to FD and his atty fees end too! Looks perfect, right? IIRC, as FD said in his latest interview , his life was “beautiful”, except for the divorce. He wanted it over. But here’s the stickler, can any sense be made out of potentially gaining a murder charge to get out of a divorce???


Yes, I know, it happens all the time-and in this past year, probably more horrifically than ever imagined, but the rage and spontaneity seen in those crimes is missing in this case.

The use of the Tacoma and the plates clearly point a premeditated murder, not one caused by a sudden explosion of anger. The limited public information available shows some of FDs movements during the last week of JDs life: smoozing KM’s STBX, dining &/or playing basketball w his kids, and hosting a dinner party. And supposedly at the same time planning JDs murder. The equation is simply not adding up. What’s missing? Where is the rage or anger needed to override the rational of not trading a divorce action for a murder charge?


For arguments sake, perhaps we are missing information that does show some rage. Were JD and FD arguing in person, on phone, via text or email? No-have not heard or seen one shrewd of evidence supporting any of these.

Did FD as JD to meet to talk and the meeting turned violent? No- then he wouldn’t have needed the Tacoma or plates.

Was the other person seemingly involved with the murder, as supported by evidence, harboring any anger or rage?

Maybe. IMO a little attention needs to be directed on MT to find the missing piece of the equation.


MT:admittedly at the car wash, claiming ignorance of what she is doing but running to her attorney afterwards.

MT: the pillow-talk-mate of the frustrated sad FD who wants nothing more than to continue his “beautiful” life and be divorced.

MT: the single mom whose child support would end in 5-6yrs. (Follow the money)

MT: the adulteress who moved her child out of state, away from her family and home, to supposedly move into a temporary house provided by her rich sugar daddy.

MT: the international mover and shaker who had put all her eggs in FDs and FOREs basket, who was watching her job and income disappear as FORE collapsed.

MT: after finally gaining access to the castle, watching as her paramour’s STBX MIL paid for their mortgage.

MT: hooked to a guy who was wrapped in litigation and couldn’t sell a house to save his life.

MT: who was denied access to her lover’s children by the court, about to face another holiday weekend of turmoil. She had to be mad as a wet hen after the judge finally gave FD Memorial Day weekend. Where was MT supposed to go for the weekend??


Now there’s a little rage.

Maybe a closer look at MT will help answer “how FD pulled off the murder” and why.

 

[Mimi in London]

PS: Link to Chas and AJ - you can skip 1/2 way through to get to the Stmt Analysis Person and Body Language Expert Susan Constantine who I thought was quite interesting (she thinks FD is a very good liar BTW but WS has known this for a very LONG time - 21 threads in fact!).
Audioboom / Tuesday, September 10: Did Fotis Dulos Give Himself Away On "Dateline" Last Night? Plus, Connecticut Ghost Audio

MOO

RSBM

Listening to this audio (at 23:00, listen from the 20.00 mark), does anyone else hear FD say he keeps thinking “IT” is going to show up, before quickly correcting himself to say “she” (is going to show up).

Backs up the point the expert is making, about how the term ‘show up’ subconsciously refers to something concealed, eg a body.

Eta changed time marker again, sorry .

 

[Jmoose]

Good morning.
Is the general consensus that he didn't put her in the flat bed of the truck? The pics are so dark but people have mentioned seeing construction gear or tools in the back.
If he shoved her in the back seat wouldn't there be evidence of that? Maybe LE has that but has yet to reveal it?

My vote, for what it’s worth, is for the back seat. I don’t think he’d take the chance with the flatbed

 

[BellaVita]

I really don't think the plan was to set up EE. If it was, they would just have let him leave with the truck on 5/24 and not worried about keeping it to clean it up over the weekend. There would have been too much corroboration of the the vehicle arrangements regarding the Tacoma and no doubt video evidence combined with phone pings verifying that EE was using the Raptor on the regular and when. The Tacoma was just a way of hopefully keeping the Raptor above suspicion. FD was hoping that LE would never become aware of the Tacoma at all and how it tied into this crime. Because facts would be gathered and LE knowledge of the Tacoma role in this would really point right at FD. If a set up was the intent, FD would have told LE to check out EE who he knew was in NC that day. FD knowledge of phone pings and video is oh so lacking however. NP...hope you are reading this and realizing how oh so stoopid your client is. People are assigning so much more intelligence to this guy than is really there. The phones being brought along on the Odyssey are proof that there is nobody more stupid than FD and MT. MOO.

 

[merrymary]

And here comes his attempt at an affirmative “someone else did it” defense!
Her health conditions do not in any way relate to the trashbin odyssey of stupidity or FD using the EEs Tacoma and driving it to NC on the day of her disappearance.

Now she has to be pregnant? Really? 88 pounds and sick? Or 88 pounds and pregnant? Which is it? So if she’s pregnant that means that she’s a bad person? Like his client and having an affair? After all those infertility treatments and then she is pregnant randomly at 52? What!? NP is such a carnival barker.

He just wants to play the same angle of desperation. Now that his clients alibi is shot to oblivion along with his clients character.

Sadly I have been prepared for all the mudslinging that will be coming at JD, EE, MT and anyone else NP can fling it on. He has to fling all that mud somewhere—his client is covered in a mound of it of his own making.

Her health records do not prove anything. At all. Whatsoever. Ugghhhhh Norm. Waiting for the latest women’s groups to attack you on social media in 5,4,3,2,1...

Oh pullleeeaasseee....while I was going through my divorce I looked like I was in a concentration camp. This is called cause and affect you moron!!!

 

[Lorenathered]

I am fairly caught up but admit not completely so apologies if this has already been suggested or doesn't fit the timeline.

I was thinking about who had what vehicles and reasons for the trash bin odyssey. Is it possible that FD had placed the garbage bags in the Raptor while the employee still had it, assuming he would then unwittingly dispose of them before switching trucks back or just as part of his job, helping in the setting up of the employee scheme? When that didn't happen he panicked and the big mistake happened? MOO

Also just a side note, I have some good programs and experience in cleaning up and enhancing photos so if anyone has some from the case that they might want me to take a shot at, just send them along.

 

[Greenstreet]

So based on my timeline (taken from the AWs) we have a couple of times for JD body disposal:

5/24
1. 10:25 am and 11:12 am (New Canaan). But must transfer JD body to Tacoma and other items and attempt to wipe down Suburban and dump body close enough to NC and crime scene area to be caught on camera driving back towards Farmington on 11:12 am. Would FD have gone to 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or another place like a dumpster?

2. 12:22 pm and 3:37 pm (Farmington). This could be anywhere. Avon? Farmington Fore Group properties? Definitely not NC.

3. 5:00’ish (not sure when EE left for the weekend after retrieving his Tacoma when he arrived at 4:30 pm) until 7:00 ish. This would be up until the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Again this would be more Farmington or Avon. Areas not NC.

4, 7;10 to 7:41 pm. (Hartford) in trashbags in odyssey of stupidity. We know those trashbags were picked up and taken to MIRA. And likely shredded and incinerated before LE got there. We don’t know if any remains have been found by LE. We just know a bag or bags were recovered from Albany Avenue along with the license plates which were shoved in the storm drain.

5/24-5/25
5. Some time after 8:10 pm that evening. I try to resist this just because I think FD had to have known JD had been reported missing by this time? And that LE was on the case. It just seems odd. And risky but then anything is on the table. Would he have driven back to NC when JDs been reported missing and LE are searching? Did he have an “accomplice” living closer by do so!? Remove her from the dumpster on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or somewhere else? Was that why the loud banging at 5 am on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road that was heard by the dog sitter of neighbor: Was reported to LE. Property and dumpster on that Fore Group address have been searched a couple of times.

So based on my timeline (taken from the AWs) we have a couple of times for JD body disposal:

5/24
1. 10:25 am and 11:12 am (New Canaan). But must transfer JD body to Tacoma and other items and attempt to wipe down Suburban and dump body close enough to NC and crime scene area to be caught on camera driving back towards Farmington on 11:12 am. Would FD have gone to 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or another place like a dumpster?

2. 12:22 pm and 3:37 pm (Farmington). This could be anywhere. Avon? Farmington Fore Group properties? Definitely not NC.

3. 5:00’ish (not sure when EE left for the weekend after retrieving his Tacoma when he arrived at 4:30 pm) until 7:00 ish. This would be up until the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Again this would be more Farmington or Avon. Areas not NC.

4, 7;10 to 7:41 pm. (Hartford) in trashbags in odyssey of stupidity. We know those trashbags were picked up and taken to MIRA. And likely shredded and incinerated before LE got there. We don’t know if any remains have been found by LE. We just know a bag or bags were recovered from Albany Avenue along with the license plates which were shoved in the storm drain.

5/24-5/25
5. Some time after 8:10 pm that evening. I try to resist this just because I think FD had to have known JD had been reported missing by this time? And that LE was on the case. It just seems odd. And risky but then anything is on the table. Would he have driven back to NC when JDs been reported missing and LE are searching? Did he have an “accomplice” living closer by do so!? Remove her from the dumpster on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road or somewhere else? Was that why the loud banging at 5 am on 61 Sturbridge Hill Road that was heard by the dog sitter of neighbor: Was reported to LE. Property and dumpster on that Fore Group address have been searched a couple of times.

Long time lurking, no longer.... Wonder if he back tracked to another location where he was denied access like 40 Mallard Lake Rd. Pound Ridge , New York . I recall reading in divorce documents that JF was going to live at her parents' home and or guest cottage AND FD responded he is to have full access to the property. It was soon after, JF rented Welles Lane home. I mapquested 2 addresses and Pound Ridge NY is a 15 minute drive,east of Sturbridge Rd. That property in NY was sold in June of 2019. Prior to the second AW, I would have suspected he dropped bricks on the roof, now I believe he makes his own bricks. I am just throwing this thought out to all the wise sleuthers here.

 

[Jmoose]

Its been a bit of a whirlwind today mainly focused on Dateline commentary and some commentary from Pattisville

If you didn't watch Dateline and don't care about it then you can zip through most of the comments

Dateline comments: FD saying "I did not have anything to do with the disappearance of Jennifer", FD saying that he thought he was going to have an amicable divorce, FD saying he handed his phone over willingly to NCPD, FD saying he never fought with JD, FD saying he was blindsided by JD taking the children and moving away etc.

Dateline format allowed for no real followup of FD comments. Some thought it was scripted and useless and there was no news for WS folks while others thought the show was benign and others still thought that Dateline did a half assed job of bringing in the details from latest AW that was dropped as they had probably already finished editing the show IMO. Others thought show should be 2 episodes as it was too compex to cover in 1 show.

People on the threads are coming to terms with the impact of the FD/MT 'alibi scripts' on the reporting we've seen from the Press and how some of these events have crept into the timeline and now need to be removed because they were lies from MT and FD that were repeated by Pattis to the press (mainly DA at HC but other papers as well).

FD allegedly did the Dateline interview against the instructions of Pattis

Much discussion of Dateline 'paying' FD/Pattis for use of pictures which many thought exploited the innocent Dulos children so that FD could make some needed cash

New docs released today in the Civil Case as GF is moving forward with foreclosure on 4Jx

Pattis seems back to the 'Gone Girl' defense and filed in Criminal Court today with another motion to get the JD medical records as he claims she is down to 88 lbs and was potentially either pregnant or quite ill. This of course was printed by Pattisville comrade DA in the HC.

Think thats it for the most part. Its been a long day! Back to the AW time gaps for me!

PS: Link to Chas and AJ - you can skip 1/2 way through to get to the Stmt Analysis Person and Body Language Expert Susan Constantine who I thought was quite interesting (she thinks FD is a very good liar BTW but WS has known this for a very LONG time - 21 threads in fact!).
Audioboom / Tuesday, September 10: Did Fotis Dulos Give Himself Away On "Dateline" Last Night? Plus, Connecticut Ghost Audio



MOO

If you listen to the whole thing, you hear these two take apart FD’s interview responses. So it isn’t just women who are finding this guy outrageous; men do, too. Word to NP re: prospective jury...

 

[oceancalling]

NPs Motion

Another laughable motion. He "has come into possession" of insurance/medical information about Jennifer? Exactly how might that have happened? Why don't you call it by it's correct term, Mr. Pattis? Your client STOLE it, just like his former lawyer says FD stole the draft GAL report. IMO the report does not say what FD claims it does (another lie in a sea of lies). In fact, I have wondered if it may have been a contributing reason for the timing of Jennifer's murder. Still, knowingly using stolen information is a tactic greatly disfavored by the Bar, at least it is in most states.

Now the C Team is back to the ridiculous Gone Girl theory. I have said it before and I will say it again, the only person who used GG as a template to in this case is Dulos. Completely lacking the intelligence he so clearly thinks he has, he still stupidly believes his genius has us fooled by his real-life plagiarism of an obvious work of fiction. News flash, Mr. Dulos no one is fooled; the comments accompanying every article about this case read guilty, guilty, guilty. Unfortunately for Mr. Patts, he is now stuck with this ridiculous theory, especially in light of his client's most recent cringeworthy interview. FD's mouth-the gift that keeps on giving!

Although I was less than thrilled with the failure of Dateline to discuss all the facts that came out in AW2, I was absolutely giddy when I saw that interview. Both of FD's interviews are coming in at trial IMO ( non-custodial, freely and voluntarily given to non-LE , without any promises or coercion=the jury is going to see and hear them) and those interviews are devastating. The 2d interview is particularly damning for FD. From his use of past tenses when referring to Jennifer and the attempted save ("She was a good mother-gulp-and I hope she will be one in the future" What the he**??), to his creepy smile and that rash.

I bring up the rash again because it is a physical manifestation of deception that his body cannot control. Go back and look at the pictures of FD and notice when the rash appears. It appears when he is before the court, when he is being asked pointed questions by the media, and during both interviews. The man lights up like a veritable Christmas tree every single time he is putting on a facade. His body cannot hide his lies and he cannot control his body. The phrase,"Out, out, dam* spot comes to mind."

I find it hilarious that Pattis advised Dulos not to give that second interview. Was he concerned that his client was going to get more airtime than the show gave him? I read that garbage about some "PR" firm Pattis claims to associate with. Is it run by some of his poor relatives, because it is downright amateurish in its pitch. Premier lawyers get cases because of their reputation, not because of paid PR. Heck, the best of them do not want to waste their time chasing clients; the good clients chase them!

The last thing people of means want is a lawyer who will bring attention to them or their case. They would never, ever hire a lawyer who actively brags about publicizing their case in order to hook the next one. Compare Pattis to the amazing female attorney who has recently appeared in the family matter. That lady could eat Pattis for lunch, and I bet she will. She has no need to pander to the cameras because she knows she is on the side of truth. Truth is, indeed, a powerful motivator, as FD is about to find out.

Between the release of the information contained in AW2, that awful interview, and the knowledge that MT has told LE that FD's "rock-solid." alibi is a lie, both Mr. Dulos AND his lawyer know how this investigation is going to end. My question is who in the heck thinks that such a schizophrenic approach to adopted in this case continues to be a good idea? Keep filing those outrageous motions C Team; they are powerful motivators to those seeking to hold Dulos accountable for his crimes.

 

[Jmoose]

I am fairly caught up but admit not completely so apologies if this has already been suggested or doesn't fit the timeline.

I was thinking about who had what vehicles and reasons for the trash bin odyssey. Is it possible that FD had placed the garbage bags in the Raptor while the employee still had it, assuming he would then unwittingly dispose of them before switching trucks back or just as part of his job, helping in the setting up of the employee scheme? When that didn't happen he panicked and the big mistake happened? MOO

Also just a side note, I have some good programs and experience in cleaning up and enhancing photos so if anyone has some from the case that they might want me to take a shot at, just send them along.

How would he think the bags got there, since he expected FD to be in Farmington all day? I liked this, until I thought about how FD and the red truck weren’t Supposed to be in NC that day.

 

[oceancalling]

What interviews have you guys seen with MT?

I am basing my observations on video, etc, of all her public appearances, as well as the language out of the 2dAW. If her interviews with LE were recorded, they have not yet been released.

 

[oceancalling]

I was speaking specifically to the poster's suggestion that Troconis may have been in New Canaan helping with the murder, which is not supported by evidence: https://tinyurl.com/y2le7pu2

She was charged with evidence tampering.

As to how FD pulled off the murder; there are a lot of questions and missing pieces I have been trying to ascertain as I mentioned.

If he was alone with the murder with everything connected in New Canaan to that; where did the clean up materials come from? If he put the corpse in the Suburban how was it put in there and how was it transferred to the pick up? How much actual bulk was involved in the murder and put in bags? We see the back of the pick up driving on the Merritt on the way back, it doesn't seem terribly full.

Based upon Jennifer's blood/DNA found on the back seats of EE's truck, IMO she was rolled up in the large mat stolen from her Suburban and loaded into the cab of the Tacoma. He got rid out that mat because he knew her DNA would be found on it if LE ever got its hands on it.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Can I ask how the latest motion was able to put all of JD's seemingly personal medical info? It mentions billing, etc., but, seems odd.
As for the withdrawals. Won't that break open the whole money/financial info?


ETA: I'll say my questions were pretty much answered by oceancalling's post #790 above. As always, thanks for you!

 

[BellaVita]

He wanted it over. But here’s the stickler, can any sense be made out of potentially gaining a murder charge to get out of a divorce???

Yes, I know, it happens all the time-and in this past year, probably more horrifically than ever imagined, but the rage and spontaneity seen in those crimes is missing in this case.

The use of the Tacoma and the plates clearly point a premeditated murder, not one caused by a sudden explosion of anger. The limited public information available shows some of FDs movements during the last week of JDs life: smoozing KM’s STBX, dining &/or playing basketball w his kids, and hosting a dinner party. And supposedly at the same time planning JDs murder. The equation is simply not adding up. What’s missing? Where is the rage or anger needed to override the rational of not trading a divorce action for a murder charge?

RSBM:
A sociopath is full of rage at all times. It is not always seen. I think FD thought continuously of how he could get JD out of the way. In my personal experience, I had not communicated with the sociopath for many months. I received a phone call one morning where he was FULL of rage over emails/texts/legal issues from 3+ months prior. I think something set FD off within 48 hours of the murder. The final straw. I think there WAS a sudden explosion of anger but FD was controlled enough not to go over to WL that very moment. The rage was there. And yes, it was all about the money. MOO.

 

[MFH]

Does the bloody pillow nag anyone else? Every time it’s mentioned I wonder why it was involved in the crime scene. Is that something that police have, or was it lost in the dumpster? Do we know?

I can’t figure why it would have been in the garage, although it could have been any odd reason, like someone had it in the suburban for a road trip, but I can’t help but wonder. This may have already been discussed in one of the threads I couldn’t keep up with. I don’t think anyone thinks that a gun was used, but could it have been used to silence gun when killing her? I am just thinking of how the pillow could have come into play. I would think if the pillow had a hole in it and there was GSR along with JD’s blood, maybe this would already be able to be classified as a murder.

All IMOO just the bloody pillow being found in one of the Albany street dumpsters has always bugged me.

 

[oceancalling]

Good morning.
Is the general consensus that he didn't put her in the flat bed of the truck? The pics are so dark but people have mentioned seeing construction gear or tools in the back.
If he shoved her in the back seat wouldn't there be evidence of that? Maybe LE has that but has yet to reveal it?

Jennifer's blood was found on those seats, as MT finally admitted. This was after the $250 detailing of the vehicle. That evidence was there because Jennifer's body was in the back seat of that truck.. IMO that is why he went 60 mph all the way to 80MS. He did not want to get pulled over while her body was in the Tacoma.

 

[nina318]

Long time lurking, no longer.... Wonder if he back tracked to another location where he was denied access like 40 Mallard Lake Rd. Pound Ridge , New York . I recall reading in divorce documents that JF was going to live at her parents' home and or guest cottage AND FD responded he is to have full access to the property. It was soon after, JF rented Welles Lane home. I mapquested 2 addresses and Pound Ridge NY is a 15 minute drive,east of Sturbridge Rd. That property in NY was sold in June of 2019. Prior to the second AW, I would have suspected he dropped bricks on the roof, now I believe he makes his own bricks. I am just throwing this thought out to all the wise sleuthers here.

Welcome! I recently came out of lurking too for the Maleah Davis case in May - heartbreaking! I had thought about Pound Ridge property too. But, the fact FD had no control of or insight as to who may be there, etc., made me think he would not take the chance in going there.

 

[Jmoose]

Does the bloody pillow nag anyone else? Every time it’s mentioned I wonder why it was involved in the crime scene. Is that something that police have, or was it lost in the dumpster? Do we know?

I can’t figure why it would have been in the garage, although it could have been any odd reason, like someone had it in the suburban for a road trip, but I can’t help but wonder. This may have already been discussed in one of the threads I couldn’t keep up with. I don’t think anyone thinks that a gun was used, but could it have been used to silence gun when killing her? I am just thinking of how the pillow could have come into play. I would think if the pillow had a hole in it and there was GSR along with JD’s blood, maybe this would already be able to be classified as a murder.

All IMOO just the bloody pillow being found in one of the Albany street dumpsters has always bugged me.

Yeah the pillow has bothered me, because I envision this attack as happening only in the garage, so why use the pillow? I am just more interested in what the pillow looked like. The DD said it was blue and white striped, I think, and I am wondering if it matched anything in the house. If his description sounds like a pillow from the living room sofa, then they (investigators) are pretty sure the knife, found with the pillow, was used in the attack in some way. FD ought to be frantic unless he knows no such pillow exists at Jennifer’s

 

[Lorenathered]

Good Question. There are some mundane details that I wish I knew, like what was the employee working on? Was it inside or outside work? Would it have produced other bags of garbage that the others could have been tossed in with? Did he have an accomplice that dropped the bags off? Was he questioning the employee to see if he saw the bags get dropped/added? I am just speculating as best I can because the bag dumping has always thrown me on all this. Everything else seemed so planned out and this was such a huge mistake on their part. Though I am grateful they made this mistake. MOO

 

[Tink56]

Does the bloody pillow nag anyone else? Every time it’s mentioned I wonder why it was involved in the crime scene. Is that something that police have, or was it lost in the dumpster? Do we know?

I can’t figure why it would have been in the garage, although it could have been any odd reason, like someone had it in the suburban for a road trip, but I can’t help but wonder. This may have already been discussed in one of the threads I couldn’t keep up with. I don’t think anyone thinks that a gun was used, but could it have been used to silence gun when killing her? I am just thinking of how the pillow could have come into play. I would think if the pillow had a hole in it and there was GSR along with JD’s blood, maybe this would already be able to be classified as a murder.

All IMOO just the bloody pillow being found in one of the Albany street dumpsters has always bugged me.

This bothers me, too. The only logical explanation I can find is perhaps the pillow was used in the Suburban by the kids or as a back rest for JD.