Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #23

[oceancalling]

I’m not arguing with you about what beliefs you ascribe to; I’m just interested in understanding what you mean here as I find it fascinating. Do you mean that you believe that evil is in people but you have problems with believing that the evil is real? Or do you mean that you have problems believing that people can be or contain evil? I have long pondered the possible connections between how physical laws such as Newton’s third law, where every action results in an equal and opposite reaction, relate to philosophical concepts, such as whether it is possible or logical to accept the idea of goodness if we reject the idea of evil and, conversely, if it is possible or logical to accept the idea of evil if we reject the idea of goodness. I also am interested in the view of gullibility, meaning easily persuaded to believe something, as that by definition extends both ways—to believe or not to believe, or to believe in A and then in B and so on. I will be most interested to hear your perspective here. Thank you. MOO.

Anyone doubting that there is evil in people should visit any death row in this country. Folks like Bundy, Danny Rolling, the Golden State Killer, the Green River Killer-the list would take days to complete. In fact, the horrendous acts evil people are capable of is disheartening.

The whys and hows of what causes people to become evil or do evil deeds is subject to debate, but there are people in this world who are just plain evil IMO. I believe, when all is said and done, Mr. Dulos will be included in the category of evil people.

I am not using this term as a religious judgement, but as a moral one. Obviously this is just my opinion, but having seen evil up close and personal, it exists in certain people, at least for me.

 

[citygirl]

Man! A lot of smart night owls in this group.
GF's attorney is a class act.
And God Bless GF.
Renovating her apartment so the kids can have their own rooms.
What a woman. MOO.

 

[oviedo]

Please accept my apologies. Not what I meant at all with the post and no condescending meant at all. None.

Maybe I should have put quotes around LE logic/talking.
“What we have ...”
to the end of the post.
This is what I imagined LE could be saying to everyone. Not that they did or certainly not word for word.
LE explanation for lack of visible quick progress towards the ultimate goal: Murder charges with an expectation of a guilty verdict.

Assurances by LE that they have everything under control but need more time to sort through everything would be another way to put it. Again, my ideas of how LE could potentially respond.

I’m hoping this short explanation will allay any lingering concerns that you may have with regard to my chosen words.

Thank you - this case has gotten to me more so than others - I'm getting to the point where it seems very unfair that they are both out on bail still...

 

[Greenstreet]

Fotis Dulos’ arraignment today in connection to his wife’s disappearance has been delayed from 10am to noon at the Norwalk courthouse.

This concerns me. I hope he is "arraigned" right over to his new FORE-ever prison cell. otherwise, I see him in the next episode of the "Great Escape" MOO

 

[merrymary]

Dave Altimari
@davealtimari
The TV cameras are camped out behind the Norwalk courthouse awaiting arrival of Fotis Dulos for his arraignment. Court officials are saying it will be noon or so before his case gets called before a judge.
10:05 AM · Sep 12, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

 

[oviedo]

Thursday, Sept. 12th:
*Arraignment Hearing (@ am ET) – CT – Jennifer Farber Dulos (50) (May 24, 2019, New Canaan) – only for *Fotis Dulos (51) arrested (6/2/19), charged (6/1/19) & arraigned (6/3/19) with tampering with or fabricating physical evidence & hindering prosecution. Plead not guilty. $500K bond. Posted bond (6/12/19). Bond conditions on any bond release. Must be posted at courthouse, passport must be surrendered & must submit to GPS monitoring.
*Arrested & charged (9/4/19) with tampering with evidence involving the borrowed car from work colleague. $500K bond. Posted bond (9/4/19).
6/3/19: Arraignment hearing. Prosecutor tells judge that State expects more charges to be filed in this case. 6/12/19: Bond hearing. Posted bond with conditions. Next pretrial hearing on 8/2.
7/16/19 Update: Fotis’s defense team is planning on filing a motion to discovery of Jennifer’s medical records, as well as a motion to dismiss, by early next week.
7/18/19 Update: FD is being sued by a HVAC company. He’s due on court 8/5.
8/2/19 Update: Hearing postponed to 8/9.
8/9/19 Update: Court to hear arguments on 5 motions, incl. defense motion to dismiss charges, Defense attorney Pattis request for Jennifer Dulos’ medical records, says records could prove his theory that Jennifer Dulos was despondent when she went missingn on May 24. Judge Blawie denies Pattis motion, but left it open if Pattis develops more info down the line. Motion to return personal items seized in investigation. STATE: Chevy Suburban and Jeep Cherokee may be returned. PATTIS: Why not electronic items? State isn’t telling us what they’re still doing with items. 4th amendment uses “reasonable” for a reason. Judge says return of cars (not Ford Raptor) but nothing else (no phones or hard drives which had been requested by Pattis). Judge Blawie also has denied removal of ankle bracelet to wrist bracelet because he is afraid that it won’t keep proper tabs on Dulos. Judge Blawie says FD precluded from contact with Troconis. Pattis will appeal gag order to Supreme Court. Judge said he’ll consider arguments, more briefs before ruling on the gag order motion request by prosecutors. Briefs due by 8/19. DA says Fotus has tried to contact his children thru a 3rd party. Judge says he does not want relatives of Fotis Dulos to try and facilitate a meeting or conversation between Fotis & the Dulos children. Bail restrictions prohibit him from contacting his children. Judge brings up motion to dismiss. Colangelo says he’ll file objection by next court date, which he says will be 9/13.
9/4/19 Update: Dulos was arrested on Wednesday (9/4/19) afternoon for the second time in connection with the case. He was charged for tampering with evidence involving the borrowed car from a work colleague on the same day his wife, Jennifer, disappeared that was later found to contain traces of her blood. Dulos was released on Wednesday after posting a $500K bond hours after he was taken into custody. His lawyer, Norm Pattis, said Dulos planned to plead not guilty at an arraignment scheduled next Thursday, 9/12.
*Michelle Tronconis (44) – Motions hearing from 7/18 continued to 9/20.

Thank you @Niner - going to copy this to the media thread.

 

[BellaVita]

Anyone doubting that there is evil in people should visit any death row in this country. Folks like Bundy, Danny Rolling, the Golden State Killer, the Green River Killer-the list would take days to complete. In fact, the horrendous acts evil people are capable of is disheartening.

The whys and hows of what causes people to become evil or do evil deeds is subject to debate, but there are people in this world who are just plain evil IMO. I believe, when all is said and done, Mr. Dulos will be included in the category of evil people.

I am not using this term as a religious judgement, but as a moral one. Obviously this is just my opinion, but having seen evil up close and personal, it exists in certain people, at least for me.

1000 likes. Didn't want to answer that post directly. The best response I saw to that was "Stick around". Not sure how anyone has trouble believing Evil is out there. Many people do not understand that Evil takes many forms. They ONLY think it is in the form of Bundy, Rolling, etc. How I wish I could go back to a point in time when I had a hard time believing Evil was out there. Like maybe back to the age of 12. Life would be much more pleasant. Dangerous to be unaware but definitely more pleasant.

 

[oceancalling]

In watching the wonderful interview of Atty Weinstein today (extended version) I was glad to see a partial answer to a question I've long had about any CPA's working on the books of FORE and taxes for FORE/FD.

Its strange that with such a simple business (paying others to build houses) that FORE/FD never seemed to be able to submit taxes on a timely basis and its unclear to me what exactly FORE/FD submitted to Farmington Bank/Peoples Bank for its various loan requests. This is certainly quite unusual IMO.

It appears that there have been accountants over the years working with FD/FORE. I wonder who they were and why FORE/FD wasn't able to produce basic financial reports as we saw FD Family Court Lawyer Atty Pytranker putting together financial reports for submission to Family Count based on what sounded like single pieces of paper from FD.

Atty Weinstein mentioned though that up until 2018 the FIL was shown on the taxes correctly as a loan but when FD demanded that it be converted from a loan to equity this accountant refused. FD being FD found a new accountant that agreed to the conversion of the loan to equity.

I wonder if we will see these two accountants deposed in the civil case as it would be quite interesting to hear their take on why it was so so difficult for FORE to generate financial statements and tax returns.

Having the testimony from the accountants would be most useful if Atty Markowitz (KM former partner that seems to be having administrative issues finding all the various FD/FORE real estate files) was compeled to produce the requested mortgage documents of FORE activities.

MOO

I was quite surprised he was able to find an accountant to make that kind of change, as that is something which would definitely red flag that return, and no reputable accountant would want to do that. Accountants tend to be straight-forward bunch, always erring on the side of not triggering an audit. Wonder if FD found the replacement through some of the sterling members of the Bar who, from the partial transcript I read, seemed to be encouraging the stonewalling of mandatory financial disclosures in the divorce case?

From the little that has been made available, it seems FD was running roughshod over the legal process. He clearly has no respect for our system of justice, and instead views court proceedings as a game for him to "win". He is going to be in for a rude awakening once he sees how differently the criminal court system operates. He is not going to be permitted to pull these intentional sleights of hand that he seems to believe he has mastered. No respectable defender is going to risk their license to pull this type of fraud on the court. As much as I disapprove of NP, I do not believe even he would agree to present knowingly fabricated evidence. Time will tell.

 

[oceancalling]

Agreed! I make sure to find and read your posts specifically @oceancalling. Thank you for your insight.

Thank you for your kind words. I tell myself enough is enough, but I have this tendency to over analyze things and putting my thoughts in written form assures me that Dulos is going to be convicted.

 

[afitzy]

No wonder you asked me all about foreclosures. Where are you? Bc this is incredible. As in the Dark Ages.
And please excuse me native CT sleuthers. More CT bashing here. That’s probably why Jennifer couldn’t get the divorce finished. Couldn’t get a compliance order. No sanctions. The legal system is so antiquated. And people are moving out of CT. Rats jumping ship.
Huge tax burden doesn’t help anything. Plus high cost of living. Oh, yes. There’s a problem. At least DV will be getting overhauled, hopefully. At least DV is coming up everyday.
(Politicians should be required to take finance. How to use and balance a budget.
Guess for FD, even a finance MBA didn’t help him balance a budget.
Oh, well.)
I get it. I get it. That loose piece of the puzzle about two years and 400 documents. Bc NOTHING in the CT courts moves. It’s in stall mode. Perma Set.

Thekirbyfamily supplies another piece.
Yes yes yes. Coming together. In Texas, 41 days and foreclosed if deed of trust. judicial foreclosures slower. Months. Way less than a year.
Eviction?
72 hour notice to vacate. Court within two weeks. If no appeal and don’t move, constable comes out and moves you. Or hires movers to move you and they keep the peace.
If appealed. Np. Start making monthly rent payments into court registry. No payment? Boom. Out you go, twinkhead.
WOW. INFRIGGINGCREDIBLE.

Exactly! Your description IMO nails the situation in CT perfectly. Thank you!

CT Judiciary and its rules/regulations/laws are IMO frozen in a time and place that is over a 100 years ago, in many cases. But the existing legal system in CT does serve the interests of for lack of a better word, legal cabal, that makes a fortune simply churing out the motions over and over and over again.

Look to the Dulos civil case and how nothing was moving for nearly 2 years, in part because the two suits were being heard by 2 separate Judges (so, 2 motions, 2 files, 2 court times and 2 depositions etc)! It took Atty Weinstein over a year to get the cases consolidated under the SAME JUDGE in Civil Court! He is now fighting to get the 4Jx action included in the case load of the same Judge that is working on the GF v Dulos case in Civil Court to facilitate the process.

Businesses have been fleeing CT for years as its simply hard to do business within the existing system. Most people that don't need to work in NYC anymore also choose to leave CT for the reasons stated in the OP.

FD and his 'crew of bad boy lawyers' have this system down perfectly and have been exploiting it for personal gain IMO for years. If you don't have time to read much I suggest just taking a gander of FD responses/or lack thereof in Family Court about his finances. With his level of 'cooperation' IMO there was no mystery why nothing was able to move ahead in Family Court. Going back to his Dateline statement about 'wanting to move forward', there is zero that I have seen from FD either in Family Court or Civil Court to suggest this is true - so, I'm calling BS on that FD statement and calling a 'shame on you' on Dateline for not doing more to explain the stalling tactics/offense that FD and his lawyers have been using for years!

I am so glad that this sad situation with all the litigation is playing out into the publics view as so much has been hidden away over the years IMO. I hope the press continue to cover these issues but change is driven from Hartford and sadly nothing ever seems to change in Hartford!

I do hope that Criminal Court might be different from what we have seen in Family Court with Judge Heller and in Civil Court. I look forward to seeing Judge Blawie in in the State v Dulos matter. For those that don't know him here is a brief bio: 5 Things to Know About Judge John Blawie, Who Heard Connecticut's Last Death Penalty Case | Connecticut Law Tribune

We will have to see how criminal court proceeds but my guess is that we might just be treated to an endless series of 'continuances' which is the CT lawyers typical tool of choice to kick the can down the road as Pattisville is in Nowheresville IMO with the FD alibi/alternative explanation!

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

I don't see how FD could have used a transfer station in any town. The are mostly primarily stops for specific items, electronics, textiles, recyclable items, unwanted small appliances etc. They have bins around the perimeter of a large pull in area and you pull your car next to or near the bin you want to off load to. In my town, you carry the items into a trailer. They are wide open areas. Very difficult to mask a wrapped up body carried to a bin. Besides, all the transfer areas that have been mentioned on this thread have rather stringent residency requirements and attendants to be sure the rule are adhered to. The attendants check your license for residency and check for a permit sticker. Tough to get past. Plus, cameras are present to prevent abuse.
But, most of all, everything is out in the open, he would have been seen and remembered and whatever bin would he have put her, unwanted appliance?
I think he had the altered plates on the red pick up and put her body in a commercial dumpster in a minority neighborhood in Waterbury or New Britain.
Then he repeated the pattern with the bloody rags etc. on Albany Ave. later the same day.
He could have done this well within the timeline because those cities are on the way up I-84 back to Farmington.
I also think that is why LE stopped their discussion of his whereabouts etc. at the intersection of I-84 and 8. That is either not a finished timeline for them or it is and it comes out in the murder warrent. MOO MOO MOO

The warrant shows an average speed of 57mph between I-84/8 timepoint at 12 pm and FD pulling in to 80MS on camera at 12:22 so I don’t think he made any stops between there.
MOO.

 

[Jmoose]

I missed that the first time, thanks. And WOW. He couldn't remember the name of the transporter and the fee? Total lies. I wonder where these cars are now? Was something hidden in the cars? MOO!

Fascinating to me is that ALL trips are business trips, because he is “looking for investors”-on the ski slopes? Puleeaase!

 

[afitzy]

As much as I disapprove of NP, I do not believe even he would agree to present knowingly fabricated evidence. Time will tell.

I agree but given the track record of Pattis making untrue statements to the public and IMO in court documents (family court before he left that court regarding the psych report leak to the the press), I'm not so sure that Pattis has 'any' boundaries as it relates to defending his clients! Its a strong statement to make and I make it very reluctantly but I think the State is going to have to check and triple check everything coming from Pattis in a manner that I believe will be unprecedented.

I don't believe that there is one law or regulation that exists anyplace (state or federal) that Pattis won't step over if it furthers his agenda. We saw this clearly IMO with the psych report issue and my guess is that something similar might just be going on with the medical and health records of JD. Pattis was able to resign behind closed doors from Family Court and was never reported to the CT Bar for the psych report situation and this is way that things are handled in CT.

FD "friend" D. Ford is the only atty I have seen disbarred and not readmitted in a very very long time in CT. Ford though was able to perpetrate his legal misdeeds over a very long period of time IMO before the CT Bar did anything to remove his license. Its a stunning state of affairs IMO and most in CT aren't aware of the situation either.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Fascinating to me is that ALL trips are business trips, because he is “looking for investors”-on the ski slopes? Puleeaase!

Yes, his entire life was an IRS defined "write off"!

Weinstein knocked it out of the park IMO with the FD trips to Vail where it was clear 'no business meetings took place'!

Wonder when the IRS will be knocking on the doors of 4Jx! MOO

 

[afitzy]

The warrant shows an average speed of 57mph between I-84/8 timepoint at 12 pm and FD pulling in to 80MS on camera at 12:22 so I don’t think he made any stops between there.
MOO.

Yes, this was the assumption I've made in my timeline although I do wonder what we might learning about FD actions when he left Rt8 and moved onto Rt84.

Did FD go directly to 4Jx? Or, did FD take a brief side trip in this region?

The other 'gap' I presently have in my timeline is at the beginning of the trip to NC leaving from 4Jx. I'm guessing FD left around 5:15 am or so. Did FD pick up anyone as he made his way to the Merritt or was someone in the Red Tacoma with FD?

I also wonder what stops might have been made by FD in the am before he is first captured on camera on the Merritt heading south?

We know the FD neighbor at 4Jx has CCTV. So, did FD leave from the front entrance of 4JX or did he have his vehicle parked someplace else and so wasn't visible on the neighbors CCTV?

My guess is that we might not see FD leave from 4JX and this could be what is taking LE awhile to document IMO.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Yes, his entire life was an IRS defined "write off"!

Weinstein knocked it out of the park IMO with the FD trips to Vail where it was clear 'no business meetings took place'!

Wonder when the IRS will be knocking on the doors of 4Jx! MOO

I can’t believe the IRS hasn’t gone there yet. What, are they too busy worrying about regular people’s tax returns?

 

[BellaVita]

Yes, this was the assumption I've made in my timeline although I do wonder what we might learning about FD actions when he left Rt8 and moved onto Rt84.

Did FD go directly to 4Jx? Or, did FD take a brief side trip in this region?

The other 'gap' I presently have in my timeline is at the beginning of the trip to NC leaving from 4Jx. I'm guessing FD left around 5:15 am or so. Did FD pick up anyone as he made his way to the Merritt or was someone in the Red Tacoma with FD?

I also wonder what stops might have been made by FD in the am before he is first captured on camera on the Merritt heading south?

We know the FD neighbor at 4Jx has CCTV. So, did FD leave from the front entrance of 4JX or did he have his vehicle parked someplace else and so wasn't visible on the neighbors CCTV?

My guess is that we might not see FD leave from 4JX and this could be what is taking LE awhile to document IMO.

MOO

Whether or not the Toyota was seen leaving 4JC on the morning of the 24th is not relevant. It would have been seen leaving at SOME point. If the vehicle was parked somewhere else, more evidence of pre-meditation. IMO.

 

[sds71]

Fotis Dulos is about twenty minutes out from arriving at the Norwalk courthouse.
@News12CT

 

[nina318]

Fascinating to me is that ALL trips are business trips, because he is “looking for investors”-on the ski slopes? Puleeaase!

Yep! And with his girlfriend in tow as well. I guess MT took "notes" and Minutes of their numerous investor meetings. It was pure delusion to believe this would not catch up with him. They are both slippery slime and belong together, IMO.

I wonder what FD's water skiing pals from "The Pond" think of him now? Mr. Jet-Sett, Big-Bucks is nothing but a psychopathic con man. Respectfully, MOO.

 

[afitzy]

Oh, yes, I sound like a sanctimonious snot here. I am sorry for sounding that way but I still mean it. I better make a permanent signature tag line of MOO for all my posts because now that I’ve said this, karma dictates that I’ll be the first one to do what I just said shouldn’t be done. Mea culpa, friends! Oh, yes—and MOO.

I do agree with your point about the quality of information or lack thereof that we are seeing in this case.

I've kept a personal timeline from the beginning of the case and I wish I had done the timeline in blackline/redline to capture the sheer number of times I have had to go back and revise the timeline based on what I 'at best' will refer to as 'misinformation'. If I had blacklined my timeline it would look like a mess of strikeouts and redo's. In great part this is due to the 'alibi scripts' being put out to the Press by Pattisville and others as 'facts'. Its IMO a very unfortunate situation.

I can say that I've not seen such an active use of the online world and the press by a small group of atty's to push the narrative on a case in quite awhile. But it takes alot of time and vigilence IMO to stay on top of the narrative and most people don't have this time and cannot follow along as closely to as many here are doing.

IMO Pattisville very much understands the limited attention of the average person and he and his PR team are cynically using/abusing IMO their access to the press who for lack of a better phrase 'aren't fact checking' Pattis. Its sad in my mind that we are seeing reporters being treated as personal PR and mouthpieces for Pattisville and that editors in the food chains of the papers are allowing this to happen. So disappointing, but also so time consuming to correct in terms of our timelines. But the issue has been identified here on WS and we are working with it as we know what we are dealing with on this case!

IMO the State knew what was going on with the misinformation and called for the gag order. The issue is that the CT court slowness has meant that a decision hasn't been made on the issue. IMO this is quite unfortunate.

MOO