Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #30

[Megnut]

The NYPost article quotes FD as calling his wife a hermit. That steams me. 1. She had five young children at home. IF she NEVER left the house, to tend to them, it would be PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE. But 2. There's ZERO EVIDENCE she was any kind of hermit, and in fact, ABUNDANT EVIDENCE of how active she was WITH HER CHILDREN. School, sports, activities, etc., etc.
The sick truth in this is what FD was really saying. IMO in effect, "JF became less and less interested (controlled) into doing what I LIKED, what I WANTED to do. She didn't want to fawn over me. She didn't want to accept my need for serial affairs. She wouldn't even let me move my latest mistress in." To call him selfish doesn't BEGIN to cover it. It's too late but I pray that Jennifer finally gets the justice she fought for while she was alive. Her soul deserves to know her children are safe.

MOO MOO MOO

 

[Nanobody]

Patagonia a Caballo (@patagoniaacaballo) • Instagram photos and videos

Could this be where MT copied the recent knife post from? Theirs was posted about 5 days ago, not sure about MT's

 

[Tink56]

The NYPost article quotes FD as calling his wife a hermit. That steams me. 1. She had five young children at home. IF she NEVER left the house, to tend to them, it would be PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE. But 2. There's ZERO EVIDENCE she was any kind of hermit, and in fact, ABUNDANT EVIDENCE of how active she was WITH HER CHILDREN. School, sports, activities, etc., etc.
The sick truth in this is what FD was really saying. IMO in effect, "JF became less and less interested (controlled) into doing what I LIKED, what I WANTED to do. She didn't want to fawn over me. She didn't want to accept my need for serial affairs. She wouldn't even let me move my latest mistress in." To call him selfish doesn't BEGIN to cover it. It's too late but I pray that Jennifer finally gets the justice she fought for while she was alive. Her soul deserves to know her children are safe.

MOO MOO MOO

The NYP article is a prime example of lazy journalism. The writer grabbed bits from the Greek article (which, in relation to the marriage) was FD fantasy and the HC article about MT and FD "may have" broken up. This is the type of journalism is made for clicks and is damaging to the victim and the family and is reprehensible.

I'm sick of hearing that JFD withdrew in 2010....Yep, there probably were no "morning showers together," since JFD had just given birth to their youngest child and thus having five children under five requiring love, nurturing, and attention. JFD was not a 20-year-0ld mom. JD required sleep and a little nurturing herself, but I'm certain none was forthcoming from her immature husband who managed to be in Italy, skiing?, when his mother was njured and eventually died as a result of he Greek nanny hitting her with the car. So JFD was taking care of FD's mother, 5 children, and managing a nanny whose first language wasn't English. I'm tired thinking about this as I type. Throw in a little post-partum depression, and FD wins the most selfish husband/father imaginable.

However, this "reporter" picked up a few fooy tidbits, probably whispered in his ear by NP, and passes them off as reporting. This is journalism...this is hype for the defense...and Dean baby is going to hear about from me.

As far as MT and FD "breaking up" that only benefits FD. If she walks into court and recants her statements to the police, it can be said that she does so without any romantic entanglements with the defendant. Double, triple UGH! This gamesmanship should end...now.

The 2017 and 2018 garbage is not defensible. I gave the Greek report a "break" thinking it was an error in translation, but this reporter had obligation to check his "facts."
FD has stated he realized in 2016 that things were really over (translation: he was already sleeping with MT). He moved her into 4JX in 2017. Talk about poisoning a possible jury pool. Sloppy, sloppy news article written by an a poor reporter, or one who owes Norm a favor.

Being thoroughly disgusted, I'm taking the dog, who demands lots of attention, for a walk. Mind you, that's one dog.....I can't imagine 5 under 5.

 

[afitzy]

Patagonia a Caballo (@patagoniaacaballo) • Instagram photos and videos

Could this be where MT copied the recent knife post from? Theirs was posted about 5 days ago, not sure about MT's

@Nanobody, brilliant catch as that photo looks to be identical to the MT 'faux' 'stolen' image on her insta! The insta you posted had some absolutely beautiful images from the region and looked to be authentic. Great work!

 

[afitzy]

The NYPost article quotes FD as calling his wife a hermit. That steams me. 1. She had five young children at home. IF she NEVER left the house, to tend to them, it would be PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE. But 2. There's ZERO EVIDENCE she was any kind of hermit, and in fact, ABUNDANT EVIDENCE of how active she was WITH HER CHILDREN. School, sports, activities, etc., etc.
The sick truth in this is what FD was really saying. IMO in effect, "JF became less and less interested (controlled) into doing what I LIKED, what I WANTED to do. She didn't want to fawn over me. She didn't want to accept my need for serial affairs. She wouldn't even let me move my latest mistress in." To call him selfish doesn't BEGIN to cover it. It's too late but I pray that Jennifer finally gets the justice she fought for while she was alive. Her soul deserves to know her children are safe.

MOO MOO MOO

Yes, FD favourite tactic seems to be to 'recharacterize' the behavior of JF to fit his narrative. So, we see someone taking time to write or journal in real life and this become 'hermit like' and 'solitary' behavior to FD. Writing is a solitary task as its just someone with their brain and heart who then types away on their computer or writes away on a piece of paper.

I think the post below by @Tink56 perfectly nails the FD issue with how JF was spending her time and how increasingly her time was spent taking care of 5 small children, dog (think it was a labrador) and whatever time she could squeeze in to write and reflect or exercise. FD most likely resenting these changes in how JF spent her time as the years wore on as it didn't get him her 100% undivided attention and focus.

I've long believed that FD simply was the JF 'Sixth Child' and he required so much attention and hand holding that over time my guess is she just didn't have the energy and resented his ongoing demands for attention. But if you believe in the research behind the "Cycle of Violence" in DV (which I very much do), then it also makes sense that FD behavior over time was designed to break down the confidence and decision making choices of JF over time and create doubt and increased anxiety and make it seem like she was failing at everything she was doing. If she were a perfectionist or used to succeeding more often than not, such mental warfare campaign by FD would have been devastating to her on so many levels. Mental cruelty for some people is harder to bear than physical abuse and I don't doubt for a second that mental cruelty over time was the FD tactic of choice in breaking down JF.

FD said in his interview that he didn't fight with JF. I gave this stmt a big 'eye roll' when I first heard it because I didn't believe it. But its possible that he didn't need to fight with JF as he simply broke her down piece by piece over many years until she probably had difficulty sleeping and/or eating. Its even hard to write this all out but reading through the FC files does have me convinced that mental cruelty was a key tool FD used in his war against JF.

MOO

 

[sunshinegirl2013]

The NYPost article quotes FD as calling his wife a hermit. That steams me. 1. She had five young children at home. IF she NEVER left the house, to tend to them, it would be PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE. But 2. There's ZERO EVIDENCE she was any kind of hermit, and in fact, ABUNDANT EVIDENCE of how active she was WITH HER CHILDREN. School, sports, activities, etc., etc.
The sick truth in this is what FD was really saying. IMO in effect, "JF became less and less interested (controlled) into doing what I LIKED, what I WANTED to do. She didn't want to fawn over me. She didn't want to accept my need for serial affairs. She wouldn't even let me move my latest mistress in." To call him selfish doesn't BEGIN to cover it. It's too late but I pray that Jennifer finally gets the justice she fought for while she was alive. Her soul deserves to know her children are safe.

I saw that in the NY Post this morning, too, & had the same reaction. Ugh. He probably has a publicist. Norm is represented by Elite Lawyer Management, a public relations and legal talent marketing agency and Fore Group hired Guerrero, an executive communications and advancement firm to put their best foot forward so this is how they roll. Just remember you can't put lipstick on a pig!

 

[hivee]

The NYP article is a prime example of lazy journalism. The writer grabbed bits from the Greek article (which, in relation to the marriage) was FD fantasy and the HC article about MT and FD "may have" broken up. This is the type of journalism is made for clicks and is damaging to the victim and the family and is reprehensible.

I'm sick of hearing that JFD withdrew in 2010....Yep, there probably were no "morning showers together," since JFD had just given birth to their youngest child and thus having five children under five requiring love, nurturing, and attention. JFD was not a 20-year-0ld mom. JD required sleep and a little nurturing herself, but I'm certain none was forthcoming from her immature husband who managed to be in Italy, skiing?, when his mother was njured and eventually died as a result of he Greek nanny hitting her with the car. So JFD was taking care of FD's mother, 5 children, and managing a nanny whose first language wasn't English. I'm tired thinking about this as I type. Throw in a little post-partum depression, and FD wins the most selfish husband/father imaginable.

However, this "reporter" picked up a few fooy tidbits, probably whispered in his ear by NP, and passes them off as reporting. This is journalism...this is hype for the defense...and Dean baby is going to hear about from me.

As far as MT and FD "breaking up" that only benefits FD. If she walks into court and recants her statements to the police, it can be said that she does so without any romantic entanglements with the defendant. Double, triple UGH! This gamesmanship should end...now.

The 2017 and 2018 garbage is not defensible. I gave the Greek report a "break" thinking it was an error in translation, but this reporter had obligation to check his "facts."
FD has stated he realized in 2016 that things were really over (translation: he was already sleeping with MT). He moved her into 4JX in 2017. Talk about poisoning a possible jury pool. Sloppy, sloppy news article written by an a poor reporter, or one who owes Norm a favor.

Being thoroughly disgusted, I'm taking the dog, who demands lots of attention, for a walk. Mind you, that's one dog.....I can't imagine 5 under 5.

Yep, great post. Thank you.

 

[hivee]

Yes, FD favourite tactic seems to be to 'recharacterize' the behavior of JF to fit his narrative. So, we see someone taking time to write or journal in real life and this become 'hermit like' and 'solitary' behavior to FD. Writing is a solitary task as its just someone with their brain and heart who then types away on their computer or writes away on a piece of paper.

I think the post below by @Tink56 perfectly nails the FD issue with how JF was spending her time and how increasingly her time was spent taking care of 5 small children, dog (think it was a labrador) and whatever time she could squeeze in to write and reflect or exercise. FD most likely resenting these changes in how JF spent her time as the years wore on as it didn't get him her 100% undivided attention and focus.

I've long believed that FD simply was the JF 'Sixth Child' and he required so much attention and hand holding that over time my guess is she just didn't have the energy and resented his ongoing demands for attention. But if you believe in the research behind the "Cycle of Violence" in DV (which I very much do), then it also makes sense that FD behavior over time was designed to break down the confidence and decision making choices of JF over time and create doubt and increased anxiety and make it seem like she was failing at everything she was doing. If she were a perfectionist or used to succeeding more often than not, such mental warfare campaign by FD would have been devastating to her on so many levels. Mental cruelty for some people is harder to bear than physical abuse and I don't doubt for a second that mental cruelty over time was the FD tactic of choice in breaking down JF.

FD said in his interview that he didn't fight with JF. I gave this stmt a big 'eye roll' when I first heard it because I didn't believe it. But its possible that he didn't need to fight with JF as he simply broke her down piece by piece over many years until she probably had difficulty sleeping and/or eating. Its even hard to write this all out but reading through the FC files does have me convinced that mental cruelty was a key tool FD used in his war against JF.

MOO

Agreed. Great post @afitzy and I agree about the DV tactics likely used.

On another note, I'm assuming JF didn't have a dog at the time of the attack? Or it would be presented as evidence, correct? It would've heard what was going on. But I guess because FD was "lying in wait," he would've probably locked the dog up somewhere.
Also: I looked at my state's First Degree Murder requirements and "Lying in Wait" is included.

 

[afitzy]

Agreed. Great post @afitzy and I agree about the DV tactics likely used.

On another note, I'm assuming JF didn't have a dog at the time of the attack? Or it would be presented as evidence, correct? It would've heard what was going on. But I guess because FD was "lying in wait," he would've probably locked the dog up somewhere.
Also: I looked at my state's First Degree Murder requirements and "Lying in Wait" is included.

IDK 100% but it doesn't appear that JF had a dog while at Welles as no dog was mentioned in any of the AWs or even in the initial accounts by LE when they visited the Welles property.

Evidence of a dog exists on FD social media as does a cat and absent any info it appears that animals remained at 4Jx. My recollection is that the dog sadly passed away over the past 2 years but it is believed the cat is alive but it is unclear if the cat remains at 4Jx with FD.

 

[sunshinegirl2013]

@doyoulovemepfg, thanks for your view on this situation as I keep circling back to try and understand why MT would put her daughter in that situation by going to R school given the schools history with JF and the role JF played in the community.

R school is solid option but it just seemed like FD jammed the R school option on MT daughter and pushed the MT presence on the school and the school allowed it for whatever reason. I do wonder if MT daughter was irrelevant to FD (my suspicion) and the entire reason the daughter was pushed on R school was as part of FD revenge plan and MT wanted to jump in with both feet and 'help' accomplish the revenge as much as she could in the early days of the 'relationship'? This view might fit with what we see later when FD and MT effectively use MT daughter to circumvent the FC no contact order between the Dulos children and MT. If true, its all quite sick and twisted to say nothing of psychologically damaging to all children involved, including MT daughter who no doubt had little idea when she arrived at 4Jx what was in store for her. Parents using children for their own sick revenge fantasies is IMO sick.

I guess I just never believe there is one way to accomplish a goal and if the original goal was for MT daughter to attend EW, it just seemed like there were other possible ways to accomplish that goal, including attending public school locally.

I am curious about the MT daughter school choice of R school and I wonder if it were FD driven as realistically how much could MT have known about the area as so far as I know she had no connection to the area at all other than via FD? Whole situation just seemed odd IMO.

MOO

Honestly, I don't think it's that complicated. People often take the path of least resistance - according to firsthand accounts, FD was not an involved parent (other than waterskiing) so my guess is R school was familiar to him so it was a logical choice for MT's daughter as well (probably JD researched the schools, told FD what she found & that's how they picked it in the first place). I doubt MT had any knowledge about schools so she just went along with it. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

I’m with you in that I also hope MT has been here! I can’t recall much, if anything, that’s been posted in her favor though I’ll look a little closer tomorrow.

On another note, I think we’re going to see AW 3 soon. If LE is handing over ‘voluminous’ discovery...there’s something coming. If it’s the big one, the bond will also be big IMO and maybe she can sit in that cell and rethink her cooperation. MOO

@Morgan10028, I hope you are correct about AW3 and MT/FD heading back to jail soon.

I'm curious though if you believe that sitting in jail might have any impact on MT and her decisions and legal strategy? I know many defence atty's simply recommend to clients to say nothing and this seems to be the path that MT has been on as we haven't seen any cooperation agreement yet announced in court by Atty Colangelo.

As my many posts about MT can attest to, I find MT a baffling character to a certain extent. I think I've described her as amoral, self centered and not very intelligent and IMO this covers some of what we have seen from her in this tragic case, but I think more will be revealed in future AWs as you state and I do wonder about what depravity we just might see from MT? My guess is that MT was very much responsible for 'winding up' FD through the use of mind games and so I believe at a certain point premeditation for the murder of JF was present in BOTH FD AND MT, but we shall see where the evidence goes on this point as we haven't seen murder charges yet for either FD or MT.

I do think a consensus view has emerged where in WS over 29 threads about what people think and feel about MT. Early on we saw MT in NC jail which is not really a jail on par with BPT at all (its a cell with deli food menu! and a window)! I wonder if MT had been forced to sit in BPT whether her behavior and legal path might have been different than what we have seen? I also wonder STILL if MT truly understands that just on the present charges she could be in prison for 10 years or so? I'm not certain this is the case. I also wonder whether the early tears from MT and the horrible early photos had anything to do with the loss of FD or the simple fact she was caught and unmasked? I don't believe MT ever shed a tear for JF and its this fact that IMO will [REDACTED] kill her in front of any jury. In fact, I continue to be surprised that Atty Bowman wants MT in front of any jury because as a person in many respects she looks to be a stone cold mistress who would have zero hesitation about murdering JF herself IMO. Juries IMO aren't dumb and I do wonder why Atty Bowman doesn't argue for a bench trial given the 'optics' of his client?

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

IDK 100% but it doesn't appear that JF had a dog while at Welles as no dog was mentioned in any of the AWs or even in the initial accounts by LE when they visited the Welles property.

Evidence of a dog exists on FD social media as does a cat and absent any info it appears that animals remained at 4Jx. My recollection is that the dog sadly passed away over the past 2 years but it is believed the cat is alive but it is unclear if the cat remains at 4Jx with FD.

My recollection was the family dog stayed at 4JC and passed away not long before JF’s disappearance. FD wrote a memorial about how the dog had been the “twin” to the youngest child and had been a regular presence in the Fore office.
I remember being appalled that FD could mourn the loss of a family pet yet express no concern about the loss of the mother of his children, so soon thereafter.
MOO.

 

[afitzy]

https://nypost.com/2019/10/26/miche...utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

NP...pretty conniving.
Disappointed how much NP/FD narrative there is in this. Even quotes what FD said to the Greek paper.
This is a loophole to the gag order...his statements are being picked up by US press. NP has this idea, I bet, as a way to speak out and get quotes in the US media.
The PA should argue this.
The entire article is angled on how JF was unstable! This is victim abuse! He continues to abuse her.
This will taint a jury too.

I'm very curious as to the genesis of this NYP article. If the article came about via Atty. P. using his PR team as he threatened to Judge Blawie to do in the hearing on the 'gag order' then I do think Judge Blawie and Atty Colangelo need to nip this practice in the bud.

Its good I think that people on WS comment on these [REDACTED] articles and call them for what they are when we believe they are possible violations of the 'gag order' or pure ridiculousness such as the DA article about FD/MT 'possible breakup'. I'm not sure the broader public has the capacity to call these press articles for the [REDACTED] that they area and that if we don't continue to follow along that there will be no voice in opposition of the pure [REDACTED] that we continue to see from Atty. P./Pattisville and the Press in this tragic case. I am [REDACTED] angry about having to go through this process on these nonsense articles but I do believe that its sadly necessary if we ever hope to see justice served for JF.

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

@Nanobody, brilliant catch as that photo looks to be identical to the MT 'faux' 'stolen' image on her insta! The insta you posted had some absolutely beautiful images from the region and looked to be authentic. Great work!

Note that she stole the Martín Fierro quote that went along with their post too. Fierro ended up living as a fugitive, in addition to some of the more intriguing lines in the poem the text is taken from. Perhaps we are giving MT too much credit here though and she just wanted a pic with Patagonia and a knife.
Since we’ve been discussing her suspicious IG posts here she’s back to posting fake legit “rugs for sale” posts. It’s a pattern, whether it means anything or not. Maybe she enjoys giving WSers something to do while she charges her ankle bracelet. Game or not, she’s playing with fire (another code image that appears in her IG) by posting stuff like this when she’s facing such serious charges. Don’t know what AB is telling her, but stuff like this doesn’t help make her look innocent. There won’t be any rugs or IG in prison.

 

[Nanobody]

@Nanobody, brilliant catch as that photo looks to be identical to the MT 'faux' 'stolen' image on her insta! The insta you posted had some absolutely beautiful images from the region and looked to be authentic. Great work!

This wasn't my find, but thanks for the kind words! I didn't know this earlier this morning, but apparently someone with access to her account noticed that the post was updated to give credit. It does make me wonder how many of her posts are direct copies of others though.

IDK 100% but it doesn't appear that JF had a dog while at Welles as no dog was mentioned in any of the AWs or even in the initial accounts by LE when they visited the Welles property.

Evidence of a dog exists on FD social media as does a cat and absent any info it appears that animals remained at 4Jx. My recollection is that the dog sadly passed away over the past 2 years but it is believed the cat is alive but it is unclear if the cat remains at 4Jx with FD.

Yes, the dog did pass very recently. Unsure about the cat, but they were seen at a Fore Group event hosted at 4JX in December of last year. It would be interesting if he left behind pet DNA at any of the crime scenes.... MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Patagonia a Caballo (@patagoniaacaballo) • Instagram photos and videos

Could this be where MT copied the recent knife post from? Theirs was posted about 5 days ago, not sure about MT's

Amazing how did you find that? And they follow each other. MT copied the whole post to her own IG. Sickening !!!!!!!

 

[pandaknows]

Note that she stole the Martín Fierro quote that went along with their post too. Fierro ended up living as a fugitive, in addition to some of the more intriguing lines in the poem the text is taken from. Perhaps we are giving MT too much credit here though and she just wanted a pic with Patagonia and a knife.
Since we’ve been discussing her suspicious IG posts here she’s back to posting fake legit “rugs for sale” posts. It’s a pattern, whether it means anything or not. Maybe she enjoys giving WSers something to do while she charges her ankle bracelet. Game or not, she’s playing with fire (another code image that appears in her IG) by posting stuff like this when she’s facing such serious charges. Don’t know what AB is telling her, but stuff like this doesn’t help make her look innocent. There won’t be any rugs or IG in prison.

Gang members are never sorry. An insanity plea, muppet sweater notwithstanding, will not work now after so much has come out of MT's mouth that has been unrepentant, premeditated lies. MT's attorney (on the express orders of the brains behind MT's operation) did her a disservice by not raising the insanity defense earlier, with a full confession. IMO, MT can still get a deal by producing the body. That is the only way. But time is ticking as the required evidence may have been moved by now. And FD knows MT's proclivity to giving the finger to authority, despite what she must know now to be true, she has been tricked and betrayed. IMO. MOO.

 

[sds71]

Amazing how did you find that? And they follow each other. MT copied the whole post to her own IG. Sickening !!!!!!!

If you search her hashtags + Instagram or do a reverse image search
You can see where she gets them

 

[BellaVita]

@Morgan10028, I hope you are correct about AW3 and MT/FD heading back to jail soon.
As my many posts about MT can attest to, I find MT a baffling character to a certain extent.

My guess is that MT was very much responsible for 'winding up' FD through the use of mind games and so I believe at a certain point premeditation for the murder of JF was present in BOTH FD AND MT, but we shall see where the evidence goes on this point as we haven't seen murder charges yet for either FD or MT.

I also wonder whether the early tears from MT and the horrible early photos had anything to do with the loss of FD or the simple fact she was caught and unmasked?
MOO

RSBM to address these 3 points:
1. I am also baffled to an extent. FD doesn't baffle me at all. Of the things we KNOW she has done, they are terrible but I don't feel I know enough to get a good read on the WHY. Or even have a clue as to how far deep she is in as far as actually planning or committing this murder. We have been able to see years worth of court documents and interviews with FD, the movers who helped JD, JD blog posts. We know some details about MT past but not much more than surface details. I just don't feel I have her figured out. I would also like to know what FD told her about JD and their divorce. Probably this: She's crazy, our marriage has been over for a long time, in name only, she wants to cheat me out of the business I built, I have to get the kids away from her. I suspect that someday there will be a 48 Hours interview.

2. I don't think MT had to wind up FD. Maybe she did. She just seems so....milquetoast, boring as [REDACTED]. She could have gotten upset if the money started to dry up, but I don't think it ever truly dried up. I bet FD would liked to have dumped her a long time ago but she knows too much about FORE and he had to keep her happy. At least for the time being and definitely now. She should realize it could have been her that went missing instead of Jennifer.

3. I think the tears in the early [REDACTED] horrible photos were about the loss of a dream and the terrible situation she finds herself in. If she wasn't involved with planning/commission of the murder, she should have known very quickly afterwards what happened even if FD didn't spell it out to her. I would have went to police right away if I had no hand in this crime. I'm not going to prison for anyone. But that's just me. Not MT.

All MOO.

 

[sds71]

MT missed a few take downs