Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #32

[kimch33kim]

Espinoza known to alter and manipulate interviews per that article. Lots to think about IMO.

 

[Alathea]

Another thought, after considering the above facts:

• The police report shows that the patient (Dulos's mother) was coming from the passenger's side, and that the Driver (the nanny) was going to "load up the patient and a young child" - as passengers. So - the nanny was supposedly going to drive, though she didn't know how, and didn't have a license - at 7:10 pm with a "young child"? Where were the rest of the kids?

• With a 2004 Land Rover, the lights would most likely come on automatically - one wouldn't need to turn them on when it was dark.

• If the lights didn't come on automatically, one would have put the headlights on right away, before moving the car from where it was parked, not after moving the car.

• Why would anyone bend forward to see when car lights - particularly a car that large - come on? Per report: "As this was occurring, the Patient, located by the nose of the vehicle, bend [sic] forward to see when the lights came on."

• Even a new driver - especially a new driver - would have waited to be fully stopped before messing with headlights, or anything else.

• The nanny supposedly "heard a noise but didn't think anything of it" <- per police report. How does one not feel running over a person? Not a 'bump'?

• Nanny claimed she didn't know if she ran her over, or 'hit' her, but the police report clearly mentions tire tracks consistent with being "run over". So: did nanny also back up over her, to have the mother ("patient") out in the open afterwards? Otherwise, would she not still have been under the car?

My apologies for replying to my own post, however, I need to clarify my last bullet, after reading the police report again.

The nanny didn't back up over the grandmother (FD's mother). Rather, the report illustrates (and tire tracks were consistent with) the fact that she was run over by the front AND back tires.

In other words, she ran over her twice, effectively TWO "bumps" she didn't notice. But the child in the car, who screamed, DID notice.

All the more bizarre, IMO.

 

[Alathea]

Do we actually Know that MamaD said that? I would think that MamaD would have spoken to the Greek nanny in Greek, since the 'accident' report says the nanny did not speak English well. Then, depending on how much Greek JF knew, she may have misunderstood what MamaD was saying.

I know, probably grasping at straws here.

IMO.

Exactly. The majority of it was from FD's supposed translations of what the nanny said, yet he wasn't even there. Neither was JF.

When they told the police that the grandmother said it wasn't the nanny's fault, that was from the NANNY'S own account of what the G'ma had told the nanny, per the police report.

That is, the nanny claimed the grandmother - who was on the brink of death and apparently had a hard time conversing earlier- had said it wasn't her fault. If JF repeated that, it's still from the nanny's words as well. It's not likely JF could have stayed in the hospital overnight since the nanny was staying there, and FD was out of the country.

It's like the cops writing in a police report: "The robber, who spoke very little English, stated that the store owner said that it wasn't his fault that the he (the owner) got shot in the incident. The brother of the robber confirmed this to be true, because the robber told him so, and the brother translated it for us."

 

[kimch33kim]

Exactly. It was all from FD's translations, yet he wasn't even there. And neither was JF.

When they told the police that the grandmother said it wasn't the nanny's fault, that was from the NANNY'S own account, per the police report.

That is, the nanny claimed the grandmother (who was on the brink of death and apparently had a hard time conversing earlier) had said it wasn't her fault. If JF repeated that, it's still from the nanny's words as well.

It's like the cops writing in a police report: "The robber stated that the store owner said that it wasn't his fault that the he (the owner) got shot in the incident."

Not really

This part says he called JD and FD and JD said the same thing

 

[Alathea]

Not really View attachment 217496
This part says he called JD and FD and JD said the same thing

I thought so at first, but after re-reading it I now believe it was ALL from either FD's report or the nanny's account.

"Fotis stated his wife Jennifer was with Kleopatra..." <- this part is just FD stating that; he may well have had huge reasons to lie. It's said first, as if to make us think JD was there with Kleopatra - but JD doesn't really state that she was - it sounds more like JD's words were repeats of what she heard from the nanny - or, possibly, just from FD saying "this is what the nanny said." (Did JFD speak Greek enough to understand the Grandmother OR nanny?) It's not clear to me/I don't think that FD's mother said the words about "not her fault" directly to JF at all, even if she did understand Greek.

Here's why:

The grandmother was in the hospital by the time JFD got home; she died either overnight/early the next morning, or the next day. The nanny supposedly spent that night in the hospital, as the grandmother was dying. The nanny claimed - in police report - that the grandmother told her then, dying in the hospital overnight, that it wasn't her fault.

While I find it hard to believe Grandma could speak at all at that point, JD may well have believed and repeated what the nanny said (if the nanny told JD that the grandmother said it "wasn't her [the nanny's] fault") - or: what the nanny told FD, and then FD said to JD happened - third hand.

Grandma passed away the following day (it would help to know what time). While the nanny said she stayed at the hospital overnight (per PD), there's little likelihood that JD could also have done so, as she'd have needed to stay with the kids - FD was in Italy, as he made sure the police knew.

Neither JD nor FD were at the accident, but it was FD who gave the report (per clip below).

 

[kimch33kim]

Why would FD lie. The police was on the phone with both FD and JD at the same time . Also I'm not sure where it says the KD passed away the next day. I also cannot find any information on the exact day and time she died. JD arrived at the scene of the accident too before the police left 585 Deercliff Rd.

 

[Alathea]

Why would FD lie. The police was on the phone with both FD and JD at the same time . Also I'm not sure where it says the KD passed away the next day. I also cannot find any information on the exact day and time she died. JD arrived at the scene of the accident too before the police left 585 Deercliff Rd.

It's not clear to me that they were on the phone simultaneously. It was the same phone call, but it sounded to me as if it was one person speaking, and then the other.

Where it says grandmother died the next day is from the CT Death Index. It does not say what time though - as I mentioned earlier, that info would really help.

An ambulance brought the grandmother to the hospital - JD arrived to the scene/home after that.

As for the part bbm: "Why would FD lie." - that is what we have yet to find out.

ETA: Date of death from CT Death Index.
Removed: Part about JFD deferring to FD, as that was when they came to the house in person and JD said she didn't know about the grandmother's assets, but FD did.

 

[Alathea]

From CT Death Index

Shows date of death Sept 7, 2010, so it seems more likely she was in the hospital when she passed away. Perhaps it was just a delay until the police got that info?

@kimch33kim

 

[kimch33kim]

Thank you for finding that for me! I think Chicago54 is correct in that she passed away at the hospital too. JD did go to the hospital following the accident because she did arrive at the scene of the accident.

 

[Alathea]

Thank you for finding that for me! I think Chicago54 is correct in that she passed away at the hospital too. JD did go to the hospital following the accident because she did arrive at the scene of the accident.

I do not see any info to make me think that "JD did go to the hospital following the accident."

JD arrived home/at her house after the accident. The police were still there, after the ambulance had taken the grandmother.

It's not likely then that JD could have gone to the hospital, as she'd be home alone with all of the kids, no?

They also would have mentioned if JD were at the hospital, because it would have given it all more credibility.

 

[kimch33kim]

So if you are saying JD did not go to the hospital then you are also saying the phone interview part where JD is at KD bedside is false.

 

[sds71]

IMO, FD spoke the nanny and JD spoke for herself

 

[Alathea]

So if you are saying JD did not go to the hospital then you are also saying the home interview part where JD is at KD bedside is false.

Only FD said "JD was at KD bedside"; I would not take what FD says to be true.

And no, I do not think JD went to the hospital, as I don't think she could have with all the kids, and because it wasn't mentioned by police, and she didn't give details that made it seem likely.

 

[Alathea]

IMO, FD spoke the nanny and JD spoke for herself

Possible, but if all JD knew was what the nanny had said (not having been there and possibly not having spoken to grandmother and possibly not even speaking Greek), JD would have believed it, as she was a trusting individual.

What she knew may well have all come from FD ("the nanny said...") if she didn't speak Greek. That part is unknown.

 

[kimch33kim]

Someone else had to be watching the rest of the kids since JD arrived at the scene of the accident and Assuming that she didn’t bring the kids along to the scene, she probably did go to the hospital. Do you think she would feel right not going to the hospital when her MIL had fatal wounds ran over by an SUV? And Fd was out of country too. Based on the person we know JD to be I feel like she could have easily had someone watch the kids and gone to the hospital to be with KD.

 

[Alathea]

Someone else had to be watching the rest of the kids since JD arrived at the scene of the accident and Assuming that she didn’t bring the kids along to the scene, she probably did go to the hospital. Do you think she would feel right not going to the hospital when her MIL had fatal wounds ran over by an SUV? And Fd was out of country too. Based on the person we know JD to be I feel like she could have easily had someone watch the kids and gone to the hospital to be with KD.

I don't think JD thought the 'wounds' were fatal at that point - the hospital (per the nanny's report) had said she would recover. Perhaps she intended to go in the AM. There's no way to know at this point.

I thought it odd that FD left for Italy in the first place, if his mother were so injured from the fall in July to be 'bleeding internally,' as he claimed.

JD certainly was a caring individual, but her 5 kids would have to come first. I do not know if she had backup help to watch them that night, when neither the nanny nor the grandmother were available. If the grandmother were in intensive care, as would be expected, there's no saying JD could even see her right after the accident - I'm surprised the nanny was able to do so. JD may not have even been able to speak to or understand the grandmother given that she didn't speak much English.

 

[dlharris2712]

I thought it odd that FD left for Italy in the first place, if his mother were so injured from the fall in July to be 'bleeding internally,' as he claimed.
Proof, yet again, and continually - that FD doesn't give two CRAPS about anyone but himself. MT was probably waiting for him in Italy...for a whirlwind vacation. I wonder if anyone has heard him say..."I love my Mother, and I miss her very much". In the same way he talks about his kids. moo

 

[sds71]

Wasn’t KD bleeding internally from a broken arm?

 

[kimch33kim]

I don’t think he met MT in 2010 yet but he was a serial cheater according to JD friends so you’re probably right about that about what he was doing in ITALY. MOO

 

[Alathea]

Wasn’t KD bleeding internally from a broken arm?

She sustained a broken arm but also serious head injuries, which required a lot of stitches, from the same fall. When FD said she was bleeding internally he didn't say from where (or, how he knew if it were true, since she apparently went to a walk-in sort of emergency place). If it were true, why would a hospital let her out?

The pain meds she was supposedly still taking 2 months later were for the arm, he claimed, though. IIRC.