Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #33

[Jmoose]

Its interesting to hear your POV on this with Bowman and MT.

I actually see it slightly differently and I do think it all was very well played by Atty Weinstein - brilliantly actually and it gave so so much useful information to the State and GF about the role of MT IMO.

Here goes....for what its worth....

Because Atty Bowman and MT haven't spoken publicly and because MT lied to LE for over 2 months by spouting the alibi script, LE kinda/sorta/maybe/probably knew what she had done and didn't do but needed to flush it out and/or define it all more clearly but because she wasn't talking they couldn't get the info from the 'horses mouth' as it were!

So, enter the civil case.

We initially saw Atty Bowman working with Atty Weinstein on the terms of a deposition for MT BUT THEN we see a total about face where there would NOW be nothing MT could say on the record (other than her name) which would keep her safe from additional charges and out of prison until she was older and greyer! What changed during this period? Did MT perhaps share a bit more info with Atty Bowman about what her true role in everything regarding the disappearance might have been? We don't know for sure what happened but from the many Atty Weinstein deposition questions it became clear that much information is known about MT and her relationship with FD and the FORE Group. IMO the fact that the Judge only allowed 18 questions or so to be answered was irrelevant at that point because IMO LE and certainly Atty Weinstein knew the answers to all the deposition questions AT A MINIMUM as they no doubt knew so so much more about MT and her role with FD and FORE.

So, IMO only the MT deposition was simply an investigative tool that very effectively served its purpose. IMO it was so effective that MT didn't even need to speak as the actions of Atty Bowman SCREAMED the results to the world about the involvement of MT in the activities of FORE and FD IMO. IMO also I think Atty Bowman grossly miscalculated his actions and didn't deftly manage his situation as it screamed of desperation. But, thats ok because it proved in my feeble mind at least that the MT legal situation is absolutely desperate and probably as desperate as that of FD. After the Atty Bowman show in Civil Court, IMO MT looks to be an EQUAL PARTNER with FD in the disappearance of JD without question. We will have to wait and see if MT was in the garage at Welles or in the garage at 80MS etc. But I would not be at all surprised to see murder or conspiracy to murder charges bought against MT in the future.

So, to kinda answer the initial question, No, I don't believe MT got away with anything. She didn't get away with anything because by not talking she actually shared more with LE IMO than answering the basic questions on the Atty Weinstein deposition! MT simply sunk herself even deeper into a legal quagmire that will make it virtually impossible (absent some deal from the State) to stay out of prison for many many years IMO.

I do wonder though why Atty Bowman wasn't taking notes during the Frazee trial to possibly assist his client (maybe he was IDK). My guess though is that the 2 cases are different because MT most likely is much more deeply involved than Krystal Kenny ever was; but who knows?

I do hope the State took note of the Atty Bowman antics on behalf of his client. I also very much hope the State looks carefully into bank fraud and possible federal charges for MT, FD and GV due to their house flip deal with FD giving MT $75,000 etc. But my guess is that this is small change compared to the many other things done by FORE, MT, FD and GV and that we will have to wait and see what the State and Federal authorities come up with as their strategy.

But no, MT got away with Zero and the laser beam of the State and Federal authorities is no doubt smack dab in the middle of her forehead at this point. MT is going nowhere fast IMO on her present course.

MOO MOO MOO

All of this sounds right to me-and I am hopeful that MT gets what she has coming to her, along with her loverboy

 

[rjay]

Yes, we are BACK to Jennifer is alive and I wish she would just walk through the door that we first heard in the Dateline interview. Pathetic and Sad.

Exactly! He should be expressing his sympathy to his children and grandmother of his children that they are suffering without Jennifer in their lives during this holiday season! Not wishing the missing person a happy day.

Very sad indeed for Jennifer’s family.

 

[rjay]

DBM
Duplicate

 

[dlharris2712]

OMG.
We are confident that after 2 years the harassment by his MIL is over.
Gag me.
MOO.

If FD keeps this up - he should be happy that GF doesn't have Albanian body-guards watching over the children...would hate for them to bring on the "big guns"...the
Rudaj Organization...aka "The Corporation"...moo

 

[afitzy]

I just wanted to put the link to LA deposition in the Civil Trial into this thread for discussion as I believe the combative probing by Atty BM shows the direction the Defense might be going in it eternal quest to find an alternative theory for FD (ditto for Atty Bowman and MT too IMO).

The document is the pretrial brief filed by Atty Weinstein and what follows are 2 depositions (LA deposition is last).

The brief summaries a few key points expected to arise at trial and also deals with the mysterious affadavit from FD 'friend' Yannis who I believe has provided at least one 'friend loan' to FD for RE. Somehow in only legal alchemy that Atty BM can perform and have the courage to submit to the Court, it appears that Yannis made it to CT one way or another (its unclear if he came in person or if he was channeled via Medium from wherever he happened to be) and provided an affidavit of some sort. TO be noted is that Atty Weinstein got no notice about Yannis and so had no opportunity to meet the great man in person to depose him. Nope, none of this happened yet Atty BM is asking Judge Noble to take whatever is on the affidavit seriously. Mmmmmm. Sorry, but I have to call total BS on this move and perhaps Atty Weinstein might agree and that is why he flagged this bit of legal alchemy IDK? I do wonder though whether Yannis did ever set foot in CT and risk deposition or possible detention by CT LE as its quite unclear if he really has provided actually funding (yep good ole cash!) to FD or if he just might have kinda/sorta/maybe signed on a dotted line of a loan agreement to say that FD/FORE owes him quite a lot of money. Its all a bit murky but that simply seems to be the way things are in Fotisville most days.

The LA deposition explains something about FD/FORE billing practices and confirms that JD paid for childcare expenses of LA. IMO the bullying, threats and intimidation of LA by Atty BM and FD were unnecessary but they happened in the deposition. Sad tactics from desperate folks IMO and totally par for the course with this Pattisville legal crew, but unfortunate that LA, her family and BF have to be subjected to this treatment IMO.

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18241474

 

[Alathea]

Just reflecting a bit on the Daily Mail images of an emotional and crying FD trying to hold it together after the trial ended today in Hartford, CT.

JD fought hard in Family Court with the assistance of strong legal counsel for basic justice and custody of her 5 children for nearly 2 years and against an adversary in FD that had no issue lying on the stand, paying nothing towards the maintenance of his children and living a life beyond his means with an amoral mistress that was simply on the party train IMO. JD ended up missing and is now sadly presumed long dead (despite the fact that FD today wished her Happy Holidays outside the Hartford Courthouse!) and won't be there for her children or family going into this holiday season.

I'm not sure exactly what justice looks like in the case where a mother of 5 young children is made to disappear. FD has demonstrated no duty of care or responsibility for his 5 children IMO in any of his personal or professional behaviour that has been so well documented in Family and now Civil Court and so that whatever happens in terms of penalty must be all encompassing. He has given the finger to virtually every Judge that has had the misfortune to meet him as he made he way through the CT Judical system of Family and Civil Court.

I'm glad the Daily Mail captured the many images of the emotional FD in court and with tears in his eyes as they so perfectly memorialize the great contrast between the FD behaviour seen today and when he went to the NCPD headquarters on 5/25 at 9am and left after providing NO assistance to LE in their attempts to locate JD with his then lawyer, Pyetranker.

Not ONCE has FD shed a tear or care (ditto for MT) for JD, her family or his children and the tears today we saw proved that yet again the only thing the FD cares about is himself. We saw no FD emotion in the Sarah Wallace interview and even less IMO in the Dateline interview as he was IMO chillingly cold. I'm not sure the tears today were relief that the trial was over or some continuing delusional belief that he somehow prevailed over GF, but one thing seemed clear and that IMO was that the tears had ZERO do with the missing and now presumed dead JD or her family or his children and they no doubt had everything to do with the only person in FD's world which is himself.

IMO those images of a crying FD trying to keep it together as he did the long perp walk to his car with his atty and his 'sister' are a fitting end to a trial that didn't need to happen IMO and only happened because of circumstances created entirely by FD IMO. We have witnessed abuse of process first by Atty KM and then Atty BM who elevated disregard of basic courtroom procedure to new heights of awfulness IMO. We saw FD blow off court appearances and depositions multiple times and yet again (and just like Family Court) there were no consequences ever. I hope Judge Noble has the wisdom to see through the lies and FD crocodile tears and send FD and FORE group into supervised receivership so that no more potential exists for abuse of GF and the Farber family and that the financial interests of the 5 children are protected. No word on whether GAL Meehan fired up the Maserati and went to Hartford today to make sure the interests of the 5 Dulos children were well looked after in the Civil Case!

As an aside, I do wonder why Judge Heller hasn't ruled on the 2 motions to dismiss GAL Meehan as he surely has to be disposable at this point after the psych report fiasco and the finalisation of the GF temp custody motion? More issues for another day I guess!

Who wouldn't cry in pain if they figuratively doused themselves with gasoline and then lit themselves, their family and their life on fire such as we have seen FD do now since 2010? He is a guy that has been living a self fabricated lie of a life with his wife since 2010 by his own accounts and then moved on with an amoral mistress by his side since 2015 and he fuelled their lavish lifestyle with money that didn't belong to him. He has been arrested twice so far in connection with his wife's disappearance for whom he expressed zero concern during the entire time since she vanished on 5/24/19. The tears of today were no doubt relief that his personal pain and ongoing sense of persecution was blessedly over. Watching FD on the stand was painful as he had to work so hard to answer as truth simply wasn't an available option IMO. Tears could also have been for the relief that he didn't face additional perjury charges after his nearly 2 days of testimony! Sorry, not sorry that I can find zero compassion for the tears of FD as he made his way through a self created hellish legal situation!

My guess is that FD believes the total BS spouted by Atty BM that he was 'harassed' by GF and that yet again today felt the victim and so on come the tears. Fitting end to just one sad chapter of the life of FD which has been written, choreographed and acted in full by the man himself with minor appearances by a cast of legal characters who facilitated in full the FD abuse of the CT legal system IMO. It was a sorry case to watch but I don't think FD felt any shame or remorse for creating the entire fiasco. Nope. Shameless.

No doubt the next sad chapter will end with a jury conviction, orange jumpsuit and a long stay in either a State or Federal facility. I do wonder if FD will also cry then and whether he will ever shed a tear of remorse for any of his life choices or for how his choice have impacted his 5 children?

Don't think we will ever see remorse from FD ever.

MOO

Well said re: the important contrast between FD's behavior yesterday in court vs when the mother of his children was first missing - as well as anything to do with her since then. (If he cared for his children, he'd never have said anything like that.)

As to the cause of FD's TIC (tears in court), I think it's far more simple than most are speculating.

I really think the tears are - very simply - about the loss of money coming in (for free, from the Farbers) that he can waste on a frivolous lifestyle.

It's not even about himself. It's about money. And control.

After all, he killed for money (and an attempt to control). He'll certainly cry over it.

ETA: CONTROL - a big part of his personality, motive, and obvious throughout the relationship with Jennifer.

 

[Alathea]

This has to turn people off... doesn't it? I mean, is there anyone in the know who believes that Jennifer is off living her best childfree life somewhere, hiding out in secret? Especially when the statement comes from her estranged accused ex-husband?

This has to turn people off... doesn't it?
YES. He is so out of touch, he doesn't realize that making that comment made him look even worse (if that's even possible!), particularly regarding his lack of caring for the children's well-being. His lawyers should have advised him not to say anything like that. It shows the high level of delusion in which he's operating!

I mean, is there anyone in the know who believes that Jennifer is off living her best childfree life somewhere, hiding out in secret?
No one in their right mind. Not even his lawyers, most likely.

Especially when the statement comes from her estranged accused ex-husband?
A comment like that is particularly offensive - and telling - when it comes from the killer. It's been done before by other spouse-murderers. It's obvious, and shows how over-confident and out of touch a murderer is.

 

[sds71]

NP added to defense
Farber v. Dulos
Attorney:

NORMAN ALEXANDER PATTIS (408681)
383 ORANGE ST, 1ST FLOOR
NEW HAVEN, CT 06511 File Date: 12/03/2019

 

[Alathea]

NP added to defense
Farber v. Dulos
Attorney:

NORMAN ALEXANDER PATTIS (408681)
383 ORANGE ST, 1ST FLOOR
NEW HAVEN, CT 06511 File Date: 12/03/2019

NOT surprising. Who is paying for him? CT taxpayers?

 

[afitzy]

Well said re: the important contrast between FD's behavior yesterday in court vs when the mother of his children was first missing, and anything to do with her since then.

As to the cause of FD's TIC (tears in court), I think it's far more simple than most are speculating.

I really think the tears are - very simply - about the loss of money coming in (for free, from the Farbers) that he can waste on a frivolous lifestyle.

It's not even about himself. It's about money.

After all, he killed for money. He'll certainly cry over it.

I can see this theory with no issue!

Yep, no money for FD in the future but from what we learned there are no doubt complex probate issues percolating in the background. So, I hope these issues get resolved such that even final custody can be finalised in advance of more charges for FD and MT. I do think the FD decision to hit the stand in the Civil Case was a poor one was that no doubt any/all that testimony can now play in on ALL future litigation, and will no doubt play out in Probate Court and Family Court at some point.

FD is quite transparent about the whole 'money' issue IMO and the fact that the MT started even earlier than originally speculated proves that FD just wanted the Farber money train to keep chugging away too. No wonder Atty. P. put his heads into his hands when he heard in court that the MT/FD (aka FO+HO show!) started in 2015 as the MOTIVE simply got stronger and stronger for BOTH MT and FD to do away with JD IMO.

I think you NAILED it the EQUATION FOR FO + HO = MONEY = MOTIVE = JD MURDER

(I know its an kinda/sorta/maybe unbalanced equation but it puts all the issues cleaning in one place for now for discussion purposes)!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

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NP added to defense
Farber v. Dulos
Attorney:

NORMAN ALEXANDER PATTIS (408681)
383 ORANGE ST, 1ST FLOOR
NEW HAVEN, CT 06511 File Date: 12/03/2019

@sds71 was this just to record the fact that he was in court yesterday or are they already planning an appeal or is Atty. P. taking over the case?

 

[afitzy]

Civil Trial - Atty BM motion - Detail about offsetting amts owed to GF/Trust with amts owed to FD/FORE for work on Mallard Rd Project in Pound Ridge, NY

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18243063

 

[Alathea]

I can see this theory with no issue!

Yep, no money for FD in the future but from what we learned there are no doubt complex probate issues percolating in the background. So, I hope these issues get resolved such that even final custody can be finalised in advance of more charges for FD and MT. I do think the FD decision to hit the stand in the Civil Case was a poor one was that no doubt any/all that testimony can now play in on ALL future litigation, and will no doubt play out in Probate Court and Family Court at some point.

FD is quite transparent about the whole 'money' issue IMO and the fact that the MT started even earlier than originally speculated proves that FD just wanted the Farber money train to keep chugging away too. No wonder Atty. P. put his heads into his hands when he heard in court that the MT/FD (aka FO+HO show!) started in 2015 as the MOTIVE simply got stronger and stronger for BOTH MT and FD to do away with JD IMO.

I think you NAILED it the EQUATION FOR FO + HO = MONEY = MOTIVE = JD MURDER

(I know its an kinda/sorta/maybe unbalanced equation but it puts all the issues cleaning in one place for now for discussion purposes)!

MOO

Agreed! FD is transparent about the whole money issue... and it's becoming clearer now that we know the F&H show has been on the road for longer than previously thought. (Earlier, we wondered about some other trips FD had taken, but thought "oh, those were before MT..." now we know they weren't!)

I think the equation for murder was a little more complex when it comes to FD (and you're right on for MT):

MONEY + CONTROL = MOTIVES FOR MURDER.

(I edited my post above to add "control" as he has certainly shown his obsessive need for both in the past - including control in the marriage, over the kids, etc., and continues to do so, even in court.)

 

[Myvice]

Hmm, considering there is no gag order on the civil case, maybe NP just wants on board to give him a platform to launch his assault missles from.

The need to be in the public eye is great for NP. He must have been disappointed that the trial wasn't broadcast live. Moo

 

[sds71]

Dulos attorney appeals gag order to CT Supreme Court
HARTFORD — Fotis Dulos’ criminal attorney Norm Pattis has filed a brief with the State Supreme Court outlining why the court should reverse the gag order on the Jennifer Dulos disappearance case.

Pattis says Dulos is entitled to a “bold defense” and argues that the ability to speak out in defense is part of his strategy.

Hearings are scheduled for December 12 at 10 am at the Ct Supreme Court in Hartford.

 

[Tink56]

Civil Trial - Atty BM motion - Detail about offsetting amts owed to GF/Trust with amts owed to FD/FORE for work on Mallard Rd Project in Pound Ridge, NY

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18243063

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[Jmoose]

He wi

Dulos attorney appeals gag order to CT Supreme Court
HARTFORD — Fotis Dulos’ criminal attorney Norm Pattis has filed a brief with the State Supreme Court outlining why the court should reverse the gag order on the Jennifer Dulos disappearance case.

Pattis says Dulos is entitled to a “bold defense” and argues that the ability to speak out in defense is part of his strategy.

Hearings are scheduled for December 12 at 10 am at the Ct Supreme Court in Hartford.

He’ll get his chance in court to speak out in his defense, or have his team and witnesses do it-isn’t that how it works? Besides, NP and FD have the Hartford Courant on their side.

 

[Tink56]

Civil Trial - Atty BM motion - Detail about offsetting amts owed to GF/Trust with amts owed to FD/FORE for work on Mallard Rd Project in Pound Ridge, NY

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18243063

BTW....On the day the trial begins, it seems a tad remiss to notice one's defense. How does this type of action pass the fairness doctrine????

 

[pernickety]

Dulos attorney appeals gag order to CT Supreme Court
HARTFORD — Fotis Dulos’ criminal attorney Norm Pattis has filed a brief with the State Supreme Court outlining why the court should reverse the gag order on the Jennifer Dulos disappearance case.

Pattis says Dulos is entitled to a “bold defense” and argues that the ability to speak out in defense is part of his strategy.

Hearings are scheduled for December 12 at 10 am at the Ct Supreme Court in Hartford.

Yesterday a member asked whether NP represented either one of the Cheshire killers. In googling, I found he didn’t represent either one of them, but found one of his blog posts on the cases, with these interesting bits about Atty Jeremiah Donovan’s violation of a court gag order. NP didn’t say anything about “unconstitutional” or “prior restraint” at that time.

Killing Justice; Killing Hayes

“…Donovan will face a show cause hearing before Superior Court Judge Roland Fasano today. The judge will have to determine what to do about the fact that Donovan wasn't supposed to comment publicly about the case, but then went ahead and did so anyhow. He violated a gag order. It s abundantly clear he violated that order…

“Jeremiah Donovan was in contempt of a court order. He should pay a fine and move on. The drama of the event was a flash in the pan. There was no prejudice to any party. We're now sated with all we could ever want to know about Komisarjevsky. Let the focus return to Steven Hayes, who, in a different courtroom, will resume his silent vigil as his lawyers try to save his life…”

 

[dlharris2712]

ITA! I hope Judge Noble lives up to his name and is noble and does his due diligence. Moo

Unfortunately, I don't think Judge "Noble"(for whatever reason)...has the "stones" to make the right decisions. Watching the short snip of video - he doesn't even seem to be paying attention to what is being said (looking at his laptop; fiddling around with stuff on his desk; looking around at stuff on the desk). moo