Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

[oceancalling]

Agree with you on the child abuse issue and parental access!

The Family Court file is now mainly sealed and I understand and respect this. I think it's probably sufficient to say that multiple psychologists were involved, extensive treatment was ongoing and that CPS referral was urgently recommended by psychologist.

IMO these children had been put through the wringer emotionally and even with professional support were in tough shape. JFd gave 1000% to her children and so they had support and help from her and professionals but while this helps, children still have to work through a hugely painful process and sadly some don't make it through the other end which is tragic. GF by all accounts has continued to focus on mental health of the children but my suspicion is that it will be an ongoing battle for this children unfortunately.

Also, while this is speculative theory, consider the idea that children had an idealised view of their father for whatever reason. They didn't understand that they were being manipulated and being asked to lie on his behalf. They didn't understand possibly the manipulation of MT and her daughter and any unauthorised contact that these 2 conducted to get around the Judge Heller ruling that IMO stupidly didn't include a no contact order for MT and her daughter so far as I can tell from the file. So, these children were manipulated by virtually everyone they met through their father and most importantly by their father himself. I won't even go there on the "Greek Family" but IMO they were all part of this manipulation plan of the children too. JFd was tasked with managing this situation with the children and then they weren't able to see their father due to A CHOICE HE MADE FOR !) MONTHS! This IMO was a totally explosive and highly emotional situation that JFd was forced to manage and IMO Fd knew what he was doing and he knew what it was doing to the children and JFd. My guess is he was doing it to make the children hate her and she was forced to figure out how to manage this process without having this happen. Talk about difficult circumstances but yet again, the circumstances were dictated completely by the fact that Fd CHOSE to not see his children and so was able to manipulate them without actually being able to see them. Fd IMO was choosing to POISON his family with anger and hate and he was hoping that this anger and hate was directed back at JFd. IF anyone ever questions JFd sanity or stress levels or anxiety, just give some thought to managing 5 young children going through this experience and loving each of the children with all of her heart. Fd was IMO evil and diabolical in his choices and didn't care one bit about the children ever.

I usually don't talk about children of victims as with DV IMO the children are the ultimate victims here.

The only reason I am talking here about the 5 children is IMO Fd 'weaponzied' the children to use the great love JFd felt for them as a means to torture and torment her. I don't for a second believe that Fd cares at all about any of his children but he values them because they represent powerful tools that can be used against the people that do love them and that do care about them.

It makes me profoundly sad to think about what JFd endured due to her great love of her children. It makes me profoundly angry that non physically violent DV such as what I believe Fd inflicted on JFd and his 5 children is not one of the crimes that he is presently charged with in this tragic case. IMO the damage Fd inflicted on his children is real and potentially life changing. I am glad that State Atty Colangelo was able to move up the filing of the murder charges in this case to make the 1/9 Custody Appeal request by Fd not possible.

I just keep going back to one of the first lines in the Atty Rochlin Custody Appeal motions, "Fd is a loving father" or something along those lines.

Really? If what we have seen in this sorry case and in Family Court has anything to do with "love" then I'm not sure what "hate" would look like?!?!?


MOO

There is no doubt he was trying to split those kids from their mother, especially the two oldest boys. Had they been a few years older, he would have insisted that their "voice" be heard. Even after murdering their mother, he tried to speak for the boys in court, demanding they be given their "own" representation. Reprehensible and far, far more common than people might believe. Although some may disagree, parental alienation syndrome actually exists, and, IMO Dulos was doing everything is his power to pull those kids away from their mother.

 

[NCmom99]

Maybe it was a gradual building of knowledge that FD might try to kill me. To FD wants me dead, IMO.

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As much as she may have had that suspicion, it well could have alternated with double thinking that no, that is just too crazy and impossible to fathom. After getting through the surprise Wednesday night visit without an altercation she may have been feeling relieved and let her guard down for a day or two. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Given that some of the most newsworthy trials in CT and NYC have taken as long as 5 years to go to trial, FD riddle me this!
-Where are you going to live once the bank takes your big mansion that doesn't belong to you away?
-How is going to feel when your two oldest children, who will be 18, are sitting in the front row of the courtroom, staring you down, waiting for justice for their mom. Think of all the horrid details they get to read about what you did to JD, if they aren't already reading about them now. If anything, they
are going to give you the worst judgment when all this comes to an end!

So true! This is why he should not been given bail, imo.
Once he finally admits to himself that hehe’ll cowardly take his own life in that big mansion that doesn’t belong to him.

 

[CTGrammy]

There is no doubt he was trying to split those kids from their mother, especially the two oldest boys. Had they been a few years older, he would have insisted that their "voice" be heard. Even after murdering their mother, he tried to speak for the boys in court, demanding they be given their "own" representation. Reprehensible and far, far more common than people might believe. Although some may disagree, parental alienation syndrome actually exists, and, IMO Dulos was doing everything is his power to pull those kids away from their mother.

It has Always been about the Money with Fd and the children Represent Money to him.

IMO.

 

[oceancalling]

My opinion and I know it’s his job
He defends men that rape 8 and 10 yr old girls ,child pornographers, crooked politicians and drug dealers - everyone loves him[/QUOTE

IMO, his clients 'love' him and he may have some inside relationship with members of the media. As far as I can tell, however, he lacked the badges of a highly respected defender before entering this case. He might have had a regional reputation, but most people had never heard of him, and if they did hear his name, did not put a name with a face.

Was he a designated Super Lawyer, or recognized by Best Lawyers in America, or rated AV-Pre-Eminent by Martindale? Was he in American Inns of Court or invited into the prestigious American College of Trial Lawyers? Was he on the board of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers? Had he written articles in professional journals or been recognized by members of his state Bar for his work in the criminal justice system? Or was he waiting for his "big break" with a high profile case? I think the answer these questions is clear.

He is counting on this case to make him a bona fide TV lawyer, and he probably has already accomplished that goal, which IMO, establishes exactly what type of reputation he deserves. Good defenders, the ones who view their work as a true calling, even those who defend individuals accused of horrendous crimes, have a code. Never, ever think that you are smarter than the media or the public. Never, ever use your client to enhance your own reputation. Never, ever be disrespectful of the victim of their families publicly, unless it is absolutely necessary to a vigorous defense of your client. His complete lack of disregard for the basic rules of integrity is what makes him a bad lawyer not, at least to me, his decision to represent FD. Dulos is a murderer. Patter is a tool.

 

[oceancalling]

Eh. If NP is super well-respected in CT, not sure what that says about CT. And really? NP understands justice in a way most people don't? Can a statement be any more elitist? WT[REDACTED]! Most college professors in all fields are sitting in their ivory towers, out of touch with common sense and love to champion the rights of dirtbags. I would like to know of a case where the evidence could actually go either way and if NP has ever won such a case. I've known bombastic loudmouths(I know, redundant for emphasis)and the people who love them. They're disgusting and not to be admired. MOO.

I agree. A Yale professor, not a Harvard one like Alan Dershowitz? Yawn.

 

[Tink56]

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As much as she may have had that suspicion, it well could have alternated with double thinking that no, that is just too crazy and impossible to fathom. After getting through the surprise Wednesday night visit without an altercation she may have been feeling relieved and let her guard down for a day or two. MOO

And, FD emphasized that he and Jennifer "were getting along great" before her disappearance. I think he had turned on the charm to achieve his goals. When she didn't back down on the financials, he went to plan B...disappearance and murder.

MT had to know about his frustration with JFd. Jennifer stated in family court records that Fd had horrible revenge fantasies that he vented to her. Don't think his behavior changed in his relationship with MT. However, I do think MT ignored what he said....often. (Or, she didn't understand...????) She probably heard all of his desires to send JFd out of his life. And, if she could "remember" might be very helpful to LE.

 

[sds71]

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[sds71]

I was talking about Bowman not Pattis

 

[Boxer]

Norm Pattis is super well-respected around here (Connecticut). I have a professor at Yale who was saying that NP understands justice in a way most people don’t, and he is typically smarter than most people around him at trial. A Yale Law professor who has been following the case told me that NP as FD’s lawyer gives him the absolute greatest opportunity to be acquitted.

I can see Pattis has an understanding of LAW, but of JUSTICE I doubt.

 

[amis]

So true! This is why he should not been given bail, imo.
Once he finally admits to himself that hehe’ll cowardly take his own life in that big mansion that doesn’t belong to him.

Any idea of the foreclosing process - an estimate for when he will need to leave the house?

 

[Mind your biscuits]

I've been thinking about the ten rolls of paper towels plus the empty roll in the kitchen. Maybe he hosed himself off and dried off with the paper towels. I also think that the banging was him breaking down that old bike, the mechanical one not MT. Moo.

 

[MyBelle]

Haha!

I love you @Midwestmom2019 and respect your POV but IMO Atty. P. as a Judge EVEN IN THE WILD WILD WEST COURTS OF CT is simply a very long bridge TOO FAR!

My guess is that if this was the chosen career path of Atty. P. that he would not have made all the choices he has made in over the course of his practice. Atty. P.'s 'ship has sailed' long ago IMO to a seat on any Court.

Even the rogues gallery of CT Judges I'm not sure there is room for Atty. P.'s selective understanding and practice of the law broadly defined IMO! I'm sadly not sure Atty. P. has respect for the law and he certainly IMO hasn't demonstrated respect for procedure and rules in the State of CT or CT State Bar either. IMO we need Judges willing to enforce the law, not flaunt the edges of exiting laws.

Sorry but this is the most diplomatic I can be on this topic.

MOO!

There is at least one judge in CT who has refused to tolerate the games NP tries to play with the judicial process. Just a guess but I bet it is just the tip of the iceberg.

As someone else points out, if there has been no crime, why would one of the arrested trio "flip" against Fd?

Alex Jones Lawyer Called ‘Sloppy’ By Regulatory Panel

 

[Alathea]

Re: NP.

One can decide to not defend a client.

NP chooses the rapists and wife-murderers as his clients. He states that these are his chosen clients ("the indefensible" or some such comment).

He clearly displays his disregard for women and children with his comments.

He is absolutely DESPISED in most of CT. Newtown CT simply hates his guts, for good reason. Much of NC feels the same.

Then, we get to how women (for his defense of rapists) and democrats (for his defense of outing the "whistleblower") abhor him.

No, he is not loved by many, but I'm sure he's admired by some.


ETA: Re: @sds71's important point regarding Bowman defending pedophiles - I have no comment there, except UGH.

 

[kaen]

I can see Pattis has an understanding of LAW, but of JUSTICE I doubt.

While I find the man's stretching of the facts and rhetoric fairly repulsive, he is doing his job in ensuring justice for his client. IMO, better that Fd has a competent lawyer who pursues the avenues of the system designed to create optimal processes for those accused than have a lawyer who does not. The facts are on the side of conviction for murder in this case. I doubt that Pattis will find a jury who would believe that Fd was innocent. People like Pattis bluster and blowhard and it makes us all frustrated. However, if I had a family member accused of a crime (and I believed them to be innocent) I would want a strong advocate who knew the system and left no stone unturned in securing a just verdict. Justice is not served by the defense or prosecution teams. Justice is served by juries and judges who weigh the facts as presented by those teams. I know that JFd will be served by those who hear this case and have to determine whether or not Fd killed her. I look forward to that day.

 

[MyBelle]

Or close to it. Because of the kidnap charge, I wonder if LE believes she was still alive, certain to die without medical intervention, when put into the Suburban. I agree with you, though, LittleBitty. If he was at her house for 2 hours that morning, she was dead when he left with her. I wonder if moving or forcing Jennifer to move within the residence is sufficient to establish kidnapping in CT? If so, perhaps that is why that charge was included. Otherwise, why the kidnap charge?

Excellent analysis of how this case is going to be presented. This investigation has been meticulous. As the facts continue to emerge, the ugly picture of Fotis Dulos is going to surprise even those of us here. I know there are connecting evidentiary links from the phones and computers that will establish the timeline of his planning. Then, there are the human witnesses, including everyone who worked for the GAL. The details of that change in visitation location are going to be of interest to the jury.

I think the kidnapping charge is because they found the zip ties used to restrain her.

JMO

 

[sds71]

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[MyBelle]

MOO I believe the moment he restrained Jennifer, in her house the kidnap segemnt of the crime began.

I just went through the AW3 and MT interviews provide critical evidence in the case.

Notably she confirms they were the people in the Raptor on Albany Ave 5/24/2019.
What legal argument will NP bring to try and suppress the evidence of FD having JFds bloody clothes in his possession ans trying to get rid them and other evidence in an untracable way?

He almost did get rid of it all. Only two bags and a box recovered.
Bed liner, bicycle, knife and apparently many more bags not recovered.

I think the body is in water and that is also where the bicycle will be found. I've always felt she's in water because bodies of water are so "special" to Fd and his water skiing mania over the kids. That heavy framed bicycle would weigh the body down. Even in death, he has to control JD's location and leave a reminder of himself with her. He is a monster.

JMO

 

[Alathea]

I was talking about Bowman not Pattis

So Bowman defends pedophiles? Interesting in itself.

:/

 

[MyBelle]

FD was at WL for 2 hours and 20 minutes after JD arrived there. He didn't get out of there quickly. He was there a very long time. LE has said that the amount of blood loss in the garage points to a grave injury. Not survivable without without immediate medical attention.

ITA. Plus, the need to restrain her with zip ties meant she was alive when those restraints were put on. I think JD fought for her life and that just further fueled the outrage of her killer.

JMO